Graphic card for new PC

lux3d3

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Dear all,
I am currently trying to build a PC together and actually got my hands on a ASUS GTX1070 TI Aero. However, it turns out the vendor screwed me over so I will need a new one.
Currently I am at this build:
AMD Ryzen5 1600x
Gskill 3200 MHz 8 gb x2
some ITX mainboard (I want a small PC), not decided yet. Something small and not too expensive, probably Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac or so...
I thought the Aero would be a good choice as it might be better in a small case in terms of temperature. However since that offer is off the table I need an (not too expensive) alternative.

So I am looking for a graphic card for gaming (World of Warcraft, Witcher, Total War, PUBG) and the usual office work. I love gaming but do not have the time to play 24/7 therefore I do not need the "hardcore choice" but still want something to enjoy good graphics.
Generally I do not want to spend much more than +/- 60000 Yen (around 450 Euro, 540 USD, 400 GBP) . As you can guess, I am living in Japan so I am asking you to consider www.kakaku.com for price avaliability.

I hope you can help me. Thank you in advance

Robert
 
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ddferrari

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Before making any accurate recommendations, we would need to know what resolution and refresh rate your monitor is. That is the deciding factor for buying a graphics card. 60Hz 1080p versus 120Hz 1440p, for example, require very different cards.
 

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the site has a very good search engine. i created a search list for you to meet your requirements. get at least the GTX1070. its the best card close to 6万円.
http:// kakaku.com/specsearch/0550/?st=2&_s=2&TxtPrice=60000&Sort=price_desc&DispSaleDate=on&

here is a list of 1070s. you might want to get the last one since its a blower type. i dont know what type of chassis you have. but its usually the recommended type for really small cases.
http://kakaku.com/item/K0000884357/
http://kakaku.com/item/K0000888076/
http://kakaku.com/item/K0001009808/
http://kakaku.com/item/K0000899295/

NOTE tomshardware is not supporting links from kakaku. you will need to copy the link address and manually copy paste it on a new window to view the link
 

lux3d3

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Wow thank you all for so many replies in such a short time!
I'll have a look at the links once I get back home!

I'm just running an ordinary 27" 1080p 60Hz monitor called Acer KA270HAbmidx.

Just a general question: is there an actual big difference between the different versions of a certain graphic card? Between companies and standard/oc/ti I don't really find anything that says "this is generally better" I'd just assume that for example the "gaming" labeled cards have a better ventilation?
 

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A regular 1060 (non-Ti) is very adequate for almost all games at 1080p. It averages 82.7 fps across 16 games:
http://www.pcgamer.com/geforce-gtx-1060-review/

I'd only consider a GTX 1070 if you're thinking of moving up to a 1440p at some point.

The Ti version of an Nvidia card is really a different model wedged in between to existing models. They can sometimes offer a 30% performance gain, like the 1080 Ti vs the 1080 (whereas an oc'd card might yield a 10% improvement). The reason to go with aftermarket cards, as opposed to reference cards is that they almost always have better cooling, a little better performance (~5%-10%) and often cost the same. Warranties vary as well.

The cooler the card runs, the better; they're quieter, more efficient, and may last longer -as heat wears out electronics.
 

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gtx 1060 6gb for 1080p 60hz


your cpu is not good enough to go higher unless you get a higher resolution monitor

a gtx 1070 ti would be great for a 1440p monitor, do not get higher refresh rate ones, again your cpu is not very good for that either



also lower end motherboards tend to have crap VRM's get a decent 350 mobo at the very least


a 1600x is not worth the price premium over a 1600 either





World of Warcraft, Witcher, Total War, PUBG

you REALLY want to go intel for those games specifically, i5 8400 setup to be precise
 

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at this point I just can not afford to buy a 2/4k Monitor but I might be upgrading in the future. However, I learned from my old PC that it is really hard to reach CPU limit....
The difference between 1600 and 1600x is just around 15 Euro here :) I chose the ryzen because it seems to be more future orientated in terms of cores/threats and MHz.
I read an article saying I could overclock a TI to 1080 level... I just wonder if it is worth to invest in the more expensive TI?
Also let me define my question about the OC/TI/etc.:
I am wondering if for example this card http://kakaku.com/item/K0001009808/ is better than http://kakaku.com/item/K0000884357/ even the price is (almost) the same.
Yes, I am aware of the Temperature. That is why I am wondering which graphic card would be best to fit in a small case. I am sorry but I just feel a bit like you are partially listing all the graphic cards around 60k. But I am wondering which one would be the *best* choice
 

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the i5 8400 is better now and in perpetuity
especially in gaming

and has a better upgrade path

the ryzen is a budgetary compromise, only really worth doing if the price between it and the i5 8400 is huge
 

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Okay, so did you mean you had your hands on an MSI Aero?? I can't find an Asus model with "Aero" in the name. Either way, yes I think a 1070 Ti will serve you well for several years, and give you a great 2K option down the road.

The MSI Armor looks like a nice choice. It's somewhat above your quoted budget at ¥64,584, but needing a smaller card for a smaller case limits your options. It uses a 6 pin + 8 pin power connector- versus the standard 8 pin only on the reference models, so it should OC better if you go that route. It's only 1/2" longer, so still pretty small.

http://kakaku.com/item/K0001010818/?lid=ksearch_kakakuitem_image

Here's a review on Kotaku (not to be confused with Kakaku). I'm not sure why he's saying it's "solid but not exciting", as after an OC it was meeting/beating the 1080. With 25% more CUDA cores than a regular 1070, it's certainly more powerful.

https://kotaku.com/msi-geforce-gtx-1070-ti-review-solid-if-not-exciting-1820112534

While I normally dislike the reference styled cards (single fan) because of their mediocre cooling and loud noise in full sized cases, some people swear they're the way to go in a smaller case- as they exhaust the air out through the back. Aftermarket cards like the MSI I linked to exhaust inside the case.

So while the rear blowers keep the entire inside of a small case cooler, the aftermarket styles keep the card itself cooler, even in a warmer case. Since a GPU benefits the most out of any of your components by staying cool (as they will throttle back performance at high temps) I would still go the aftermarket route, personally. Your drives and CPU really don't mind higher ambient temps.



 

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Sorry for the late reply. It turned out my exams were a week earlier than expected...
Yes, I meant the msi aero.
Yes, my idea also was that these single fan blow out the back cards would be suitable. However, I am still not sure about the case and Mainboard. I want to go as small as possible but performance is the limiting factor. So I'll adjust the case accordingly. Right now I'm really favouring this
https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/aw/d/B00HFRTF5W/ref=mp_s_a_1_47?ie=UTF8&qid=1516945720&sr=8-47&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=pc+%E3%82%B1%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9+itx i think it'd be big enough for any card.
But seriously it's really hard to decide.

But you didn't answer my question from before. Comparing the msi armor with the ti. Which one would be better? I want to find a reasonable solution. I don't want to think "if I'd have spent 5000yen/ 50usd more I could have a much bettee card"
There are 1070 for 55000 to 80000+ and 1070 ti from 60000 so is the ti generally better? Or is a ti for say 60k similar to an oc for the same price?
Sorry I can't explain it better ...
 

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that case is nice, just be aware that the max length for the gpu is 290mm


the slowest 1070 ti is still faster than the best 1070 regardless of price


once overclocked a bit the 1070 ti hits gtx 1080 speeds. so at those prices it is a slam dunk
 
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