GTX 260 or XFX HD 5770 1GB?

[fan]

Hello,i am going to get a few new parts for my pc so i have trouble choosing a video card the trouble is

Does the XFX Ati radeon 5770HD 1GB? perform same as the GTX260?


the system i am building is


intel core i7 930 2.8ghz

Corsair Dominator 3X2GB 1600mhz memory tri channel whit the i7

INTEL ATX X58 LGA1366 FSB1600 DDR3 RAID

Coolermaster 620W PSU

and i cant decide the gtx 260 or the xfx hd 5770? no idea how they perform if compared,if any one could help me decide i would be thankfull.

 

[fan]

One of the main functions of vsync is to cap the fps at the refresh rate of your monitor. So you most likely have a 60hz monitor therefore vsync wont allow your framerate to go any higher than that. It also has a really annoying input-lag effect which makes aiming in fps games a lot harder.


So no amount of upgrading will make your fps go higher than 60 if vsync is enabled... you just have to disable it.

but those extreme gamers when they do crossfire 5970s do they enable Vsync to test their system whit fps? or the Vsync is not necessery? and my screen refresh rate is 75

 

[Mousemonkey]

yes they have the heatinks are inside the vga or at the top like the gtx295 but im not interested on them im interested on the small fans only.

You do not seem to realise that a small fan has to spin faster to achieve the same airflow as a larger fan that is spinning slower and quieter.

 

[fan]

quieter? i have this 9800gt fan when it spins i hear a buzzing sound from it which is almost impossible to play a game,and by the way i always have to turn the fan speed to lowest 25% to make the buzzing sound dissapear.

the 5770 or the gtx260 has small fans but those cards are newer than the 9800gt so they cant have fans that loud.

 

[shady28]

If you take a closer look at benchmarks between GTX 260 / 216 and the 5770, you'll find that the 260 beats the 5770 pretty soundly in higher resolution DX9 and DX10 games with lower AA settings.

In the lower resolutions, the 5770 beats the 260 most of the time.

The difference is probably the memory interface, the 260 has a 448 bit memory path with DDR3 vs the 5770s 128bit memory path with DDR5. The 5770 has memory bandwidth around 77 GB/S vs the 260/216 memory bandwidth which runs around 128 GB/Sec. At higher resolutions this becomes more important.

One the flip side, the Radeon seems to have better AA, so if you are into high AA then the Radeon will probably be the performer.

It's clear the 5770 has a superior GPU, but the memory interface slows it down a lot.

That said, in the details it really depends on the specific game. In some games one or the other card will be faster by 20-40%.

I think the GTX260 is more consistent and that Nvidia has more stable drivers, but that's just my experience. I tend to stick with one brand so I don't have driver conflicts due to crappy driver uninstalls when switching cards - my 260 worked fine just plugging it in after an upgrade from an 8800GT.

One last thing, the GTX 275 is running around $180 at microcenter now. That card will beat both the 260 and the 5770 in almost everything DX9 / 10 and is in the same 160-200 price range the 260 and 5770 are in. With your power supply running the 275 should be no problem.

 

[jyjjy]

If you take a closer look at benchmarks between GTX 260 / 216 and the 5770, you'll find that the 260 beats the 5770 pretty soundly in higher resolution DX9 and DX10 games with lower AA settings.

Do you have a link to benchmarks showing this on semi-current drivers or are you just basing this on the initial reviews of the card based on the early drivers?

 

[fan]

can you tell me if the GTX260 Core 192 Is The Same Like HD5770?

Becouse If i buy the gtx card i will go for the 192core version,Becouse the 216 is so overpriced in my country,as for GTX275 i just checked the price it seems the gtx275 costs about 25% more than the GTX460,i could get the 275 but i heard its power hungry card,as for the gtx460 it is cheaper and more faster,but i have just 3 problems i need to know if the GTX260 192 Core Version is the same as HD5770 1GB?,next i need to think should i get the GTX460 becouse there is only gigabyte version i dont like it... also i really need one whit a small fan like EVGA has but my country dosent sell EVGA GTX460 only Gigabyte,third i have problems deciding to get one of those 3 cards ,all i need to know at this moment is the GTX260 192 core version Same as HD5770?

 

[jyjjy]

The HD5770 is on par with the GTX 260 216 in performance and better than it in every other way. The 192 core GTX 260 is worse than either. He is talking about a specific sale he spotted in the US because he didn't bother to read the thread so just forget about the GTX 275. Not sure why anyone would buy one for $180 anyway when the GTX 460 is DX11, uses less power and overclocks better for only $20 more.

 

[fan]

The HD5770 is on par with the GTX 260 216 in performance and better than it in every other way. The 192 core GTX 260 is worse than either. He is talking about a specific sale he spotted in the US because he didn't bother to read the thread so just forget about the GTX 275. Not sure why anyone would buy one for $180 anyway when the GTX 460 is DX11, uses less power and overclocks better for only $20 more.

well i dont overclock Video cards so i dont care about overclocking video cards,so you are saying the 192 gtx260 is worse than the 216 version and the radeon HD5770?

 

[jyjjy]

Yes.
Why not overclock a video card? It is easy to do and very effective on the GTX 460. You can easily raise it's speed 30%.

 

[fan]

Yes.
Why not overclock a video card? It is easy to do and very effective on the GTX 460. You can easily raise it's speed 30%.

about video card deciding okay since u say its slower than the both cards since im not gonna get the 216 core version it leaves me deciding the hd5770 or the gtx460.

i dont overclock videocards becouse if i do i need to raise its speed thats the problem if i raise too much its gonna be loud and i want it quiet as my old 9800gt at 25speed its really quiet no one almost can hear the sound at 25% speed but only if i lower the speed at 39% which was stock speed it was a little bit loud.


i know how to overclock videocards alot more than CPUS but i dont do VGA overclocks since heat rises and i must put alot higher speed and it will be probably loud.

and if i may ask is it possible to overclock a HD5770 to be as GTX260 216 stock speed?

 

[jyjjy]

You can't generalize from one card to another. The fan on your 9800GT is the fan on your 9800GT. It will not be in your new system so you should not make any sort of decisions based on a fan that has nothing to do with your new computer. If you actually follow our advice on what cards have quiet and effective coolers than you don't need to worry about noise.

 

[jyjjy]

and if i may ask is it possible to overclock a HD5770 to be as GTX260 216 stock speed?

I just told you the HD5770 is equal in performance to the GTX 260 216 so your question makes no sense.

 

[fan]

I just told you the HD5770 is equal in performance to the GTX 260 216 so your question makes no sense.

yes you replied to the other guy about the hd5770 drivers so it means he was saying the hd5770 is slower whit the old drivers? the new ones make the hd5770 equal to the gtx260 core 216?

 

[jyjjy]

Yes, I believe what he is saying applies to the initial drivers.
It doesn't matter anyway. If you reread his post he stated that the HD5770 tends to beat the GTX 260 at lower resolutions and you have a lower resolution monitor.

 

[fan]

Yes, I believe what he is saying applies to the initial drivers.
It doesn't matter anyway. If you reread his post he stated that the HD5770 tends to beat the GTX 260 at lower resolutions and you have a lower resolution monitor.

GTX260 is slower than HD5770 on 1280x1024?

and on any resulotion HD5770 is same as the GTX260?

 

[jyjjy]

I'm merely pointing out what he actually said and how it would apply to your situation if he is right. I'm not saying I agree with it.

 

[fan]

I'm merely pointing out what he actually said and how it would apply to your situation if he is right. I'm not saying I agree with it.

also heard that the gtx460 is very noisy

 

[jyjjy]

Where

 

[fan]

Where

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_460_1_GB/35.html

 

[jyjjy]

Yeah, that card and also the Palit card have a cooler that is supposedly quite noisy. All you need to do is avoid those cards. If you look at the three other GTX 460 reviews on that site you'll see quiet listed in the pros section.
If you'll remember we already recommended cards that are quiet but you wouldn't believe us about those. FYI it is more how fast the fan spins that determines how noisy it will be rather than the size of the fan(among other things.) In fact a larger fan(or two of them) allows the cooler to do its job without having the fans spin that fast. This is why you are exactly wrong about your preference for smaller fans and why we recommend cards with larger ones if you want something both quiet and effective.

 

[fan]

Yeah, that card and also the Palit card have a cooler that is supposedly quite noisy. All you need to do is avoid those cards. If you look at the three other GTX 460 reviews on that site you'll see quiet listed in the pros section.
If you'll remember we already recommended cards that are quiet but you wouldn't believe us about those. FYI it is more how fast the fan spins that determines how noisy it will be rather than the size of the fan(among other things.) In fact a larger fan(or two of them) allows the cooler to do its job without having the fans spin that fast. This is why you are exactly wrong about your preference for smaller fans and why we recommend cards with larger ones if you want something both quiet and effective.

well seems that the EVGA should be not so noisy,if i find the evga one ill buy it but if i dont ill think about the gigabyte one..... if not that ill buy the 5770,not only i heard its noisy fan but also i heard it gets kinda hot on idle.

 

[jyjjy]

You cant generalize like I said early. Depending on which version of the card by which manufacturer the cooler will be entirely different. Look for reviews of the specific card you are considering to learn how loud or effective the cooler is.
Another good source is newegg. Even though you cant order from there the cards tend to have a lot of customer reviews and they will often mention whether they thought the card was quiet or noisy. For example here is the gigabyte card with the two large fans you fear so
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=14-125-333
It has 79 customer reviews. Many people go out of their way to comment on how quiet the card is and not a single person says the opposite. I wouldn't take individual reviews very seriously as there are a lot of idiots out there and people do occasionally get a defective card but when there is a large consensus like the one I just pointed out it is likely to be accurate.

 

[fan]

You cant generalize like I said early. Depending on which version of the card by which manufacturer the cooler will be entirely different. Look for reviews of the specific card you are considering to learn how loud or effective the cooler is.
Another good source is newegg. Even though you cant order from there the cards tend to have a lot of customer reviews and they will often mention whether they thought the card was quiet or noisy. For example here is the gigabyte card with the two large fans you fear so
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=14-125-333
It has 79 customer reviews. Many people go out of their way to comment on how quiet the card is and not a single person says the opposite. I wouldn't take individual reviews very seriously as there are a lot of idiots out there and people do occasionally get a defective card but when there is a large consensus like the one I just pointed out it is likely to be accurate.

well i dont really care if its so quieter than the small fans if it dosent have a buzzing sound from it like my 9800 had its no problem ,althrought i do read some stuff from newegg when i need to,that website only ships to United States And Canada if im right.

 

[fan]

also about XFX Radeon 5000 series cards,the backplates starts from the HD5870 would of been good to do from the 5000 series to 5970 so they would have all backplates,only seems that backplates only has VGAS from 5870 to 5970

 

[jyjjy]

Why do you want a card with a backplate again?