Question Good Resonably priced upgrade for Ryzen 2400G?

[Chill7509]

My specs are
Rog Strix B450-F
16 gb ram(soon to be upgraded to 32 gb)
Power Colour Red Dragon Rx580
500W psu
Im looking to just beef it up enough to keep up with gaming and future proof for year or too.

 

[Aeacus]

R5 5600G would be a good upgrade,
comparison: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-2400G-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-5600G/m433194vsm1553183
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sYmmP6/amd-ryzen-5-5600g-39-ghz-6-core-processor-100-100000252box

Note: Make sure that the BIOS version your MoBo has, does support Ryzen 5000 series. If it doesn't, update your BIOS to the latest one.

 

[lordmogul]

OP already has a RX 580 in the system, so unless they have continued need for the iGPU, a 5600, 5600X or 5700 would be more than enough, depending on budget obviously. They all would give quite a bump over the 2400G and are fast enough for the RX 580 to run at it's limit.
I general, pretty much any 6+ core Zen2 or Zen3 chip that the board supports will give positive results. It all comes down to budget. And going for a slightly oversized CPU for the RX 580 leaves the option to upgrade the GPU later as well.

 

[Nighthawk117]

My specs are
Rog Strix B450-F
16 gb ram(soon to be upgraded to 32 gb)
Power Colour Red Dragon Rx580
500W psu
Im looking to just beef it up enough to keep up with gaming and future proof for year or too.

5600X or 5700X would be a big improvement. Either of those should last you a couple of years, I wouldn't have thought you would be wanting to upgrade an 8 core chip soon.

 

[Aeacus]

OP already has a RX 580 in the system

Yes, there is dedicated GPU in the system but what happens when that GPU dies for whatever reason? OP will be stuck without being able to use their PC. Now, with iGPU in the CPU, OP could plug their monitor to MoBo and continue using their PC off iGPU.

In that sense, CPUs with iGPU are far more valuable than plain CPUs, solely for this reason. Most Intel CPUs have iGPU, while on AMD side, it's vice-versa, only few AMD chips have iGPU.

 

[Nighthawk117]

The iGPU is nice but the X CPU's are better.

 

[Aeacus]

The iGPU is nice but the X CPU's are better.

Yeah, and poor AMD's business plan not to include iGPU with most of their chips. On Intel side, you can easily have high-end CPU that comes with iGPU (e.g i9-12900K).
Best on AMD side, anyone could get with iGPU, is R7 5700G.

 

[lordmogul]

So you suggest they should spend extra money on a chip with a graphics part that they most likely never use?

 

[Aeacus]

So you suggest they should spend extra money on a chip with a graphics part that they most likely never use?

No. What i did suggest, is spending less money for a good chip, compared to the X-versions, which will cost more.
Pcpp comparison: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/g94BD3,qtvqqs,sYmmP6,JmhFf7/

 

[logainofhades]

No. What i did suggest, is spending less money for a good chip, compared to the X-versions, which will cost more.
Pcpp comparison: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/g94BD3,qtvqqs,sYmmP6,JmhFf7/

You seem to have forgotten about the non X 5600, that isn't all that much more than a 5600g, and a far better chip.

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/sYmmP6,PgcG3C/

 

[Aeacus]

and a far better chip.

Depending which site you use for CPU comparison, the difference between the two are;
none - https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-amd_ryzen_5_5600g-vs-amd_ryzen_5_5600
mere 5% - https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600G-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-5600/m1553183vsm1822932
or up to 7.5% - https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600G-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-5600/4325vs4811

That is negligible difference and not worth the extra cost of 5600 over 5600G.

For CPU to be worthwhile upgrade, diff between the two should be at least 20% or more, while "far better" would start at 30% better and more.

 

[mdd1963]

As you have a discrete GPU, you have no reason for any more 'G' series CPUs...

I'd just get a 5600X (or 5800X if on sale!), and be content (at least CPU-wise) for 3 years...

The RX580 is, at some point, certainly going to need an update! (As will my poor GTX1060!)

 

[Aeacus]

As you have a discrete GPU, you have no reason for any more 'G' series CPUs...

And what would OP do, when their current dedicated GPU happens to die? Or when new GPU comes DOA?

Like i said above:

OP will be stuck without being able to use their PC. Now, with iGPU in the CPU, OP could plug their monitor to MoBo and continue using their PC off iGPU.

In that sense, CPUs with iGPU are far more valuable than plain CPUs, solely for this reason.

Yes, iGPU isn't used when having dedicated GPU. But when you do need it, iGPU is a godsend.

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In the end, it's up to OP to decide which CPU to go for and i don't see why many here are so against iGPU. IMHO, iGPU is really great redundancy.

 

[Chill7509]

Ok cool. Thanks everyone. Really appreciate how helpful snd fast you all were with your answers.

 

[logainofhades]

Depending which site you use for CPU comparison, the difference between the two are;
none - https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-amd_ryzen_5_5600g-vs-amd_ryzen_5_5600
mere 5% - https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600G-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-5600/m1553183vsm1822932
or up to 7.5% - https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600G-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-5600/4325vs4811

That is negligible difference and not worth the extra cost of 5600 over 5600G.

For CPU to be worthwhile upgrade, diff between the two should be at least 20% or more, while "far better" would start at 30% better and more.

The 5600 vs the 5600x is basically 0, making the non x the better choice.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifI9nnmW5sg&t=412s


The 5600g can be considerably slower, than the 5600x, in more cpu heavy titles. The reduced cache can be detrimental to performance, much in the same way the huge cache, of the 5800x can bring big gains, in games. A 5600 non G is going to hold up better, as games get more and more CPU demanding.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KycNI1FxIPc&t=1388s


With only about an $11 difference between the two, getting the 5600g is a terrible idea, when you have a dedicated GPU. It's not a terrible CPU, but it has a niche use case, now that GPU pricing, and availability is much improved.

 

[Aeacus]

The 5600g can be considerably slower, than the 5600x, in more cpu heavy titles. The reduced cache can be detrimental to performance, much in the same way the huge cache, of the 5800x can bring big gains, in games. A 5600 non G is going to hold up better, as games get more and more CPU demanding.

Fair enough.

With only about an $11 difference between the two, getting the 5600g is a terrible idea, when you have a dedicated GPU. It's not a terrible CPU, but it has a niche use case, now that GPU pricing, and availability is much improved.

How about the redundancy aspect of 5600G? Is it something completely irrelevant, far outweighed by the (small) performance gain of non-G CPU?

In a similar aspect, why buy expensive and good quality PSU, when cheap and low quality PSU can also work? (E.g Corsair VS-series + RTX 3070 vs Corsair AXi-series + RTX 3060.) Essentially trading redundancy for performance.

 

[logainofhades]

That analogy makes 0 sense. We are talking two CPU's, very close in price, with the slightly more expensive one being a better long term choice. Games are only going to get more and more CPU demanding. You shouldn't just buy for today. Paying a little more up front, means the longer you can go without spending more money to upgrade later.

If you want to use a PSU analogy, the 5600 vs the 5600g would be the equivalent of comparing an EVGA G6 and a P6, which Evga has been selling for the same basic price. The P6 is better, and close enough in price, that buying the G6 doesn't really make much financial sense.