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Been offered a place on a syndicate which covers 2000 acres of mixed
woodland & open ground with red, roe and sitka deer. Unlimited access, all
kills to the rifle. What kind of price would you expect to pay per annum?

Dave
 
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"Dave P" <davepnojunk@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2q5q6aFri79aU1@uni-berlin.de:

> Been offered a place on a syndicate which covers 2000 acres of mixed
> woodland & open ground with red, roe and sitka deer. Unlimited
> access, all kills to the rifle. What kind of price would you expect
> to pay per annum?

How many stalkers are there?
What was last years cull numbers?
Have you seen last years cull records?
Are you expected to correctly cull or are you out there as a slayer? (in
other words are you going to manage the deer with-in a management plan or
are you just going to stalk the deer and shoot an appropriate (hopefully)
beast?)

You have obviously been told a price but you must have your concerns
(hence your post), what is your concerns?

I pay anything from £70 to £2000 for stalking rights but before I go and
pay my money, I need to see evidence of deer activity and speak to the
landowner.
For me it’s all about management and not slaying, I can rent a days
slaying for £5 which will give me as many deer as I shoot, that’s trophies
inc.
One of the down sides to stalking is that generally speaking if you have
to share the stalking, you can bet your last £ that someone else will mess
things up in one way or another. For example a friend of mine joined a
syndicate last year (500 acres of prime fallow stalking), June of this
year he found a shot doe, laying next to her was her kid (all knew which
member it was but he was the originator of the syndicate). That would be
the end for me, I would likely be arrested and sentence for several
charges of GBH. So my advice is if you don’t know the chaps involved,
think about leasing your own patch. Surprisingly it’s not that expensive
and of course you’ll have the opportunity to manage any resident deer. The
woodland trust tenders woodland for stalking and generally speaking deals
can be struck. The FC will also tender but they can cost upwards of
£000’s. It’s also worth remembering that if you’re only out there to slay
for meat then 50 acres of prime land is better than 3000 acres of sparse
land.
I’m not sure if I’ve been of any help but that’s my 2p’s worth.
One last point, before you spend thy money make sure there are deer
present, I’ve been to land where you would bet a weeks wage there would be
deer, I’ve even spoken to the land owner who has confirmed masses of deer
but the only tracks and jumps I could find were sheep. I was later told
that this landowner had conned another chap the year previous and at £500
for 400 acres it would have been a very costly mistake.

John
 
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> I'm not sure if I've been of any help but that's my 2p's worth.
> One last point, before you spend thy money make sure there are deer
> present, I've been to land where you would bet a weeks wage there would be
> deer, I've even spoken to the land owner who has confirmed masses of deer
> but the only tracks and jumps I could find were sheep. I was later told
> that this landowner had conned another chap the year previous and at £500
> for 400 acres it would have been a very costly mistake.
>
> John

Thanks for your 2p worth! I am a complete novice and so am looking for a way
into the sport. The syndicate offers me that by providing ground to shoot,
so I can get my FAC, and the support of other syndicate members to acquire
the skills. A lot of syndicates require the level 1 dmq, something I couldnt
get without gaining some shooting experience.

I am in the west of Scotland and so any tips on how as a beginner I can
begin to build the knowledge and the skills required to enjoy the sport
safely would be appreciated.

Dave
 
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"Dave P" <davepnojunk@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2q6gr9Fs7qf4U1@uni-berlin.de:

> Thanks for your 2p worth! I am a complete novice and so am looking
> for a way into the sport. The syndicate offers me that by providing
> ground to shoot, so I can get my FAC, and the support of other
> syndicate members to acquire the skills.

If you want my advice and its honest advice. You’ll start by finding
some vermin shooting (fox, crow & rabbit) and learn the basic skills of
stalking.
After a year or so, then look at stalking.
There is more to deer stalking than just shooting deer, much more and
it’s only with time and experience found else where that you’ll
appreciate and understand what I’m saying. There is nothing wrong with
saying “in three years I’m going to start stalking deer” but do think
about starting at what I would consider the beginning.


>A lot of syndicates require
> the level 1 dmq, something I couldnt get without gaining some
> shooting experience.

You need experience of rifle shooting more than experience of shooting
deer. Any fool can shoot a deer but to find the right deer to shoot is
where skill is called for.
The DSC1 is an excellent grounding for you but again, you really need
experience of rifle shooting and build up to the DSC1.

>
> I am in the west of Scotland and so any tips on how as a beginner I
> can begin to build the knowledge and the skills required to enjoy the
> sport safely would be appreciated.

First apply for a .22rf or even a .22cf, spend a few years learning the
ropes. In that time, spend as much of it watching deer and understanding
them. You’ll learn more with a pair of binoculars than with any rifle
known to man.
When you feel confident go and seek some advice and information about
passing the DSC1 test, do it and pass it and you’ll be on your way.
The DSC1 doesn’t really give you any skills but it will make you more
aware.

John
 
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> When you feel confident go and seek some advice and information about
> passing the DSC1 test, do it and pass it and you'll be on your way.
> The DSC1 doesn't really give you any skills but it will make you more
> aware.
>
> John

thanks John. I appreciate the advice and can see the sense in it.

Dave
 
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"Dave P" <davepnojunk@hotmail.com> wrote in news:2q7uk2Fs1broU1@uni-
berlin.de:

> <snip>
>
>> When you feel confident go and seek some advice and information about
>> passing the DSC1 test, do it and pass it and you'll be on your way.
>> The DSC1 doesn't really give you any skills but it will make you more
>> aware.
>>
>> John
>
> thanks John. I appreciate the advice and can see the sense in it.

Dave, one last thing. If your are intent on joining a syndicate, I know
a chap who owns a very large syndicate and I think the yearly cost is in
the area of £350 but that’s for 1000’s of acres, I will put you in touch
if that’s the way you want to go but I think it’s the wrong way to start
out.
If you do book a place on a DSC1 course, give me an email and I’ll lend
you all the stuff you will need to pass.

John