Question Upgrading from a Ryzen 7 5800X ?

[Bo Lee]

i have a Ryzen 7 5800X which is regarded as a premier gaming CPU, but i am wanting to make this PC last a long time. so would a Ryzen 7 5700X3D be considered a good upgrade? I know the X3D CPU's large l3 cache is good for gaming but a 5900X isn't much more and itself boasts a massive 64MB l4 cache. I'm curious which would likely have the greatest gaming benefit.

I am feeling the 590Xx is the better deal for the money but wanted some opinions up front.
apologies for the caps originally. i had a stroke recently and my left digits droop and my pinky keeps hitting the caps lock. if you ever see my post in all caps, i am not yelling at you, it is accidental.

 

[Lutfij]

Actually, the X3D range of processors from the AM4 platform were regarded as the best CPU to get for gaming. On a side note, if you had a tight latencied ram kit, you'd eke out some more performance out of your Ryzen platform.

i am wanrting to make thid pc last a long time
I noticed you have info in your sig space. Please find it in your heart to pass on the specs to your build in the thread's body as sig space specs cana nd will change over time. When that happens this thread and it's relevant suggestions will be rendered moot to the end user in the same boat as you're in now.

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i know the x3d cpus largfe l3 cashe are goof for gaming, but a 5900x isn't much more
To add, where are you located and how much have you set aside for your processor purchase? What sort of tasks(listing app's/games without using an etc) will you be taxing the system with?

 

[Misgar]

Apart from the extra 64MB of L3 cache which is good for games, the 5700X3D has lower specs (base clock 3.0GHz, boost clock 4.1GHz) versus your existing 5800X (base clock 3.8GHz, boost clock 4.7GHz).
https://technical.city/en/cpu/Ryzen-7-5800X-vs-Ryzen-7-5700X3D#characteristics

The 5900X has 12-cores versus the 5800X with 8-cores, but unless you run multi-threaded programs such as Handbrake, Adobe Premiere Pro, etc., you probably won't gain much from switching to a different processor.

If your main interest is gaming, I'd consider putting the money into a new (faster) GPU.

If your main interest is highly threaded apps, consider a 16-core 5950X instead.

I'm running a 3800X in one rig and a 7950X in another. The 7950X is much faster in Handbrake video coding, where the extra cores make a big difference.

By the looks of it, you're running two different brands of memory:

"4 X 32GB 3 X SK Hynix 32GB DESKTOP PC4-3200AA MICRON PC4-2666V DDR4"

Am I correct in thinking you've got 3 Hynix 3200MT/s DIMMs and 1 Micron 2666MT/s DIMM? This is not an ideal combination for several reasons. One pair of DIMMs will be totally mismatched.

I recommend replacing the slower Micron DIMM with a faster Hynix DIMM (preferably exactly the same part number as the other 3 DIMMs). It still won't constitute a "matched" set of 4 DIMMs, but it's better than your current setup.

If you end up with four (seemingly) identical Hynix DIMMs, you might be able to increase the XMP speed, but with 4 DIMMs instead of 2, system stability may suffer if you push XMP too high. You can use MemTest86 to check RAM stability. Things can get tricky overclocking 128GB (4x32GB).

What speed are you running the memory at, e.g. 2133MT/s, 2666MT/s, 3000MT/s, 3200MT/s?

As @Lutfij says, a brand new tight latency memory kit would speed things up, but buying 4 x 32GB might be a bit more than you're prepared to pay. You'd probably notice the difference with faster RAM in games, but less so in some other apps.

Best of luck with whatever you choose to upgrade.

 

[Bo Lee]

Actually, the X3D range of processors from the AM4 platform were regarded as the best CPU to get for gaming. On a side note, if you had a tight latencied ram kit, you'd eke out some more performance out of your Ryzen platform.

i am wanrting to make thid pc last a long time
I noticed you have info in your sig space. Please find it in your heart to pass on the specs to your build in the thread's body as sig space specs cana nd will change over time. When that happens this thread and it's relevant suggestions will be rendered moot to the end user in the same boat as you're in now.

Please list the specs to your build like so:
CPU:
CPU cooler:
Motherboard:
Ram:
SSD/HDD:
GPU:
PSU:
Chassis:
OS:
Monitor:
include the age of the PSU apart from it's make and model. BIOS version for your motherboard at this moment of time.

i know the x3d cpus largfe l3 cashe are goof for gaming, but a 5900x isn't much more
To add, where are you located and how much have you set aside for your processor purchase? What sort of tasks(listing app's/games without using an etc) will you be taxing the system with?

Actually, the X3D range of processors from the AM4 platform were regarded as the best CPU to get for gaming. On a side note, if you had a tight latencied ram kit, you'd eke out some more performance out of your Ryzen platform.

i am wanrting to make thid pc last a long time
I noticed you have info in your sig space. Please find it in your heart to pass on the specs to your build in the thread's body as sig space specs cana nd will change over time. When that happens this thread and it's relevant suggestions will be rendered moot to the end user in the same boat as you're in now.

Please list the specs to your build like so:
CPU:
CPU cooler:
Motherboard:
Ram:
SSD/HDD:
GPU:
PSU:
Chassis:
OS:
Monitor:
include the age of the PSU apart from it's make and model. BIOS version for your motherboard at this moment of time.

i know the x3d cpus largfe l3 cashe are goof for gaming, but a 5900x isn't much more
To add, where are you located and how much have you set aside for your processor purchase? What sort of tasks(listing app's/games without using an etc) will you be taxing the system with?

benchmasrks suggest the 5900c wins. \Th X3dsare considered goofdcfor gaming because of the L3 cache. The 54900X has the same L3 cache level
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/AMD-Ryzen-9-5900X/Rating/4087

Apart from the extra 64MB of L3 cache which is good for games, the 5700X3D has lower specs (base clock 3.0GHz, boost clock 4.1GHz) versus your existing 5800X (base clock 3.8GHz, boost clock 4.7GHz).
https://technical.city/en/cpu/Ryzen-7-5800X-vs-Ryzen-7-5700X3D#characteristics

The 5900X has 12-cores versus the 5800X with 8-cores, but unless you run multi-threaded programs such as Handbrake, Adobe Premiere Pro, etc., you probably won't gain much from switching to a different processor.

If your main interest is gaming, I'd consider putting the money into a new (faster) GPU.

If your main interest is highly threaded apps, consider a 16-core 5950X instead.

I'm running a 3800X in one rig and a 7950X in another. The 7950X is much faster in Handbrake video coding, where the extra cores make a big difference.

By the looks of it, you're running two different brands of memory:

"4 X 32GB 3 X SK Hynix 32GB DESKTOP PC4-3200AA MICRON PC4-2666V DDR4"

Am I correct in thinking you've got 3 Hynix 3200MT/s DIMMs and 1 Micron 2666MT/s DIMM? This is not an ideal combination for several reasons. One pair of DIMMs will be totally mismatched.

I recommend replacing the slower Micron DIMM with a faster Hynix DIMM (preferably exactly the same part number as the other 3 DIMMs). It still won't constitute a "matched" set of 4 DIMMs, but it's better than your current setup.

If you end up with four (seemingly) identical Hynix DIMMs, you might be able to increase the XMP speed, but with 4 DIMMs instead of 2, system stability may suffer if you push XMP too high. You can use MemTest86 to check RAM stability. Things can get tricky overclocking 128GB (4x32GB).

What speed are you running the memory at, e.g. 2133MT/s, 2666MT/s, 3000MT/s, 3200MT/s?

As @Lutfij says, a brand new tight latency memory kit would speed things up, but buying 4 x 32GB might be a bit more than you're prepared to pay. You'd probably notice the difference with faster RAM in games, but less so in some other apps.

Best of luck with whatever you choose to upgrade.

no, the memory te ram listed is not correct. i have 4 32gb ssr3-1600 Hynix sticks. still not ideal, but i goit 128gb of it for 30 bucks,. i originallythought i was getting that ram mix and cxiopt and pasted it but ended up not getting it because the set waso poorly mixmatched. i originally saw the 4 x 32 ansd did't vatch the test. wheni questiuoned the seller he said they were actyually all 4gb sticks so i canvelled the order

Another link where benchmasrks hasve thge 6900x winning. https://technical.city/en/cpu/Ryzen-9-5900X-vs-Ryzen-7-5700X3D#gaming
thius all reminds me of when people told mtr the amd fx 8450 was horrible for games, but i never had a game it couldn't play

 

[Bo Lee]

a new faster gpu is oiutside of my bufget constraints. Thae B580 is a pretty good gaming gpu, especially when paied with hight Ryzen CPUs. but i am not ready rto plunk down over 500 for a better GPU

 

[CelicaGT]

benchmasrks suggest the 5900c wins. \Th X3dsare considered goofdcfor gaming because of the L3 cache. The 54900X has the same L3 cache level
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/AMD-Ryzen-9-5900X/Rating/4087

no, the memory te ram listed is not correct. i have 4 32gb ssr3-1600 Hynix sticks. still not ideal, but i goit 128gb of it for 30 bucks,. i originallythought i was getting that ram mix and cxiopt and pasted it but ended up not getting it because the set waso poorly mixmatched. i originally saw the 4 x 32 ansd did't vatch the test. wheni questiuoned the seller he said they were actyually all 4gb sticks so i canvelled the order

Another link where benchmasrks hasve thge 6900x winning. https://technical.city/en/cpu/Ryzen-9-5900X-vs-Ryzen-7-5700X3D#gaming
thius all reminds me of when people told mtr the amd fx 8450 was horrible for games, but i never had a game it couldn't play

Do not use those aggregate comparison websites, and especially not Userbenchmark. They're just ad revenue machines and give no useful information and in the case of Userbenchmark it has open and ongoing brand bias.

The 5700X3D generally gives the 5900X a solid walloping in most gaming applications. There's lots of good, reputable reviews in print media, and on Youtube for your pleasure. Look for the ones that feature games you actually play. One caveat (aside from the lower productivity scores) with all the X3D processors is that not all games benefit as much, or at all from the additional cache. It will depend on what you play.

On the topic of memory, listen to what the others said. Zen 3 can get some rather largeish gaming performance uplift from 3600MT DDR 4 with good tight timings. X3D is less responsive, as the stacked cache fills that need.

 

[Misgar]

If you try your hand at video editing, some programs gain very little from faster RAM on AMD CPUs.

As an example, here's DaVinci Resolve running Puget's benchmark on DDR5:-
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...-on-content-creation-performance-2023-update/

The difference between DDR5 running at 4400MT/s and 6000MT/s in Resolve on AMD (blue lines) is minimal. Admittedly this is a very specific case, but it shows a few programs don't benefit much from XMP overclocking.

Some apps require lots of RAM (4K+ video editing) as opposed to outright speed and your 128GB system RAM beats my 64GB in terms of capacity. You're less likely to run out of system RAM than I am. I'm ignoring the benefit of more VRAM on the GPU in this calculation.

If your main interest is gaming, are your current FPS scores acceptable? If games run OK, do you really need to upgrade your RAM to achieve FPS scores up in the hundreds? It's a cost/benefit ratio only you can decide.

Probably best to spend your money the 5700X3D and enjoy the speed boost in games.

 

[Kona45primo]

Wait until you can afford AM5

 

[geofelt]

"future proofing" is a futile endeavor.
New and better price/performing products are constantly being introduced.

Best to buy what you need today, today.

 

[COLGeek]

i have a Ryzen 7 5800X which is regarded as a premier gaming CPU, but i am wanting to make this PC last a long time. so would a Ryzen 7 5700X3D be considered a good upgrade? I know the X3D CPU's large l3 cache is good for gaming but a 5900X isn't much more and itself boasts a massive 64MB l4 cache. I'm curious which would likely have the greatest gaming benefit.

I am feeling the 590Xx is the better deal for the money but wanted some opinions up front.
apologies for the caps originally. i had a stroke recently and my left digits droop and my pinky keeps hitting the caps lock. if you ever see my post in all caps, i am not yelling at you, it is accidental.

I would not recommend changing CPUs in your case. Changing CPUs will only provide marginal gains, if any, depending on the applications/games being used.

Save your money for a future platform upgrade. Your 5800X should be fine for most current uses and for a couple years to come.

 

[Bo Lee]

the 5800-x works well and is a good gaming cpu. but doubl;ing the l3 cache will have to make for better gaming. it is why thew x3ds are so highly redarded for gaming. aggregate benchmarksw have it beting the 5800z bt 16% ion average and a 20% lower tdp, whuich will make it easier to cool under load. which is a majoy plus for nme as the aurora r14 case is niotiorious abioy bad airflow an thermals. it may not be as much an im,provement as say a 5950X which i looked harc at with its96mb l3 cache, but that thing ruins very hot and i would have had to upgrade mt aio cooler also. so i am going to get some improvement without having to overhall cool system too mnuch. i hsave addedf a couple extra xase fans already. some agregate benchmark sites gas the 5900x betuibng the 7800x by 40% poerformance, https://technical.city/en/cpu/Ryzen-7-5800X-vs-Ryzen-9-5900X take that for whast you will, often benchmarks can be skewed niot to mrntion the 5900x has better memory bandwidth, nmakin the ram a little nore effective and i am gettig 128gb if trident z ram, so that should help out a lot improving gaming performance. this site hass gaming benchmarks anmd the 5900x consistentlky cvomes out ahead. https://hardwarecanucks.com/cpu-mot...00x-ryzen-9-5900x-benchmarks-review/#platform

 

[QyInvoLing]

the 5800-x works well and is a good gaming cpu. but doubl;ing the l3 cache will have to make for better gaming. it is why thew x3ds are so highly redarded for gaming. aggregate benchmarksw have it beting the 5800z bt 16% ion average and a 20% lower tdp, whuich will make it easier to cool under load. which is a majoy plus for nme as the aurora r14 case is niotiorious abioy bad airflow an thermals. it may not be as much an im,provement as say a 5950X which i looked harc at with its96mb l3 cache, but that thing ruins very hot and i would have had to upgrade mt aio cooler also. so i am going to get some improvement without having to overhall cool system too mnuch. i hsave addedf a couple extra xase fans already. some agregate benchmark sites gas the 5900x betuibng the 7800x by 40% poerformance, https://technical.city/en/cpu/Ryzen-7-5800X-vs-Ryzen-9-5900X take that for whast you will, often benchmarks can be skewed niot to mrntion the 5900x has better memory bandwidth, nmakin the ram a little nore effective and i am gettig 128gb if trident z ram, so that should help out a lot improving gaming performance. this site hass gaming benchmarks anmd the 5900x consistentlky cvomes out ahead. https://hardwarecanucks.com/cpu-mot...00x-ryzen-9-5900x-benchmarks-review/#platform

If you want to aiming at gaming, then you should know that ALL Ryzen 9 CPUs have two CCDs, and when gaming, you should only use one. 5900X's 12 cores and 64M L3 cache is distributed half by half on the two CCDs, it's a 5600x(6 cores, 32M L3) with higher freq when gaming.

 

[Bo Lee]

"future proofing" is a futile endeavor.
New and better price/performing products are constantly being introduced.

Best to buy what you need today, today.

i do agree that there will always be something newer and better and eventually more cost effective. but i yhink of future proofing as having something that will still be getting the job done 6,7 or 8 years down the road. my lasdt pc had a xeon x3 server cpu in it but a good gpu and ram and could styill plasy ant current games with no issues

 

[logainofhades]

Wait till you can get AM5. Given the GPU, a 5700x3d may be a side-grade at best, unless you are playing something that is very CPU dependent, and can take advantage of that cache.

 

[Bo Lee]

goty the ryzen 9 5900x in and installed, nero benchmark gave me a rating nearly 5000 and saig my test was better than 65% of others who used the suite, toinorrow i will be gettinbg 128gb trident z NEO ram> Looking forwasrd to getting that in and runnung

 

[QyInvoLing]

Now you downgraded your gaming PC's CPU from 8-cores Zen3 to 6-cores Zen3. It will not last longer.

 

[COLGeek]

More memory will not make faster in benchmarks, maybe slower.

 

[beyondlogic]

Now you downgraded your gaming PC's CPU from 8-cores Zen3 to 6-cores Zen3. It will not last longer.

youll have to explain that one also i find the 12 core cpus are by far better for newer games i have less stutter in Hogwarts legacy as a example and intensive cpu bound games do work better. framerate isnt everything if its not smooth.

my performance stayed the same in benchmarks 5700x vs 5900x but what did change was lack of stutter in most games.

 

[Bo Lee]

O MY RYN 9 5900 in an instled. nero bench gave me a score neasrly 5000 and said i besat 65% of users who testested with their suite. played cyberpunk 2077 a bit and was getting fps in the 90s. tomorrow i am getting 128gb of trident z neo xmp ddr4 cl;16 3200. will be interesting to see the improvement with that.

 

[QyInvoLing]

Installing 4 mems is not an improvement. Gaming tasks don't need so much memory size, instead they need more frequency and lower timing.
You'll easily get beaten by 3600c14 16Gx2.

Meanwhile, if you installed AMD chipset driver and set CPPC to driver, you'll notice that you can only use 6 cores in the CCD0 when gaming, and the other 6 cores in CCD1 is parking. If you haven't installed AMD chipset driver and CPPC, you'll found that the performance is even worse than 5600 as threads are distributed in different CCDs which increases the communication delay and siginificantly decrease the gaming performance.