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What are predicting for this generation?

  • Both companies will sell pretty equal.

    Votes: 4 5.7%

  • ATI will sell slightly better.

    Votes: 10 14.3%

  • Nvidia will sell slightly better.

    Votes: 4 5.7%

  • ATI will dominate.

    Votes: 24 34.3%

  • Nvidia will dominate.

    Votes: 3 4.3%

  • None of the above.

    Votes: 1 1.4%

  • I don't know yet, must wait for benchmarks.

    Votes: 24 34.3%
  • Total voters
    70
I need benchmarks. However if they are close in performance, then I think it will go to ATI simply do to pricing. People are upgrading OS, motherboards ram CPU's and many other things right now due to low prices or a CPU upgrade that needs a new socket and RAM.

A high end cheap card is what the market wants, so if Nvidia isn't CLEARLY better, cut and dry, I think ATI has a chance at winning this gen.

Only time will tell though.
 


I was pretty much thinking the same thing.
 
If nVidia wants to prevent ATI from dominating this round, theyll need chips, and I dont see any.
It appears nVidia will only have 1 or 2 DX11 cards out for a good portion of a year to come, the rest will be DX10, or gasp, DX10.1 G200 renamed cards.
Im pretty sure people will take the DX11 cards this time, since its NOT DX10.1, and go with what nVidias been saying all along, DX10.1? We dont need no stinkin DX10.1!!!
So, tht means, if you want mainstream DX11, its ATI all the way
 



What is the story with Nvidia's mid range?


We've heard a little about GT300... the massive GPU for the high-end.




Are they intending crippling it right down to the mid range? That is a lot of die space for a mid-range part!!
 
It appears nVidia will only have 1 or 2 DX11 cards out for a good portion of a year to come, the rest will be DX10, or gasp, DX10.1 G200 renamed cards.
Im pretty sure people will take the DX11 cards this time, since its NOT DX10.1, and go with what nVidias been saying all along, DX10.1? We dont need no stinkin DX10.1!!!
So, tht means, if you want mainstream DX11, its ATI all the way
^^ read the rest
 


sorry dude,

nvidia says that dx11 is not an important milestone, nvidia says they are confident their next gen cards do not have to fear the 5870, but to me its all a bunch a blarney.

if a single gpu beats their prev gen dual gpu, they dont stand a chance, its like someones holding a gun to ur head, ur unarmed yet ur saying "Im warning you, if you murder me ill kill you."
 

It seems that way from what we know, BUT I doubt nVidia would be so stupid to repeat the same mistake, they burned with G200 and midrange already. I think they'll have DX11 mid-low level cards sooner than we think. If not - they are even more stupid than I give them credit for 😉
 


that is if they can shrink it for the mid-low segment, remember they didn't do that for the G200 (or G200b) core
even the laptop mobility GTX280 is just a G92 part (aka 9800GTX)

so if they couldn't shrink the G200 i don't see them shrinking their larger (more then likely) G300 core
for mid-low we might see another G92 renaming, or if lucky a shrunk G200 part (i doubt)
 

If their only method is shrinking, its would be the same mistake as before, i.e. they would be pretty dumb. IMO they'll use different DX11 gpu lines this time, one for the high-end, another for mid, and one for the low-end. More variations from those, but 3 main lines to branch from.
 


they could try selling us the gtx 275 for ~150$ and call it gts 350
 
I worry a little for NVidia, CUDA type hardware may become important in the near future...

But how big a market base is there really for hardware just for this, it seems to me to be too early to redirect their whole gameplan towards this!?

My money is firmly with ATi on this round.
 
Is AMD really making a comeback?

Their CPUs are better bang for the buck cauz CPU doesnt matter in games except GTA IV i think.

IMO i prefer AMD cpus over intel, just purely due to price and id love to get a intel CPU, but its 2 expensive. I7 + mobo plus ram is 600, but amd is 350 which has similar performance.

Nvidia has put alot of its engineers working on tegra because it believes that tegra is going to be 60 or 70% of nvidias income, so maybe they are loosing the GPU market.

U gotta admit that tegra is simply amazing
 
Keep in mind Nvidia has a pretty huge advantage in market share and has for a while. There are TONS of people that wont even consider switching brands. Even if their new cards are vastly superior this gen it would still be very hard ATI to actually "beat" Nvidia in terms of sales. They will make inroads that will make it possible down the line but I can't see it actually happening this gen.
 
The momentum started with last egn, if they own the mid low end this gen, it could happen sooner than you think, because alot of the OEMs are still burning from the "bump gate" issue, and have cooled off on nVidia, allowing for ATI to garner more OEM sales, and will also have DX11 ready for those OEMs, whereas nVidia hasnt shown a thing in this regard, and numbers/new sell, and thats in ATIs favor, besides pricing and perf.
Its a tough road unless nVidia gets real DX11 parts our accross the board, makes up with a few OEMs, and garners some design wins, as its looking like ATI is making huge strides on lappys, and itll move to DT this round
 
So far, we've heard nothing from nVidia, so I can't really say. But nVid has a habit of simply, "Altering," existing cards. DX11 and the features it offers is more demanding than a simple shrink + mem increase. There can be no more renaming. If they can get the GTX275 renamed to GTS350, shrinking it and adding DX11, then it wouldn't be so bad.

The only way I thought nVid could win is if they focused speed over the new API, but ATI combines both into one monster. The 5870x1 (400$) beats the GTX295 (2x core..[500$]). This is like having AMD come out with a processor that beats the i7 965 (maybe the ratio is a bit off 😛), for less.

However, nVidia has done a lot. I don't think we'll be disappointed, we just won't see anything new.
 
the least Nvidia should do is rename gtx 275 to gts 350, but I'm pretty sure they have some cards coming before 2010, and if not..... :pt1cable: ....
 
The GT300 is a completely new chip and I'm positive it will beat anything that ATI has to offer. Of course it will be priced higher, but then if you want the best you'll have to pay for it. Personally I wouldn't buy ATI, simply because there's no Physx support. Nvidia all the way for me. Always bought Nvidia and never been disappointed.

Source Fudzilla

Nvidia is still not revealing any details about its chip that we still call GT300 but one thing is getting quite certain. A few people who saw just leaked performance data on ATI's soon to launch Radeon HD 5870 have told Fudzilla that they are absolutely confident that GT300 will win over Radeon HD 5870.

Since GT300 has its GX2 brother they should not fear much against Radeon 5870 X2 whenever that comes out, as if Nvidia wins a single chip battle, they can win the dual one as well.

We can only confirm that GT300 is not a GT200 in 40nm with DirectX 11 support. It’s a brand new chip that was designed almost entirely from the ground up. Industry sources believe that this is the biggest change since G80 was launched and that you can expect such level of innovation and change.

The launch as far as we know is still slated for late November and hasn’t been confirmed.

List og games that support Physx
http://physxinfo.com/
 
God you Nvidia fanboys and you damn Physx. I have been a Nvidia customer for a long time and I have never once cared at the thing. Yes it is nice, but only in a true HAND FULL of games does it actually do anything.

Must of the time it is simply "look a few more balls of light appear when I charge up!" very few games actually use it to a degree that is highly notable. But that isn't a deal breaker, I am not going to spend $200 more for PhysX.

You don't understand how it works, simply having DX11 and a smaller size doesn't mean it isn't the same chip, it means they modded it up and changed a few things. I am not saying they made a copy over, but what you are arguing doesn't mean they didn't.

We need to see the chip design and architecture first.

 
Physx is a nice feature, but not in a way Nvidia is promoting. Physx is dead-end niche feature, which will die as soon as DX11 and/or OpenCL physics will take off. Why? Because it will be industry standarts, supported by everyone, including Nvidia.
 


I would agree with this in that it's very VERY hard to switch people, just like Coke and Pepsi.

ATi definitely has the goods on the table for the near term, and likely top to bottom, but the nV fans are going to stick with their old product for a long time in the hopes that nV gets new hardware to market before there is any game that it matters on.

For this reason I seen ATi taking some market share, but their Marketing PR guys suck so bad that even if nV has an R600 level tragedy compounded by no mid-range parts, I still think that ATi/AMD doesn't have the skills to capitalize on it the way nV did a few years ago. And while most people talk about DX11 adoption being quicker this time around due to less barriers with regards to Vista etc, the reality is that likely far less people are waiting to upgrade to Win7 & DX11 than were holding off for Vista and D10, so I don't think there's also that pent-up level of demand either, and you will likely see some major changes in sales favouring ATi, but not enough to make huge in-road on market share, at best I expect parity in share before G300 et al arrives.

ATi regained the laptop market, but it's alot quicker changing and nV had a massive failure there; while the G300 is delayed, nV is still considered good on the desktop.

I voted both with sell equally, because I think that's the best ATi can hope for with the crap Marketing and 'Get in the Game' teams they are saddled with.
 
As an addendum, just look at ATi's sales during the X1900 and HD4870 era, better top to bottom solutions for price/performance, and still heavily trailed nV in sales.

Brand loyalty is very powerful, heck if Matrox were selling solutions that competed one rung below the competition I would probably still buy them, because to me they are bullet proof quality, and I would be helping them make more and investing in the next generation. I'm sure alot of ATi & nV buyers are exactly the same.

Recommendations are one thing, just objective data, but personal purchase always involve personal preferences that may go against outside logic or just empirical data, and that's what I think ATi/AMD is going to be struggling with.
 
This is true, but with 1 huge caveat.
Looking at the die hard AMD cpu fans out there, and the results of a long and prolonged screw up (dumping skt 939) the subsequent new models were nothing for perf, the next model which was delayed was awful for perf.
What this did was create a almost hatred by those former users/fans, worse than say Intel fans, and this could happen with nVidia if their problems dont abate soon, such as the renaming, the disdain for the DX gens, being late to market, the perceived higher costs vs perf etc, if they push it to the point where AMD found themselves, it could very well spell disaster for them, but, like youre saying Ape, not any time soon, but if the G300 doesnt arrive til qtr 1 2010, and doesnt perform and at decent competitive pricing, we may see this start to happen
 
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