GTX 1070 severe frame drops

[ReaperRican]

I built my PC around 2 months ago, everything went smoothly, and until today all the games that I have ran great. Well today I started playing Overwatch, and Forza Horizon 3 and experienced massive frame drops. In Overwatch went from 90 ish all the way to 28, and in FH3 from 63 to 32. This happened exactly when a lot of background things were happening in game i. e. Massive battles in overwatch or environment rendering in FH3. I tried updating drivers, really installing the drivers, checked if it was running hot but it wasn't. I called EVGA and did a 3DMark test Firestrike and noticed when the Physics test happened the FPS dropped massively. Could anyone help? I'll post my rigs main components bellow.

Intel i7-7700k 4.5ghz
GIGABYTE Z270-HD3P
CORSAIR h80i
EVGA GTX 1070
EVGA 750W PSU
250 SSD
3TB HDD

 

[junkeymonkey]

'' called EVGA and did a 3DMark test Firestrike and noticed when the Physics test happened the FPS dropped massively ''

that's run on the CPU the average score of you CPU should be 12800 +/- [Physics Test 40.65 fps] and having a overclocked ''K'' should be a bit higher

can you post your firestrike score here ?

[example]

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12414948

or screenshot

http://imgur.com/RRe1c0D

you should be in that ball park or better

too bad you don't have the stress test part

http://imgur.com/Ak24Pbi

 

[ReaperRican]

The score was around 14500. So if the CPU is being pushed too hard how can I fix it? It used to run fine. Is that bottlenecking?

 

[junkeymonkey]

well not pushed too hard unless you see bad throttling of it or a bad overclocking type crash ..

that score kinda shows its stable to hold a good high score ? I would feel if it was your physics score would be on the dismal side of thing ??

what about your graphics scores ? are they in line with other 1070's [ Graphics Score 18 914 +/- ?? ]

 

[ReaperRican]

Oh sorry! The physics score was 7 thousand. The graphing score was around 12 thousand and average fps was 82. But the average physics Frames were 39. Could this be the CPU?

 

[junkeymonkey]

and your using firestrike the default 1080p run not time spy or ultra ??

this score I gave above

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12414948

is form a non ''K'' 7700 so ??? and not even the top score I went way down the list of single card use to get it for a run of the mill average

Graphics Score 18 914 - Physics Score 12 804 - Combined Score7 319

 

[junkeymonkey]

you see here in time spy between 1st place and 120th place scores theres not much difference in the graphics and cpu scores ?

http://www.3dmark.com/spy/1488467

http://www.3dmark.com/spy/1417498


if me ?? I would save all my oc profiles and set everything back to stock default [except memory if xmp is set - just card and cpu back to stock default ]

then try the tests to see

run something like hwinfo64 in the background to monitor system min max reading during the tests to check voltage dropps or temps what not

https://www.hwinfo.com/

maybe catch something like the psu 12v dropping out of range any temps too high or what ever may cause any throttling ?

http://imgur.com/AvRnRgU

http://imgur.com/7TUl4XA

I see the 7700k is stock at 4.5 , hmmmm .......


I guess if you have a buddy with a good gaming rig may see if you can test the 1070 in his rig to see if it the same issue ??

if not and seems to work as expected then ???? if the sane poor results than maybe something wen bad in the card ?

may try this with a run or 2 to see ?/

http://www.evga.com/support/faq/afmviewfaq.aspx?faqid=59594

 

[JackNaylorPE]

What are your temps ?

Note that listing specs as "EVGA 1070" is kinda like telling the mechanic you have a blue Chevy. He won't be able do give you specific tuning information related to your car w/o knowing say model, engine size at the least. So for diagnosing a card's problems, knowing the exact model would be very helpful.

EVGA 1070 FE or "reference design": Limited by temperature throttling, so when starting a game, as load increases .... over time, temps rise and performance throttling occurs. This happened with all FE 1070 / 1080 designs.

EVGA 1070 SC : The SC series has historically been the same reference card PCB with a different / better cooler. This model's weakness over the years has been the weak VRM, and lack of adequate VRM / memory cooling. With the 1070 / 1080, EVGA was forced to offer a mod to the initial cards (up thru November 2016 IIRC) where by you can confirm whether your card is affected by looking at the EVGA web site and if so, they will send you a thermal pad kit.

EVGA 1070 FTW: Historically, the FTW had a better PCB than the SC with numerous improvements but EVGA cheaped out a bit with the memory / VRM cooling. The same thermal pad mod as mentioned above is available if you have one of the early release 1070 / 1080 SC or FTW cards

Here's the mod request page... can be installed in about an hour ... many youtube videos available.

http://www.evga.com/thermalmod/

http://hothardware.com/news/evga-nvidia-gtx-1080-1070-cards-allegedly-dying-in-blaze-of-glory

 

[Achint2000]

Whenever that happens, press Alt+Tab to get out of the game window.
Press Start+R and type "resmon.exe" and hit enter.

Check if some process is abnormally using high CPU or doing hard faults in Memory, or reading data at high speed from the disk. Once you find it, and if it's not important (like Skype, Chrome), right click on it, click "suspend process". This will be a temporary solution. If this doesn't help,

Download Unigine Superposition or Heaven benchmark and run it on 8k Optimized Windowed. If it has sudden FPS drops like in those games,
Download Core Temp and check if CPU Frequency drops while it benchmarks.
Download ASUS GPU Tweak (not GPU Tweak II) and run it's monitor, check if GPU usage spikes or drops while benchmarking.
Also download Nvidia Inspector, run it, click "show overclocking" and check which P-State your GPU is on. Usually it should be P0 State.

 

[ReaperRican]

Okay so update, I called EVGA and tried some trouble shooting. Tried the Intel benchmark and passed, tried debugged mode on the GPU and the graphing portion is fine is just when there's a lot of stuff happening in the screen. Examples, when there's a lot of people attacking in Overwatch, or the physics test on Fire strike. I suppose it's the CPU but it's a 4.5ghz and I get no alerts saying heavy usage, but then I noticed that there was a memory lag because everything slowed just by running discord. I used the windows ram diagnostic tool and said it was fine. I really do not know what else to do, this is very frustrating
Also my card is the SC version.

 

[Achint2000]

You didn't mention how much RAM you have. If you have more than 8GB of RAM, disable pagefile or make it's size as small as 512 MB. It might be that Windows loads your running games into pagefile which cause severe framedrops while reloading textures into the scene. The same thing happened to me while playing GTA5.

How to disable pagefile: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-performance-tweak,2911-4.html

Also, close all RAM hungry or unnecessary programs before playing those games, it'll help.

 

[junkeymonkey]

''disable pagefile'' not recommended for windows

windows will create a hidden page file when none has been established by the windows user.

windows work off virtual memory /page file don't matter if you got 20000 gb of memory

some ,more

http://lifehacker.com/5426041/understanding-the-windows-pagefile-and-why-you-shouldnt-disable-it



may try this ?

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/processors/000005567.html

thing is a lot of guys with them h series corsair coolers seem to have temp issues with them like there h100's seems like a 25 buck air cooler can do as good or better job

 

[ReaperRican]

I have 16gb of DDR4 2400MHZ ram. The speed is running at is 2133 but I never had a problem until now. When I tried setting it at 2400 and enabling the XMP the computer went a little crazy and I just switched back to normal.

 

[ReaperRican]

And I already used the Intel diagnostics tool as I said before and it passed.

 

[Achint2000]

Try closing every unnecessary RAM hungry programs before starting the game? (Like discord, chrome, skype, iTunes)

 

[junkeymonkey]

I did ask for like hwinfo64 screen shots of your stuff under idle and load ? just in the post above jack's

then what jack said if you contacted evga and they had your cards info they know weather your card need there mod or not . just first release / early cards ''MAY OF ' needed them later cards were factory adjusted . I guess you could of got a OLD stock card today ??

it was just a bios update for fan speeds control [in bios ] and thermal pads you just add / flash yourself is all it was


thing is you got a new release platform reall untried and kinda unproven then you never know it that model board you got is a good stable one or one gigabyte got to fight with a lot of bios updates to keep it working right or stable ???

look at that boards f3 and f4 bios v-core voltage fix ? improve memory stability ??

see maybe that board they see a voltage issue when you use a high end cpu like a 7700 ? maybe they see a memory issue ??

 

[ReaperRican]

I did, and what I don't understand is why would there be lag when there's only 50% of ram being used. I ran Overwatch mid game with task manager up to see the load and the highest was 53% but when I get into firefights there's an FPS drop, and the whole system lags.

 

[junkeymonkey]

run this and monitor you temps and all when doing it

http://www.numberworld.org/y-cruncher/

Decimal Digits: 1,000,000,000

you got 16gb memory that's test option -0- benchmark pi then select benchmark option 1 then option 6 foir the Decimal Digits: 1,000,000,000

just don't exceed the test over your available memory it shows you have to use at the top .

that test will run your memory and cpu to its fullest

a old run of mine and got my cpu to 78c -74c all cores

Processor(s): Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4670 CPU @ 3.40GHz
> Logical Cores: 4
> Physical Memory: 16,756,445,184 bytes ( 15.6 GiB )
> CPU Frequency: 3,398,990,144 Hz
> Program Version: 0.6.7 Build 9457 (Linux - x64 AVX2 ~ Airi)
> Constant: Pi
> Algorithm: Chudnovsky Formula
> Decimal Digits: 1,000,000,000
> Hexadecimal Digits: Disabled
> Threading Mode: 4 threads
> Computation Mode: Ram Only
> Working Memory: 4,859,459,952 bytes ( 4.52 GiB )
> Logical Disk Usage: 0 bytes ( 0 bytes )
> Start Date: Wed Feb 25 03:01:59 2015
> End Date: Wed Feb 25 03:05:01 2015
> Computation Time: 174.334 seconds
> Total Time: 182.220 seconds
> CPU Utilization: 385.460 %
> Multi-core Efficiency: 96.365 %


http://www.numberworld.org/y-cruncher/benchmarks/charts/1b.html

after that ust the highest pi run [should be run option 7 ] that uses most all your 16gb to do

maybe test the hard drives and there data cables ??

like I say unless you can test your card like in another compurte to see if its as bad or work well in it ? I seen quite a few guys needing to rma there skylakes back to intel ???

with out some kind of process of elimination all you can do is sit there and guess at things and hope you stumble on to it or the cause ?


just googling overwatch gtx 1070 frame drops seems a lot on that [plenty] seems that game is known to do this ?

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/940424/fps-drops-and-stutters-on-overwatch-/?offset=5

maybe be them games behavior ??

 

[ReaperRican]

Okay guys, I figured out the problem after so many days of frustration. It turned out I had many many many apps open in the background and 3 of those were trying to record gameplay (Shadow Play, GameDVR, and another which I cannot remember) plus I had around 4 launchers running plus 2 apps controlling my video card, and CPU cooler. I am sorry if I wasted you guys time, but thank you all for the help, and the replies. I extremely appreciate it.

 

[Achint2000]

I already said look for softwares which are unnecessary and terminate them.

Shadowplay doesn't add over a 5 FPS drop, even on 4K 2160p 130Mbps recording, in any game/benchmark at the highest GPU usages as per my experience with GTX 650 Ti BOOST 2GD5 DC2OC and Strix 970 4GD5 DC2OC.

However, bandicam, or any other recording software will MOSTLY cause severe performance impacts.

For an even better increase in performance:

Spoiler

disable aero themes, desktop window manager (dwm), any service which is unnecessary and every single program including Windows Explorer.

I used this method to run heavy games (Saints Row 4, Assassin's Creed 3, GTA 4) on my 128MB Intel HD Graphics Laptop with a Pentium Dual Core CPU. It was hardly 25 FPS but atleast it worked