[SOLVED] GTX 1050 gets same fps as GTX 1060 in CS:GO

[stinto113]

I have a really weird issue in CS:GO, my gtx 1050 2gb gets the exact same fps as my gtx 1060, both between 80-150 fps, which a 1060 should get much more fps than that, and same for the 1050. The CPU I have is a ryzen 3 1200 on stock settings.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Your graphics card determines the graphics quality, not the FPS so much. The CPU is the same, so the FPS are the same, to some degree. And, you're talking about a 70 frames per second variation at 80-150, there is a lot wiggle room there.

Are you using the same settings on both the 1050 and the 1060 in CS:GO?

Or, are you lowering the settings for the 1050?

 

[stinto113]

Your graphics card determines the graphics quality, not the FPS so much. The CPU is the same, so the FPS are the same, to some degree. And, you're talking about a 70 frames per second variation at 80-150, there is a lot wiggle room there.

Are you using the same settings on both the 1050 and the 1060 in CS:GO?

Or, are you lowering the settings for the 1050?

Same settings, but csgo should be running at 200-300 fps on a 1060, not less than 150.

 

[Darkbreeze]

http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-2767677/perform-clean-install-video-card-drivers.html

 

[yuriekatz13]

1050 = 1060 in performance?

answer: CPU bottleneck..

 

[Darkbreeze]

Yeah, that's what I said in my first post.

 

[stinto113]

1050 = 1060 in performance?

answer: CPU bottleneck..

No way a ryzen 3 1200 @ 3.6ghz bottlenecks a 1060. Thats what I thought at first, but it just doesnt make sense as my cpu usage is always low. Ive updated bios, performed a clean install of windows 3 times. Lost to know what to do. Might help to mention I get lots of fps drops and stuttering in all my games.

 

[Darkbreeze]

What are your FULL system specs including model numbers for ALL hardware including memory, motherboard and power supply?

 

[uppercut4u]

Check your display settings- Disable vsync

 

[stinto113]

Check your display settings- Disable vsync

no vsync

 

[stinto113]

What are your FULL system specs including model numbers for ALL hardware including memory, motherboard and power supply?

Ryzen 3 1200 @3.6ghz
2x8 16GB ram 2400mhz
AsRock AB350M-HDV motherboard
WD blue 1TB HDD
MSI Armor GTX 1060 6gb
Be quiet! system power 8 400w PSU

 

[Darkbreeze]

That PSU is extremely mediocre, not great, plus it is less than the recommended capacity for a system equipped with a GTX 1060.

Your problem could easily be due to a lack of adequate power delivery.

http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm

 

[stinto113]

That PSU is extremely mediocre, not great, plus it is less than the recommended capacity for a system equipped with a GTX 1060.

Your problem could easily be due to a lack of adequate power delivery.

http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm

I agree it may not be the best for the 1060, but the 1050 also getting very poor framerate and underperforming in games could mean that there is something else causing something. Although the PSU could be faulty and not providing enough power for either card..

 

[TerryLaze]

1050 = 1060 in performance?

answer: CPU bottleneck..

No way a ryzen 3 1200 @ 3.6ghz bottlenecks a 1060. Thats what I thought at first,

The game bottlenecks your CPU,it only uses 3 threads and it doesn't work well on ryzen,you can look at a lot of benchmark sites and they show intel being 50% faster in csgo.
You can set the game to the lowest resolution and quality settings,that will also clear up if the PSU is the problem since it will draw much less power,and it will show you the max FPS your CPU can get in this game.

 

[stinto113]

1050 = 1060 in performance?

answer: CPU bottleneck..

No way a ryzen 3 1200 @ 3.6ghz bottlenecks a 1060. Thats what I thought at first,

The game bottlenecks your CPU,it only uses 3 threads and it doesn't work well on ryzen,you can look at a lot of benchmark sites and they show intel being 50% faster in csgo.
You can set the game to the lowest resolution and quality settings,that will also clear up if the PSU is the problem since it will draw much less power,and it will show you the max FPS your CPU can get in this game.

Maybe that could be it, but the stuttering and fps drops could also be because of my PSU being underpowered?

 

[TerryLaze]

Maybe that could be it, but the stuttering and fps drops could also be because of my PSU being underpowered?

As I said running the game at the lowest resolution and quality will draw much less power so why don't you try it out and tell us.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Any problems on any graphics card OR other hardware, can always be a problem with power delivery. Hardware, ALL hardware, fails to work at it's optimal level when it does not have good, clean power in sufficient quantity. A lack of that can make any hardware or device act as though it is failing or mimic practically any kind of hardware failure.

I can't say that the PSU IS your problem, but I can say it IS potentially a problem. Given it's age and quality it's probably not a bad idea to replace it with a better unit anyhow, even if it is not the problem, than to continue on and guess about whether it's a problem or not. Also, doing as TerryLaze has suggested certainly cannot hurt and might give you some further insights. Even if it turns out not to be the issue, I'd still replace it.

 

[stinto113]

Maybe that could be it, but the stuttering and fps drops could also be because of my PSU being underpowered?

As I said running the game at the lowest resolution and quality will draw much less power so why don't you try it out and tell us.

The 1050 doesnt seem to stutter much or drop fps, but the 1060 is stutter and fps drops all over the place. The PSU must be the problem. Can you suggest any decent PSU's for my build? preferably under 50£

 

[Darkbreeze]

When it comes time to get that PSU, I'd stick to the following if you can. Click the spoiler box below:

Spoiler

Higher 80plus certification doesn't mean anything, UNLESS it's on an already known to be high quality PSU platform. For example, a Seasonic Prime platinum unit is going to be a better product than a Seasonic Prime Gold unit, because we already know the Prime platform is very good, and platinum efficiency along with it shows there are some improvements internally to account for the higher efficiency.

In a case like that, it might be worth it. It's likely the unit will create less heat, it will probably have better performance in regard to ripple, noise and voltage regulation. It might shave a few pennies, or dollars, off the electric bill over the course of a year.

Other than that, it is not going to perform any better than the same platform with Gold efficiency. On the other hand, just because a unit has Titanium 80plus ratings doesn't mean the unit is any good at all. For example, there are Raidmax units with Titanium efficiency and I wouldn't trust one of those to power a light bulb. There are a lot of units like this out there.

80plus only has relevance if the platform is already known to be a good one AND you only know whether the platform is good or not when there are professional reviews of that specific unit

Seasonic. Just about anything made by Seasonic is good quality for the most part. There are really no bad Seasonic units and only a very few that are even somewhat mediocre. They do make a few less-good quality OEM style units, but mostly those are not going to be units you come across at most vendors, and they are still not bad. Also, the S12II and M12II 520 and 620w units are older, group regulated models. At one time they were among the best units you could buy. Now, they are outdated and not as good as almost any other Seasonic models. They are however still better than a LOT of newer designs by other manufacturers.

The Seasonic 520w and 620w S12II/M12II units CAN be used on newer Intel platforms, if you turn off C6/C7 in the bios, but I'd really recommend a newer platform whenever possible. Prices are usually pretty good on those though, so sometimes it's worth accepting the lack of DC-DC on the internal platform. Higher capacity versions of the High current gamer are not based on that platform, so they are fine. Those being the 750w and higher versions. Antec Edge units are ok too, but reviews indicate that they have noisy fan profiles.

Corsair. The CX and CXm units are ok as a budget option, but I do not recommend pairing them with gaming cards. The newer 2017 models of CX and CXm are better than the older ones, but still not what we'd call terrific, so if it specifically says 2017 model, or it has a capacity other than an even 100, like 550w, 650w, 750w, etc., then it's likely at least better than those older ones. Aside from that, any of the TX, RMx, RMi, HX, HXi, AX or AXi units are good. Those are listed from best to worst, with the best being the AX and AXi units.

Antec. The True power classic units are made by Seasonic, and are very good, but are not modular. The High current gamer 520w and 620w, or any other PSU you see on the market that is 520w or 620w, are also made by Seasonic, based on the S12II and M12II platform for modern versions, and are pretty good units but again they are an older platform that is group regulated so if you go with a Haswell or newer Intel configuration you will want to avoid those because they do not support the C6/C7 Intel low power states.

The Antec High current gamer 750w and 850w units are very good and are not the older design, which came in 520w and 620w capacities and were good for back then but again, are an aging Seasonic platform that is not the best choice most of the time these days. Occasionally, these older units MIGHT be the best unit available and you could do worse than one of them, but a newer DC-DC platform is desirable when possible if it doesn't mean sacrificing quality elsewhere in the platform. There are however older and newer HCG models, so exact model number will likely be a factor if choosing one of these however both the older models and the newer models are good.

BeQuiet. BeQuiet does have a few decent models, BUT, you must be VERY selective about which of their models you put your trust in. From model to model their are huge differences in both quality and performance, even with the same series. If you cannot find a review for a BeQuiet unit on HardOCP, JonnyGuru or Tom's hardware that SPECIFICALLY says it is a very good unit, and does not have any significant issues in the "cons" category, I would avoid it. In fact, I'd probably avoid it anyhow unless there is a very great sale on one that has good reviews, because their units are generally more expensive than MUCH better units from Antec, Seasonic, EVGA and Corsair.

Super Flower. They are like Seasonic and they make power supplies for a variety of other companies, like EVGA. Super Flower units are usually pretty good. I'd stick to the Leadex, Leadex II and Golden Green models.

EVGA. They have good and not very good. Not very good are the W1, N1, B1, B3 (All models except the 650w model) and G1 NEX models. Good models are the B2, B3 650w, G2, G2L, G3, GQ, P2 and T2 models.

FSP. They used to be very mediocre, and are a PSU manufacturer like Seasonic and Super Flower, although not as well trusted based on historical performance. Currently the FSP Hydro G and Hydro X units are pretty good.

I would avoid Thermaltake and Cooler Master. They do have a few good units, but most of the models they sell are either poor or mediocre, and the ones they have that ARE good are usually way overpriced.

This is just ONE example of why I say that. Very new and modern CM unit. One of the worst scores ever seen on JG for a well known brand name product. Doesn't look to be much better than a Raidmax unit. Sad.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=563

And most of the models I have linked to the reviews of at the following link are at least good, with most of them being fantastic.

Power supply discussion thread​

Other models that should never be trusted OR USED AT ALL, under any circumstances, include A-Top, Apevia, Apex (Supercase/Allied), Artic, Ace, Aspire (Turbocase), Atadc, Atrix, Broadway com corp, CIT, Coolmax, Deer, Diablotek, Dynapower, Dynex, Eagletech, Enlight, Evo labs, EZ cool, Foxconn, G7, HEC/Compucase Orion, HEDY, iBall, iStar computer co., Jeantec, JPac, Just PC, Linkworld electronics, Logisys, Macron, MSI, NmediaPC, Norwood Micro (CompUSA), Okia, Powercool, Powmax, Pulsepower, Q-tec, Raidmax, Rocketfish, SFC, Sharkoon, Shuttle, Skyhawk, Startech, Storm, Sumvision, Tesla, Trust, Ultra, Wintech, Winpower, xTreme (Cyberpower), Youngbear and Zebronics.

 

[stinto113]

When it comes time to get that PSU, I'd stick to the following if you can. Click the spoiler box below:

Spoiler

Higher 80plus certification doesn't mean anything, UNLESS it's on an already known to be high quality PSU platform. For example, a Seasonic Prime platinum unit is going to be a better product than a Seasonic Prime Gold unit, because we already know the Prime platform is very good, and platinum efficiency along with it shows there are some improvements internally to account for the higher efficiency.

In a case like that, it might be worth it. It's likely the unit will create less heat, it will probably have better performance in regard to ripple, noise and voltage regulation. It might shave a few pennies, or dollars, off the electric bill over the course of a year.

Other than that, it is not going to perform any better than the same platform with Gold efficiency. On the other hand, just because a unit has Titanium 80plus ratings doesn't mean the unit is any good at all. For example, there are Raidmax units with Titanium efficiency and I wouldn't trust one of those to power a light bulb. There are a lot of units like this out there.

80plus only has relevance if the platform is already known to be a good one AND you only know whether the platform is good or not when there are professional reviews of that specific unit

Seasonic. Just about anything made by Seasonic is good quality for the most part. There are really no bad Seasonic units and only a very few that are even somewhat mediocre. They do make a few less-good quality OEM style units, but mostly those are not going to be units you come across at most vendors, and they are still not bad. Also, the S12II and M12II 520 and 620w units are older, group regulated models. At one time they were among the best units you could buy. Now, they are outdated and not as good as almost any other Seasonic models. They are however still better than a LOT of newer designs by other manufacturers.

The Seasonic 520w and 620w S12II/M12II units CAN be used on newer Intel platforms, if you turn off C6/C7 in the bios, but I'd really recommend a newer platform whenever possible. Prices are usually pretty good on those though, so sometimes it's worth accepting the lack of DC-DC on the internal platform. Higher capacity versions of the High current gamer are not based on that platform, so they are fine. Those being the 750w and higher versions. Antec Edge units are ok too, but reviews indicate that they have noisy fan profiles.

Corsair. The CX and CXm units are ok as a budget option, but I do not recommend pairing them with gaming cards. The newer 2017 models of CX and CXm are better than the older ones, but still not what we'd call terrific, so if it specifically says 2017 model, or it has a capacity other than an even 100, like 550w, 650w, 750w, etc., then it's likely at least better than those older ones. Aside from that, any of the TX, RMx, RMi, HX, HXi, AX or AXi units are good. Those are listed from best to worst, with the best being the AX and AXi units.

Antec. The True power classic units are made by Seasonic, and are very good, but are not modular. The High current gamer 520w and 620w, or any other PSU you see on the market that is 520w or 620w, are also made by Seasonic, based on the S12II and M12II platform for modern versions, and are pretty good units but again they are an older platform that is group regulated so if you go with a Haswell or newer Intel configuration you will want to avoid those because they do not support the C6/C7 Intel low power states.

The Antec High current gamer 750w and 850w units are very good and are not the older design, which came in 520w and 620w capacities and were good for back then but again, are an aging Seasonic platform that is not the best choice most of the time these days. Occasionally, these older units MIGHT be the best unit available and you could do worse than one of them, but a newer DC-DC platform is desirable when possible if it doesn't mean sacrificing quality elsewhere in the platform. There are however older and newer HCG models, so exact model number will likely be a factor if choosing one of these however both the older models and the newer models are good.

BeQuiet. BeQuiet does have a few decent models, BUT, you must be VERY selective about which of their models you put your trust in. From model to model their are huge differences in both quality and performance, even with the same series. If you cannot find a review for a BeQuiet unit on HardOCP, JonnyGuru or Tom's hardware that SPECIFICALLY says it is a very good unit, and does not have any significant issues in the "cons" category, I would avoid it. In fact, I'd probably avoid it anyhow unless there is a very great sale on one that has good reviews, because their units are generally more expensive than MUCH better units from Antec, Seasonic, EVGA and Corsair.

Super Flower. They are like Seasonic and they make power supplies for a variety of other companies, like EVGA. Super Flower units are usually pretty good. I'd stick to the Leadex, Leadex II and Golden Green models.

EVGA. They have good and not very good. Not very good are the W1, N1, B1, B3 (All models except the 650w model) and G1 NEX models. Good models are the B2, B3 650w, G2, G2L, G3, GQ, P2 and T2 models.

FSP. They used to be very mediocre, and are a PSU manufacturer like Seasonic and Super Flower, although not as well trusted based on historical performance. Currently the FSP Hydro G and Hydro X units are pretty good.

I would avoid Thermaltake and Cooler Master. They do have a few good units, but most of the models they sell are either poor or mediocre, and the ones they have that ARE good are usually way overpriced.

This is just ONE example of why I say that. Very new and modern CM unit. One of the worst scores ever seen on JG for a well known brand name product. Doesn't look to be much better than a Raidmax unit. Sad.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=563

And most of the models I have linked to the reviews of at the following link are at least good, with most of them being fantastic.

Power supply discussion thread​

Other models that should never be trusted OR USED AT ALL, under any circumstances, include A-Top, Apevia, Apex (Supercase/Allied), Artic, Ace, Aspire (Turbocase), Atadc, Atrix, Broadway com corp, CIT, Coolmax, Deer, Diablotek, Dynapower, Dynex, Eagletech, Enlight, Evo labs, EZ cool, Foxconn, G7, HEC/Compucase Orion, HEDY, iBall, iStar computer co., Jeantec, JPac, Just PC, Linkworld electronics, Logisys, Macron, MSI, NmediaPC, Norwood Micro (CompUSA), Okia, Powercool, Powmax, Pulsepower, Q-tec, Raidmax, Rocketfish, SFC, Sharkoon, Shuttle, Skyhawk, Startech, Storm, Sumvision, Tesla, Trust, Ultra, Wintech, Winpower, xTreme (Cyberpower), Youngbear and Zebronics.

Is this a good PSU?
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/500w-antec-vp-series-atx-psu-dual-rail-1x120mm-silent-fan-82-efficiency

 

[Darkbreeze]

This would be a lot better than that one.

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/520w-seasonic-s12ii-520-bronze-series-80-plus-bronze-dual-rail-20a-1x120mm-silent-fan-fully-wired-at


Or, on that same website. The Corsair CX550 would be ok too. Stay away from the even numbered CX units like the CX500, CX600. Preferably models that say "2017" version. The Seasonic would be a much better choice though.

 

[bystander]

1050 = 1060 in performance?

answer: CPU bottleneck..

No way a ryzen 3 1200 @ 3.6ghz bottlenecks a 1060. Thats what I thought at first, but it just doesnt make sense as my cpu usage is always low. Ive updated bios, performed a clean install of windows 3 times. Lost to know what to do. Might help to mention I get lots of fps drops and stuttering in all my games.

CS:GO is so old now, that a calculator can power the graphics. The slow downs are internet and CPU based in almost all cases with such an ancient game. You should also check the clocks that your CPU is actually running at, not just what it is supposed to run at. It could be throttling.

It also only takes 1 thread to be near maxed out to bottleneck you. It could even be a memory speed bottleneck, but this game doesn't take much of a GPU at all.

 

[stinto113]

This would be a lot better than that one.

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/520w-seasonic-s12ii-520-bronze-series-80-plus-bronze-dual-rail-20a-1x120mm-silent-fan-fully-wired-at


Or, on that same website. The Corsair CX550 would be ok too. Stay away from the even numbered CX units like the CX500, CX600. Preferably models that say "2017" version. The Seasonic would be a much better choice though.

so a little update... I have now got a Seasonic 520w PSu, tested the GPU which was fine. I have no clue what is causing this, reset my PC, still have problems, my other games like R6S, BO4 all run wayyyyyy better at higher framerates etc. No clue what is going on.

 

[stinto113]

1050 = 1060 in performance?

answer: CPU bottleneck..

No way a ryzen 3 1200 @ 3.6ghz bottlenecks a 1060. Thats what I thought at first, but it just doesnt make sense as my cpu usage is always low. Ive updated bios, performed a clean install of windows 3 times. Lost to know what to do. Might help to mention I get lots of fps drops and stuttering in all my games.

CS:GO is so old now, that a calculator can power the graphics. The slow downs are internet and CPU based in almost all cases with such an ancient game. You should also check the clocks that your CPU is actually running at, not just what it is supposed to run at. It could be throttling.

It also only takes 1 thread to be near maxed out to bottleneck you. It could even be a memory speed bottleneck, but this game doesn't take much of a GPU at all.

My other games all run so much better, and they all have far more demanding specs. Rocket league i get 200fps usually on the highest settings, R6S on high I get 100-130 fps, same with BO4. I have no clue why CSGO runs so badly, it is hardly playable as the frames change constantly causing horrible stutters and lag. Vsync is not an option as I hate the input lag caused by it. CSGO is my favourite game and any help would be appreciated.

 

[Darkbreeze]

As an experiment, I would run the DDU again and reinstall the MOST recent Nvidia drivers, but THIS time, I would choose to only install the drivers. NO Geforce experience. Use afterburner or another utility for card settings and optimization. See if it makes any difference. I've seen a lot of people have unexplained issues due to Geforce experience automatically choosing poor optimization settings for a number of things, and, just in general.