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Yeah, I only found out about all this when I was upgrading from my 2600k on a MSI Z68 board. Initially I though just going to a more modern CPU would free up all the throughput for the GPU's then I started seeing posts regarding the PCIe lanes. If I hadn't gotten a great deal on Newegg(CPU$399&MOBO$200) and been able to re-use a lot of my parts I wouldn't have been able to afford the upgrade I did.

I can totally tell you that the x16 made a difference for 4k w/ my SLI970's but I firmly believe that a single TI or Titan x16 would rock it just the same and more. Plus if you ever decided to go a hex/octa solution you'd be halfway...
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I've been doing 4k gaming on my rigs for about a year. The desktop listed below and my MSI GT80 2QE SLI-253(2x980m's w/ 8GB each). The 8gb is fine for current vram needs but just as we've seen 1080p gaming exceed 4gb I would expect 4k to start pushing the 8+ cap in 12-18 months. The clocks on the FE versions are only marginally optimal for 4k(you really need to be around/above 2000mhz for future proofing). If you SLI you'd probably be ok but in 1-2 years you'll probably be back to compromising.

Bottom line: Wait for the TI's. These will be the definitive 4k gaming cards. No Hype, No BS, they will crush the 60fps 4k w/ max settings cards. In SLI, TI's will likely push the 120hz 4k arena as well(those monitors should start to appear by then as well).

The monitor I'm using is a LG 31 MU97, Cinema 4k(4096x2160) 10bit, 60hz connected via DP 1.2.
 
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It's true about the 'next card' thing. Here's a basic release breakdown:

1. Extreme gaming versions(real OC'd not the minor ones out now) will be out in June/July. Some of these are already rumored at 2.2-2.5ghz vs. 1.6-1.8's out now.

2.. TI's in the fall. More everything, speed, cores, bandwidth, memory. More $$$ too, rumored around 800-1000, but even one should suffice for most people for awhile on 4k gaming.

I admit that I'm feeling tempted by the extreme gaming specs I'm seeing but I want to be done with this for about 2-4 years so I'll probably hold out for a TI.
 
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Hmm. My rig won't play current games and I've been waiting for years to have a few bucks to build again. Obviously I don't buy a 1080 to run 1080p. Do I spend 500-700 on a 2k monitor now then and buy a 4k monitor and card in a few years? Waiting until the fall just doesn't make sense for me. Do we know the new card will move to the new memory?
 
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http://wccftech.com/amd-vega-gpu-navi-gpu-hbm2-2017-2018/

if you dont wanna wait, buy 2k and play 2k with it :) or buy 4k monitor and play on 1080p if the 4k won't be playable and upgrade GPU after better cards come
 
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The new HBM memory is only rumored to be coming to the TI's and next Titan which are also rumored to be out in the fall or early winter. If you're really in a hurry then June looks to be your best bet. Both ASUS(June 4th), Gigabyte, and EVGA have all announced their next extreme OC editions will be coming out in June. Good luck on getting one though(probably will be sold out for the first 2-4 weeks). Some of the early prices are looking like +/- ~$700.

This all only matters if you want to go head on in to 4k. My 970's easily rock 2k @ 60FPS+. A single 980ti would rock 2k too, many have done it. Something about the scalability in 2k agrees with the 965 and above series. Most of them give great results for max/ultra settings in 2k. Occasionally you might need to lower something but its not as bad as what you have to do for demanding 4k(GTA V, Rise of Tomb Raider, Witcher 3/latest patch has helped).

As far as buying a monitor goes, there are some good 4k ones out now but nearly all use DP 1.2 which is pretty close to maxed for 60fps/10bit color. The 10 series cards have DP1.4 for a reason. DP1.3 monitors are next to impossible to find now, by fall there should be better options w/ 4k/120-144hz/DP1.4 out then. Only something like a TI or Titan or 1080's in SLI will really be able to push those frames though. All that together and you're looking at $1500-2000 for a total upgrade in that arena.

2k/144hz you could easily do now for almost half.
 
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Just wait a bit till real benchmarks come out with a GTX 1080 @ 4K gaming. A few weeks could keep you from making a mistake.
 
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Dude, I had to go back and look at your specs. If you're really looking to go into this 4k thing, you'll probably need a complete new system. You've got a nice rig, but 2k is probably close to the limit even if you threw a 980ti in it that CPU is probably going to start to bottleneck(plus pcie 2.0 is also going to struggle with the bandwidth needed for 4k/10bit/60+fps). Doing 4k is going to cost you some bucks from this standpoint.

My previous build had a Z68(PCIe 3.0) w/ a 2600k(oc'd to 4.3 but only PCIe 2.0 support), 16gb ddr3 1600mhz and with these same 970's it could only do 25-35fps @ 4k. Upgrading to what I have now got me to 35-55 on most games with some compromises(AA, shadows, density/populations, etc. but textures at max). My build before that was a lga775 w/ q9500 and although impressive I had a hard time getting that to run anything at ultra above 720p(it could do 1080p just not at ultra except for pre-2010 games).
 
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You'd be to salvage the usual things, drives, maybe case-maybe, maybe PSU(1000w is plenty, it's the age/quality that matters) but other than that I'm thinking a whole new build. There's a lot of great x99 options to work with and really cool things happening with DDR4 now too. You built a great rig with what you have, but its time to move forward again if you want to take the future on.
 
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This is all becoming the start of a new thread, but the other advantage of the newer tech is that a single 1080TI or next Titan could be used w/ a fast I5/I7 quad, fast ddr4 and totally rock 4k(single card running at PCIe 3.0 x 16) for a long time. If you want to bide your time, just drop those 560ti's into a new build and enjoy the ride until fall then upgrade to a better GPU. You'd be surprised at how much life is still left in 'em until then. I started my latest build 4 years ago with a pair of PNY560ti's before my 780 & 970's and I know they're good cards. They'll still work hard for 1080 ultra but it would give the market time to afford you better opportunities.
 
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Sorry to be unclear. A whole new build is the plan. I want to get ddr4 for sure and I have a board I like, but I've had my eye on it and a new Skylar CPU for a long while.

Jayztwocents ran a 1080 at 4k with doom maxed review and it seems to be good to go.
 
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As far as I know there are no dp 1.4's yet. There's another thread about that I've been following also. The general feeling is they will begin appearing in the fall.

As far Jayztwocents 4k doom goes. It's a current game and I already read reviews about the nightmare settings during release. Overall the new engine was well coded and mostly optomized for nvidia(next patch is supposed to add SLI support). It's commendable that a single 1080 is doing well, but there's not much headroom for the games that will come out in the next 2-4 years. I'm pretty sure it won't go much over 80-100fps in 4k either when those monitors come out unless you SLI. At this point SLI is going to need more than the dual x8 current quads are limited to. I can absolutely attest that when I switched to my hex(40 pcie lanes) those 970's gained some frames even when I was still using the same mem(1600mhz), psu, case, cooler, etc. from the z68 board. That being the case in order to stick with these current 1080's you'll need a hex or bigger(way more $$$).

A single faster 1080 will allow a new build with a fast quad, fast mem, for much less money while using 16pcie lanes and leaving some for other things(SSD's etc). Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of the EVGA SC cards. Thats what my 780 is and it still mostly rocks 1080p gaming. I also favor the gigabyte g1 series and I'm sure they've got something impressive coming.

I'd say start getting the parts of your next build together and give the gpu market a few more weeks to settle. 6600k, lga1151 z170 mobo, FTW 1080, ddr4 pushing 3333 32gb) pair of 3d nands for a game raid and you'll have a serious and affordable system that will last another 4-8 years.
 
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As far as something solid on Monitor release dates go. . .no. The closest is that there are a number of articles about LG,Dell, and Acer developing them. They've all been teasing with 4k/120hz for over a year now. I just did a quick search and it almost looks like the 4k/120hz is leaning towards usb-c/thunderbolt 3 as a connection means for that res/refresh with no real mention of anything beyond DP1.2.


I'd say its still too early to truly judge what the monitor scene will do. The only solid advice I'd give for future proofing at this point is don't buy a reference 1080.
 
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That's what I would recommend. Basically we're experiencing the first waves of a tidal wave of new GPU/display tech. The gpu's look like they'll sort themselves out first but all the big players seem to be having challenges with their next 4k high frequency monitors. For those of us wanting to put a nice chunk of money into it and be set for awhile, waiting a little longer is the best thing to do. When it comes to MOBO's/CPU's/Memory/Storage, basically all the other stuff, there's already some pretty solid and affordable options out now.
 
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Out of curiosity, does it seem likely the memory on this card is the ddr5x and on the ti they've already moved on to hbm2? I'm skeptical it will happen that fast. What cards has nvidia had on ddr5 without the x? Is there any history to support such a quick jump?
 
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im pretty sure their titan version will have hbm2, and the 1080ti(if it even comes out) will have gddr5x
 
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