[SOLVED] Good budget build? Need some recommendations/opinions.

[Yellow768]

So my current PC is failing, regular crashes and BSOD's. I'm going to replace the entire build because I cannot determine what is crashing, and have wanted to upgrade for a while. The only thing I am keeping are two hard drives used for storing games and videos (I am replacing my boot drive), and I also am keeping my optical disc drive.

My current specs are:

CPU: AMD FX 8350
GPU: AMD R9 290 Sapphire
MoBo: Asrock 970A-G/3.1
RAM: 8gb(2x4gb) Kingston
PSU: Corsair CX-750m
Hard Drives:
ST3500630NS
WDC WD10EXEZ-00BN5A0
WDC WD2003FZEX-00SRLA0


I have a budget of around 740 USD, I'm looking to buy within the next two weeks. I would like to play games such as the Witcher 3, and Rainbow Six:Siege in 1080p at hopefully 60FPS
The build I am currently looking at is:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 1700 3 GHz 8-Core Processor
MoBo: Gigabyte b450 AORUS M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard
RAM: Team Vulcan 16 GB (2x8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory
SSD: Inland 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (for the OS)
GPU: MSI Radeon Rx 580 8 GB ARMOR OC Video Card

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Yellow768/saved/P6sskL
(I used the Base Total, cause I don't think I'm doing those MIR's)

The current price is around 680 dollars, but I need help figuring out a PSU and Case

Any recommendations for PSU and Case that would fit in my budget? I wouldn't mind modifying the build to accommodate for it, or if anything seems to be an issue to you guys.

 

[adamgrant520]

all of the parts are great choices except for the cpu, that is imo a really bad choice. the ryzen 5 2600 will dominate that thing and yet is also cheaper. another good option is the ryzen 5 3600 but that is slightly more expensive. in terms of cases. i personally use the corsair carbide 275r and i love it, it looks great, cable management is amazing and there is tons of room for fans. for the psu i would go with either a 550w or a 600w corsair vs550 could be a good option

 

[Yellow768]

all of the parts are great choices except for the cpu, that is imo a really bad choice. the ryzen 5 2600 will dominate that thing and yet is also cheaper. another good option is the ryzen 5 3600 but that is slightly more expensive. in terms of cases. i personally use the corsair carbide 275r and i love it, it looks great, cable management is amazing and there is tons of room for fans. for the psu i would go with either a 550w or a 600w corsair vs550 could be a good option

Thanks for the reply! And thanks for your reccomendation on the CPU, looking at benchmarks they seem to be much better than my original choice, I just thought those two extra cores would do me good.

I think I'm leaning towards the Ryzen 5 3600, since while yes its more expensive, it seems to be better than the 2600, and is still like 100 dollars cheaper than my original choice. But, pc part picker warned me about this : "Some AMD B450 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Zen 2 CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions. "

Should I be worried about that?


(side note how are the names for these things decided they really are not intuitive)

 

[adamgrant520]

yes, although the ryzen 3000 series are on the am4 chipset, some of the am4 motherboards will need a driver update to be compatible, i would recommend just finding a board that is compatible out the box as you might get better performance and less hassle.
ps. hahahah, ryzens naming scheme is great compared to Intel. Intel has all these x's and u's and k's and it all doesnt make sense. for ryzen it is simple, there is 3 generations. 1000,2000 and 3000, within each generation there is different cpu's. for 1st gen you have the ryzen 7 1700 and for 2nd you have ryzen 7 2700 and for 3rd gen you have ryzen 7 3700. the same can be said for the ryzen 5's (r5 1600, r5 2600, r5 3600) and so far they have all got progressively better

 

[Yellow768]

Is the Corsair VS reliable? Any other options? Seems every discussion about PSUs is half and half on "good quality" and "will blow up your computer"

 

[ConanLock]

Is the Corsair VS reliable? Any other options? Seems every discussion about PSUs is half and half on "good quality" and "will blow up your computer"

No it is not. Go with Corsair CX/CXM/RXM/TXM. Or Seasonic S12ii/Focus Plus. Or EVGA G1/G2/G3

 

[Yellow768]

Alright, this is what I think I'm going to get:

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hn7fJ8

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450 AORUS M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($73.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Team Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($69.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Inland 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($48.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 580 8 GB ARMOR OC Video Card ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cougar MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg Business)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($83.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $695.74


Any issues here? Looks good?

 

[ConanLock]

The motherboard will need a BIOS update to support Ryzen 3000 (unless the seller can confirm it already has it). In order to do this, you will need an older AM4 CPU. Alternatively, choose one of the MSI motherboards from
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/bvfo57/list_of_b350_b450_x370_and_x470_motherboards_with/

 

[Yellow768]

The motherboard will need a BIOS update to support Ryzen 3000 (unless the seller can confirm it already has it). In order to do this, you will need an older AM4 CPU. Alternatively, choose one of the MSI motherboards from
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/bvfo57/list_of_b350_b450_x370_and_x470_motherboards_with/

Ok, thank you, I switched out the MoBo with a MSI B450M Gaming Plus. That alright?

From my understanding, I still would need to update, but I won't need a cpu to do so?

 

[ConanLock]

Ok, thank you, I switched out the MoBo with a MSI B450M Gaming Plus. That alright?

From my understanding, I still would need to update, but I won't need a cpu to do so?

Correct. Follow the instructions in this video for the steps.

View: https://youtu.be/iTkXunUAriE

 

[g-unit1111]

yes, although the ryzen 3000 series are on the am4 chipset, some of the am4 motherboards will need a driver update to be compatible, i would recommend just finding a board that is compatible out the box as you might get better performance and less hassle.
ps. hahahah, ryzens naming scheme is great compared to Intel. Intel has all these x's and u's and k's and it all doesnt make sense. for ryzen it is simple, there is 3 generations. 1000,2000 and 3000, within each generation there is different cpu's. for 1st gen you have the ryzen 7 1700 and for 2nd you have ryzen 7 2700 and for 3rd gen you have ryzen 7 3700. the same can be said for the ryzen 5's (r5 1600, r5 2600, r5 3600) and so far they have all got progressively better

No, the Ryzen 1700 is still a pretty capable CPU. Could you get better? Yes. But saying that it's a terrible choice is undermining it. That is the same CPU that I have in my home rig currently.

 

[Yellow768]

Okay, thank you guys. I still would like to get the ryzen 5 3600 cause it's cheaperthan the 1700. Is my build ok if I switch out the motherboard?

I'll follow the video when I get the parts ty. Should purchase it by Wednesday

 

[adamgrant520]

No it is not. Go with Corsair CX/CXM/RXM/TXM. Or Seasonic S12ii/Focus Plus. Or EVGA G1/G2/G3

you mentioned it isnt reliable, i politely disagree, it is a great psu for the price, it is near silent. great build quality and the connectors are well built !

 

[adamgrant520]

No, the Ryzen 1700 is still a pretty capable CPU. Could you get better? Yes. But saying that it's a terrible choice is undermining it. That is the same CPU that I have in my home rig currently.

im not saying it is a bad cpu, im just saying for what it is, it is very expensive and that the 2600 will out perform it and is much cheaper. he quite clearly says that he is on a budget, so in this context, yes, the 1700 is a terrible choice, because newer chips are better and cheaper, i didnt mean to say that it was a bad cpu

 

[g-unit1111]

im not saying it is a bad cpu, im just saying for what it is, it is very expensive and that the 2600 will out perform it and is much cheaper. he quite clearly says that he is on a budget, so in this context, yes, the 1700 is a terrible choice, because newer chips are better and cheaper, i didnt mean to say that it was a bad cpu

That's probably Newegg / Amazon minion seller pricing that you're seeing. Which is mainly due to price / demand. Before they got discontinued you could find 1st gen Ryzen 7s for less than $100.

 

[Yellow768]

Okay, but the fact is that right now, the Ryzen 5 3600 seems to outperform the Ryzen 7 1700, and is cheaper.

Now, can I just get a solid confirmation on whether this is now a good build, so I can feel more confident when I spend all the money?

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mzw9sZ

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI B450M GAMING PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($84.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Team Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($69.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Inland 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 580 8 GB ARMOR OC Video Card ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cougar MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg Business)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($83.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $707.74

(Base count is $737.34, the Total is including a promo code that I'm not really sure where to enter?)

 

[ConanLock]

you mentioned it isnt reliable, i politely disagree, it is a great psu for the price, it is near silent. great build quality and the connectors are well built !

The VS series is like an updgraded day-to-day PSU. They are not actually designed for the sustained load of gaming, and this is especially a problem if you are drawing close to their limit. For example, if you had a system that draws 500w, and a PSU rated 550w, the Corsair VS, whether the old green label or the new grey label, will not last that long.
Look at the label. I believe they are only designed to sustain 80% at 30°C. This is the difference between the PSU being 'just good enough' and not at all enough. This issue could to the bad over-current protection, where the PSU allows it's 12v rail to drop slow. Seeming as your CPU and GPU run off 12v, this is not a good idea.
https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/corsair-vs650-psu,review-34829-3.html

 

[Yellow768]

Aiight I'm just gonna assume its alright then. Thanks guys for the reccomendations and input.