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Gtx 1070/1060 vs gtx780 + 1 other question

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Hello guys. Probably been beat to death already, but I can't seem to find specific answers to these questions.
Sorry if they have been asked before, but I havent found them, if so. In any event:
1. Considering upgrading my gtx780.
Why? I have no idea. I have a pile of chase reward points and coupled with the easy eBay sale of my 780 plus a little cash could net me a gtx1070.
Could get the gtx1060 with nothing but chase bank points. I'm wanting the MSI gaming 1070 to match my rig (that I hardly ever look at haha).
Here's the thing, I only play BF4 atm (and not a whole lot of that...job wife kids etc etc). The only other game I am considering lately is Doom.
Play 1080p 60hz. Rest of rig is MSI g45, 4670k and 16gb of GSkill.
Any reason at all to get either of those cards? Not planning on buying a new monitor anytime soon.
Any reason at all besides just wanting to buy something new for my computer anyways lol. I know the 1070 will drastically increase frame rates, but my 780 pulls very good rates at ultra. The 1060 I feel would be more of a side grade. But no actual monetary outlay, new architecture, way less power consumption, less heat, noise etc etc.
Plus I can still get between 120-170 for the old girl (780) on ebay.
Thoughts? Advice? Hit me.
2. For some reason I recall reading that the 10 series is not compatible with Windows 7. I can't find a definitive answer on this. I would assume it's incorrect, but would like to confirm (maybe it's dx12 that doesn't work with W7?).

Thanks in advance.
 
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1070 seems a bit overkill for 1080p 60hz. GTX780 should suffice. Since you don't plan on upgrading to a newer monitor (144hz or 1440p), then the 780 already runs the games you play really well then what's the point of upgrading. The 10 series should be compadible with Windows 7. You just won't be able to take advantage of dx12 since it's not supported on Windows 7.
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1070 seems a bit overkill for 1080p 60hz. GTX780 should suffice. Since you don't plan on upgrading to a newer monitor (144hz or 1440p), then the 780 already runs the games you play really well then what's the point of upgrading. The 10 series should be compadible with Windows 7. You just won't be able to take advantage of dx12 since it's not supported on Windows 7.
 
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As Arkstar said, the 1070 is really best utilized for 1440p / VR setups. 1080p 60 Hz isn't terribly difficult to run anymore. The 780 is a really solid card, but I can understand why you'd want an upgrade-- because of that, go ahead and just get the 1060. Make sure you get the 6GB variant though, because then it really is just temp / noise that you are upgrading.
 
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Thanks for info guys. Yeah, not really a necessity. For one thing, I just wanna unload my 780 before I end up giving it away or having an unused spare sitting in my shed (never a bad idea tho).
Will I see a (theoretical, I mean uncapped fps) increase in performance with the 1060? Also, will the 1060 do anything (vr or better driver support etc) that my 780 will not currently do?
Noise not that big of an issue but I do have afterburner set to 100% at like 60c so, being a reference card it does sound like a 747 in my case when it's ramped up.
I also think the power draw is significant, something like 250 vs 150. The longer I can make my computer last, the better. It was the last great build before all my kids showed up and ruined my constant upgrade/side grade/buy new stuff asap tendency. That and I really have nothing left to upgrade, unless I start switching all my drives that aren't Ssd over to Ssd drives lol.
 
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Actually, yes! The GTX 1060 has pretty much become the de-facto standard for Nvidia VR gaming. Think of it as the minimum spec card. Yes, it's technically the GTX 970, but the 970 has proved to give a relatively "hitchy" experience. Anyway, the 1060 should be excellent for entry-level VR, DSR, or DX12 / Vulkan benefits. On top of that, the 1060 is a new card that gets a ton of driver attention.
 
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The GTX 1060 will give you 40-50% improvement over GTX 780 - it is an upgrade (especially for free). not to mention that it will consume half the power -> much less heat -> quieter system.
You will be able to run any game maxed out on your monitor.
The GTX 1070 would be just a waste of money.
10 series is compatible with windows 7. DX12 is not compatible. But you can't play DX12 games even now.
BUT, when you will upgrade to windows 10 (you can still do it for free for now) GTX 1060 would be much better.
Anyway, in a year the ebay value of your 780 will be much less than now, but 1060 will still have a decent value.
P.S.
I'd really recommend against overpriced "wanna be top tier" crap MSI. Get EVGA GTX 1060 SC Gaming for 260$ and be happy. Better support, better warranty, better company and same performance.
A good example of warranty/support is too loud coil whine. EVGA will accept it for RMA, MSI and GB will not - they say "it's normal property that do not affect performance".
 
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Yes, nons3n3e, that's kinda what I was thinking today when I was about to pull the trigger on the 1070. I'm wasting money.
I like the MSI card because it matches my mobo and ram lol I know but still. All Evga cards I've ever had were excellent, though, so I will take that advice under consideration.
Definitely agree on the 780 price in a year. It will be nothing, essentially.
 
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Ok so what I read about W7 was actually about the Nvidia driver package. That you need "build 1151" because the newer versions are not compatible with older windows builds.
I'm not sure what that means.
Any input?
 
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I learned my lesson on going with less trusty (good QC, good SW/BIOS support, good terms of warranty and reliable service) manufacturers in the hard way.
Now, only Asus mother boards and EVGA GPUs. And other components that have good service in my country.
I'd rather paint the GPU or the whatever has this red in your build than put MSI product in my computer :) At least because removing cooler will void the warranty and I always prefer to clean the card and replace shitty thermal paste/pads it comes with. not to mention that it's liquid cooled in main rig. And that's possible only with EVGA. And I had that awkward moment with coil whine on new and shinny card.
 
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That means windows 10 with some updated from last year are the minimum required for those drivers.
 
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eventually you'll have to go to windows 10 - better do it for free while you can 😉
regarding the "never had a problem" is not a good reasoning. Any electronic component from any manufacturer can have a problem immediately or over time.
The question how you are treated when the problem occurs :)
 
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I use Windows 10 in my office. I don't care for it. Although you are correct, I will have to go to it sooner or later (hopefully later).
So, back to the question at hand, will I have to use a specific set of drivers for a 1060/1070 and Windows 7, and will I be prohibited from using the newer drivers as they come out?
 
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RobCrezz, good info.
If I did happen to get a new monitor, it wouldn't be anything crazy. Probably 1440 or 120hz, something like that. But really only reason I would is if my trusty Samsung kicked the bucket.
So, I take it you are pleased that you made a switch to a 1060 vs a 1070?
 
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That's good to know. That's mainly why I asked here, I figured at some point someone who had actually gone from a 780 to a 1060/1070 would weigh in.
Really leaning towards the 1060 at this point. I don't see myself gaming enough on any real "new" games at high resolution to warrant the extra outlay on the 1070. Although that's the card I "really" wanted...I don't necessarily see the point at this time. I think if I got into newer titles at higher resolution, it will be awhile down the road, and by that time, there will likely be something even better out. Or the 1070/1080 will be dirt cheap lol.

 
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