Gtx 780 ti vs. 980

[Jakez2012]

Coming into this I have made up my mind. I believe right now that there is no value in a nearly $600 gtx 980 when it gives little to no gaming benefits and is like searching for gold to find one. Right now I can get a asus dcu2 gtx 780ti for $410! Also with the money saved I can buy a 1440p monitor almost. I need someone to either confirm with me or explain what I might have missed.

 

[byza]

For the price i'd go with the 780 ti.

 

[frag06]

Coming into this I have made up my mind. I believe right now that there is no value in a nearly $600 gtx 980 when it gives little to no gaming benefits and is like searching for gold to find one. Right now I can get a asus dcu2 gtx 780ti for $410! Also with the money saved I can buy a 1440p monitor almost. I need someone to either confirm with me or explain what I might have missed.

A 780 Ti for that price is a good deal. If you can get a good OC on it, you should be able to surpass the 980's performance by a good margin.

You'll miss out on MFAA, the lower power consumption and heat output, but if you are OK with that, then you may as well buy it.

The 780 Ti is still a great card, and for $400, it's a good deal.

 

[aubrey08]

I own a 780Ti and im pist you can get it at that price.

 

[JackNaylorPE]

The same question applies when buying a 2014 car today .... it's last year's model so the value of your investment should you decide to sell it, the value is less .... and while the oft quoted statement that a 780 Ti can be OC's to perform like a 980 and even better, let's not forget that a 980 can be overclocked too.....and also .... a $350 970 can be overclocked to faster than a 780 Ti to.

The 980 is in fact a better OC'er and it also scales a bit better. You also have to consider the difference in cost between PSU's, especially if considering SLI (+150 watts).

There's also a reason why the Asus 780 Ti is the cheapest, it's the lowest rated (techpowerup) and lowest performer of the 780 Ti's

Asus 780 Ti = 954 Mhz / 1020 Boost / 7000 Mem
MSI 780 Ti = 1020 Mhz / 1085 Boost / 7000 Mem
Gigabyte 780 Ti = 1020 Mhz / 1085 Boost / 7000 Mem
EVGA 780 Ti = 1006 Mhz / 1071 Boost / 7000 Mem

Now I am not making the argument that at $410 the Asus 780 Ti isn't a great buy ... it's a very attractive for the difference in performance and if you are the type that keeps a card till it dies or system retired, I'd be hard pressed to make an argument against it. If you are the type that sells a card and upgrades in 18 months, then, it's a less attractive path.

 

[Jakez2012]

The same question applies when buying a 2014 car today .... it's last year's model so the value of your investment should you decide to sell it, the value is less .... and while the oft quoted statement that a 780 Ti can be OC's to perform like a 980 and even better, let's not forget that a 980 can be overclocked too.....and also .... a $350 970 can be overclocked to faster than a 780 Ti to.

The 980 is in fact a better OC'er and it also scales a bit better. You also have to consider the difference in cost between PSU's, especially if considering SLI (+150 watts).

There's also a reason why the Asus 780 Ti is the cheapest, it's the lowest rated (techpowerup) and lowest performer of the 780 Ti's

Asus 780 Ti = 954 Mhz / 1020 Boost / 7000 Mem
MSI 780 Ti = 1020 Mhz / 1085 Boost / 7000 Mem
Gigabyte 780 Ti = 1020 Mhz / 1085 Boost / 7000 Mem
EVGA 780 Ti = 1006 Mhz / 1071 Boost / 7000 Mem

Now I am not making the argument that at $410 the Asus 780 Ti isn't a great buy ... it's a very attractive for the difference in performance and if you are the type that keeps a card till it dies or system retired, I'd be hard pressed to make an argument against it. If you are the type that sells a card and upgrades in 18 months, then, it's a less attractive path.

You are defiantly correct with 90% of what you have responded with and are obviously staying up to date with these cards. This is what I have recieved out of your response. The price shows quality of card which I totally agree with and that the silence and low power draw of these cards is very prevalent compared to maxwell.

The only errors or things that you didn't obviously know that applies to me are the 970 comparisons which sadly is untrue. I agree the 970 is the "best bang for buck" Maxwell card but it is designed to come neck and neck with 780 and not with 780 ti. These next two things you defiantly wouldn't know about my next build. They are I adore the cards design and am creating a blackout themed build that will possibly hold this card. Also you said price of psu will be affected and I personally never come close to estimated draw. I am using either an evga g2 750 or 850 depending on price just encase.

Don't take any offense. Just trying to defend my point just as you!
Thnx for advice.

 

[JackNaylorPE]

I was referring to the issue of comparing one overclocked card with the next one up the chain at stock. The overclocked 780 Ti was stated to be "as fast as a 980" at stock. My point is that the 980 can be overclocked too. And I added that the 970 overclocked can be overclocked to equal or faster than a 780 Ti....

I agree that at stock the 970 can best be compared with the stock 780 card .... but that is not the statement I made. And if we both agree to that statement, we must therefore agree to my other point as the overclocked 780 is is comparable to a 780 Ti. Therefore the overclocked 970 must also be equivalent to a stock 780 Ti. This is borne out by the test results.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_970_gaming_review,26.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/msi-geforce-gtx-780-ti-gaming-review,27.html

Hitman Absolution - 780 Ti (65 fps) and 970 overclock (89 fps) *
Bioshock - 780 Ti (122 fps) and 970 overclock (122 fps)
Tomb Raider - 780 Ti (143 fps) and 970 overclock (144 fps)

* that one seems odd

 

[Jakez2012]

I was referring to the issue of comparing one overclocked card with the next one up the chain at stock. The overclocked 780 Ti was stated to be "as fast as a 980" at stock. My point is that the 980 can be overclocked too. And I added that the 970 overclocked can be overclocked to equal or faster than a 780 Ti....

I agree that at stock the 970 can best be compared with the stock 780 card .... but that is not the statement I made. And if we both agree to that statement, we must therefore agree to my other point as the overclocked 780 is is comparable to a 780 Ti. Therefore the overclocked 970 must also be equivalent to a stock 780 Ti. This is borne out by the test results.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_970_gaming_review,26.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/msi-geforce-gtx-780-ti-gaming-review,27.html

Hitman Absolution - 780 Ti (65 fps) and 970 overclock (89 fps) *
Bioshock - 780 Ti (122 fps) and 970 overclock (122 fps)
Tomb Raider - 780 Ti (143 fps) and 970 overclock (144 fps)

* that one seems odd

I can now say I heavily agree with you, I hadn't realized how much better a good oc card performs than a lesser one. This goes with why the asus might not be the best and I now realize that. To compare results I suggests you watch Linus Tech Tips video: https: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqz4tDM6Wl8
This shows results of a better oc 780ti to a more average 970 compared to the results you showed.This just show how much a good oc can affect performance. Thank you for warning of the issues I might face before I rushed the purchase.

 

[frag06]

I was referring to the issue of comparing one overclocked card with the next one up the chain at stock. The overclocked 780 Ti was stated to be "as fast as a 980" at stock. My point is that the 980 can be overclocked too. And I added that the 970 overclocked can be overclocked to equal or faster than a 780 Ti....

I agree that at stock the 970 can best be compared with the stock 780 card .... but that is not the statement I made. And if we both agree to that statement, we must therefore agree to my other point as the overclocked 780 is is comparable to a 780 Ti. Therefore the overclocked 970 must also be equivalent to a stock 780 Ti. This is borne out by the test results.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_970_gaming_review,26.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/msi-geforce-gtx-780-ti-gaming-review,27.html

Hitman Absolution - 780 Ti (65 fps) and 970 overclock (89 fps) *
Bioshock - 780 Ti (122 fps) and 970 overclock (122 fps)
Tomb Raider - 780 Ti (143 fps) and 970 overclock (144 fps)

* that one seems odd

I can now say I heavily agree with you, I hadn't realized how much better a good oc card performs than a lesser one. This goes with why the asus might not be the best and I now realize that. To compare results I suggests you watch Linus Tech Tips video: https: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqz4tDM6Wl8
This shows results of a better oc 780ti to a more average 970 compared to the results you showed.This just show how much a good oc can affect performance. Thank you for warning of the issues I might face before I rushed the purchase.

Oh man, not Linus! I've never understood why people watch his videos, they are just so vague.

While I agree that a nice OC on a 980 will beat many 780 Ti's, that isn't the case everytime. GK110 scales better, so a high OC on a 780 Ti can match or come close to an overclocked 980. It all depends on how much of an OC you can get on your 780 Ti and 980, though.

Some people seem to think the 780 Ti lost it's great performance or something, but for around $400 it's still a good deal. OC it and you can get very close to or match an overclocked 980 (from what we have seen so far, drivers may change this a bit), so you may lose a few FPS, but you are paying ~$200 less.

 

[JackNaylorPE]

I can now say I heavily agree with you, I hadn't realized how much better a good oc card performs than a lesser one. This goes with why the asus might not be the best and I now realize that. To compare results I suggests you watch Linus Tech Tips video: https: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqz4tDM6Wl8
This shows results of a better oc 780ti to a more average 970 compared to the results you showed.This just show how much a good oc can affect performance. Thank you for warning of the issues I might face before I rushed the purchase.

I disagree with Linus a lot but one thing I have to compliment him on is the "apples and apples" comparisons ..... he's one of the few sites who published data detailing why the 290x was not in fact faster than the 780. The 290x was very aggressively OC's in the box leaving very little headroom for overclocking. When both were overclocked "bawlz to the wall", the 780 proved to be the faster card.

Keep in mind that when we see web sites doing OCs they tend to be a bit conservative....they don't want users copying the settings and then having problems I guess.... when i have done it myself, I have always been "luckier' than 95% of the reviews. I never did hit the 30% OC that some sites got on the 560 Ti.

Here they got the MSI to 1567 ... 100+ over where Linus got the Strix..... 3 of the 4 detailed reviews I have read "cover to cover" broke 1500....

HighTech legion's video review and graphs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vuh132EsuA

MSI has done a fine job of late .... thru the 5xx and 6xx series I used Asus exclusively. With the 7xx series early on I was using Asus for the 780s and MSI for the 760 / 770s .... then MSI retooled the 780 and I switched to MSI for the air cooled builds and used MSI / Asus for water.

Better than average performance doesn't arise out of a vacuum. If ya read the Bit-ech 970 roundup article, the reasons between the Asus and MSI card's performance becomes readily apparent. Both the component selection and how things are cooled vary significantly.

Item - Asus / MSI
Componentry
Power Delivery - 6+1 / 6 + 2
Mil Spec - No / Yes
Caps - Super Alloy / Hi-c CAP / Solid CAP
Chokes - Standard / Super Ferrite

Cooling
No. of Fans - (2) 92mm / (2) 100m
Passive Fan Mode - Yes / Yes
Fan Control - Joint / Independent
PCB Memory - None / Ther. Pads / Contact Plate
Memory Moffset - None / Ther. Pads / Con. Plate
Power Circuitry - Heat Sink / Ther. Pads / Con. Plate
VRM Controllers - None / Ther. Pads / Con. Plate
Heat Pipes - 3 (1 x 10mm, 2 x 8mm) / 4 (2 x 8mm, 2 x 6mm)
Direct Memory Cooling No / Partial

The 780 To overclocked fits niocely between the 970 and 980.... though closer tot he 870 than the 980

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_970_gaming_review,26.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_980_gaming_oc_review,26.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_780_ti_gaming_review,28.html

Test - 970 / 780 Ti / 980

Core Clock - 1325 / 1095 / 1386
Boost Clock - 1501 / 1238 / 1537
Memory - - 8002 / 7798 / 7948

Hitman Absolution - 89 / 66 / 102
Bioshock Infinite - 122 / 105 / 140
Tomb Raider - 144 / 158 / 170
Firestrike - 11309 / 11543 / 11831