GTX 480/470 Discussion Thread.

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AMW1011

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I figured I would start this thread since someone has to.

We have seen 3 good reviews (there are others, but they are done poorly):
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-480,2585.html
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-470-480-review/
http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3783

Summary:
They all have similar conclusions and performance results. The GTX 480 is 10-15% faster than the 5870 on average. The GTX 470 is only about 5% slower than the 5870 on average. Both cards gain a respective lead of about 10% when heavy tessellation is being used, and I mean heavy. The GTX 480 is the single most power hungry card on the market, even a little more so than the GTX 295. The GTX 470 is a bit better at a slightly higher power consumption than the 5870. Both cards run ridiculously hot, in excess of 90-95c but have very nice, quiet coolers that can have their fans turned up to keep the temps in the 80s with minimal noise increase. Neither overclock as well as the 5870 or 5850, but they come close and with voltage modification might be on-par, though the thermals are still a problem. The GTX 480 is priced at $500 which accounts for a large "high-end" price premium, while the GTX 470 is $350. The BETA drivers are good, not one reviewer ran into a problem and the SLI scaling seems pretty tight so they are pretty well supported, but may not get much of a boost with future drivers.

I think that summarizes everything, now what's your opinions on these cards?

My opinion:

While not a bad card, the GTX 480 is not priced the greatest It has a full $80-$100, at first glance, it isn't bad for being the fastest single-GPU card on the market. However, when you enter the power consumption, heat, and less overclock-ability than the competition, though slight, it really can't afford such a premium. I think the GTX 480 would be a good card at $450, a great card at $400 (right beside the 5870).

The GTX 470 on the other hand, is a different story. It's power consumption, while still behind the competition, is a good deal more palatable. It also provides very similar performance as the 5870 for $50 less. With the 5870 at $400, it is hard to recommend over the $50 cheaper and very similar performing GTX 470, unless the power consumption and heat are major factors. All in all, I think the GTX 470 is a great card and a damn good deal.

I am excited to see what ATI does now. The 2GB variant of the 5870 likely won't match the GTX 480, but if it comes in at $450 or less it should come close enough to make it a far better deal than the GTX 480.

Also, the 5970 is unbeaten and is the undisputed fastest card on the market now. When the 512 SP variant of Fermi (GTX 490 or w/e) comes out, assuming it does, it will likely come close or beat the 5970. However, ATI may still have options, though we shall see how that pans out.

All in all, I'm content with the GTX 480 and impressed with the GTX 470, but neither are game changers and both are very late. At the end of the day, they are much better cards than I had expected them being.
 
I agree with AMW1011. They are decent hards there are better alternatives to the GTX 480. An overclocked HD 5870 1ghz core can easily surpass even a GTX 480's overclocking benchmarks. The fact that the GTX 480 already runs incredibly hot at 90c+ under load is a huge turn off for overclockers. Maybe they should have used water cooling blocks instead....

I am not disappointed as I saw this coming from a mile away, however I know I will be disappointed at the amount of people who will get pick up the GTX 480 (GTX 470 is priced decently) for reasons such as: Misinformed, biased thinking (fan boys), subliminal advertising (marketing), etc.

My suggest GTX 480 retail: $450 with a voucher for free over-night shipping when your card eventually melts from the heat Sorry but I had to.. 96c cmon..
GTX 470: It's fine where it is. No voucher needed. IOU's not wanted however...
 


Actually it has. If you look at Techpowerup at the OC stage. Or was it AnAnd's?
 
I think this was pretty much what was to be expected. Yes, at stock the Nvidia card might slightly overpower the 5870 but for $100 more. Is it worth it, probably not.

I think this killed everyone's hopes for a price drop and an ATI refresh
 
well, i dont know about good and bad review sites, but i got my first dose of fermi from TPU, i checked out guru3d also, as they are the only sites who do reviews in a format i really easily understand

i was really disappointed by this card, it is a great card, but it just seems like its too much effort for something that really fails to impress, it feels like this card was meant for production on 32/28nm, nvidia got scared of 5xxx's success and decided, eff it, well do it now, that tdp is really disappointing to say the least, frankly i expected more, and mainstream cards wont be available for quite a while,

nVidia fanbois, if there was ever a time to support ur team its now theyre gonna need it, gtx 480 tri sli, sauna in my room!!!
 
Lol keep posting your favourite BC2 link OvrClkr.

Here's mine -
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Oh my that looks a bit more like anands now doesnt it?
 


Well if you look at anands bench you will see that the 5830 is on par with the 480, so that tells you that there is something wrong heh?

PC games hardware is a legit source, i doubt they are "fixing" the benches :lol:

The 5830 is half a 5850, how in the world is the GTX 480 going to be on par with a 5830???
 


Why? The way I see it, this is one of those games that favours ATI. The 480 can overtake the 5970 in Dirt 2 at low resolution, so why can't the 5830 almost beat the gtx480 in BC2?
 


I never said that Fermi would beat the 5970, we all know for a fact that a single GPU cannot compete with a dual GPU.

I can care less if the 5970 is faster, I am not looking to buy a dual GPU card. And def. not spending 700.00$ I have been waiting for the 470 for quite sometime because I wanted to see what it offered vs. the 5850, IMO Anands review is wack, we are seeing different numbers from different sites using different hardware. At 350.00$ the 470 is not a bad card, well at least IMO it aint, if you disagree then good for you I am happy with this launch and this is all that matters to me 😉
 
Of course you're happy, it's easy to be blinded by fanboyism even when the truth is clear.

This is a *disaster*. Why would you buy a 470 instead of a 5850? Why??? There is *no good reason at all* to do that, except you want to be fleeced by Nvidia.
 
No, Jenny .. again, if you look at anands BC2 bench you will see where it shows the 480 SLI trailing the 5970 by a HUGE margin, common sense tells you that is not accurate at all. You want to trust a website that puts the 5830 right with Fermi, then go ahead be my guest =)
 


Here another biased review, this time it shows the 5850 and the 470 on par "equal", so who do we believe :lol:

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-470-480-review/16




 
The card and range i care about is the 470 for $400. I made a seperate post but if you look at fps while AA is on( which anyone looking at these cards is gonna do) these are the numbers from Tom's review

stalker
1680x 1050
5870 - 57.67
470- 53.3

1920 x 1200
5870- 46.55
470- 43.17

2560 x 1600
5870 - 26.4
470- 28.22

battlefield
1680 x 1050
5870- 71.8
470- 76.11

1920 x 1200
5870- 61.66
470- 62.85

2560 x 1600
5870- 41.96
470 - 39.04

call of duty
1680 x 1050
5870- 111.37
470- 127.35

1920 x 1200
5870- 100.75
470- 109

2560 x 1600
5870-77.37
470- 75.04

dirt
1680 x 1050
5870- 82.9
470- 90.1

1920 x 1200
5870- 75.4
470- 79.7

2560 x 1600
5870- 58.7
470- 55.1

crysis
1680 x 1050
5870-38.28
470- 30.28

1920 x 1200
5870- 31,74
470- 24.33

2560 x 1600
5870- 15.84
470- 14.31
 
You want to trust a website that doesn't even benchmark a 5970 compared to probably *the* most respected tech website there is.

SLI drivers will be very immature, especially for a recently released game like BC2. That's why the 5970 is well ahead.

That still doesn't explain the poor performance of the 480, but it's there - and it's not the only site that shows the 5870 either beating or being close to it in performance.
 
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