GTX 970 coil whine fixes

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I just got a EVGA GTX 970 SSC and it has a bit of coil whine. It's not horrible and I hear many 970's have it so I'm reluctant to RMA it and get something worse.

I read online that running the card at full load for 24-48 hours can fix it. I am currently doing that.

In case that doesn't work I read that changing the voltage of the card might help. I read that overclocking the card doesn't void the warranty until you change the voltage. I wanted to know if there was any way the manufacturer could find out that I increased the voltage?

Also this is somewhat unrelated but I thought I'd ask while I was here. My latest overclock does fine on Crysis 3, Watchdogs, Shadow of Mordor, Witcher 3, Metro Last Light, Dragon Age Inquisition, Heaven Benchmark, and Valley Benchmark. The majority of the time it is at full GPU load% during these tasks. When I run Furmark it usually crashes though. Is this something to worry about?

I appreciate your help.
 
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Seems like +25mV is what a lot of people are comfortable with in an aggressive overclock. And yes, I have that exact same PSU but no coil noise from either GPU (that CX750M was given to me, and I've been watching it closely...I would never have bought one). So we have the same GPU and PSU, and I don't have the noise on either of my cards. Head scratch....:??:

''I just got a EVGA GTX 970 SSC and it has a bit of coil whine. It's not horrible ''and I hear many 970's have it'' so I'm reluctant to RMA it and get something worse.''

this is where I wonder way you buy it in the first place ? that's like buying a 970 today and then complain about the 3.5 memory thing as well? go figure ?

If you've already worked your way though our GTX 980 review, then you'll know that unlike that card, Nvidia is not producing a reference model of the GTX 970, the second enthusiast-grade Maxwell part that replaces the GTX 770 in the product stack. The images on this page do not reflect a ready to buy product. Instead, Nvidia's AICs will be able to purchase the GPU and memory chips, but after that it's up to them, and this will undoubtedly lead to a high degree of variability when it comes to PCB and cooler design as well as factory overclocks. [bit-tech.net]


Furthermore, as we mentioned in our GTX 980 review, GTX 970 has been a pure virtual (no reference card) launch, which means all of NVIDIA’s partners are launching their custom cards right out of the gate. A lot of these have been recycled or otherwise only slightly modified GTX 700/600 series designs, owing to the fact that GM204’s memory bus has been held at 256-bits and its power requirements are so low.
[Anandtech .com]

when you read stuff like that on a card at least for me says ''stay away'' on top of all the rest reported in like from you here from its first release . [its a no brainer ] ... [ opinion]

all you can do is look around at the 100's of tricks tried to prevent it and hope you find one that may work out ??

I would rma with evga and use there steap up program and get a 980 [a real true NVidia card]

http://www.evga.com/support/stepup/
 
Which SSC model? I have two of them in SLI, the SSC Gaming ACX 2.0+ (model# ends in 3975). Older dual-fan ACX EVGA 970s did have a high rate of coil whine complaints, but the new ACX 2.0 variants have reduced that significantly.

Regarding your overclock, what MHz are you upping your core and memory? In Aftterburner, I have my core on both cards upped 130MHz and memory upped 180MHz on stock voltage for an effective core / boost / memory speed of 1320MHz / 1472MHz / 7725MHz. That's the highest I could go on stock voltage without artifacts and crashes.

If your card is only crashing on Furmark but not on games, I'm not sure what the issue is if your games are running the card at near 100% as well.
 
It is the one with the model number ending in 3975. I have the core increased by 125MHz and the memory clock increased by 450MHz with stock voltage but my power limit is at 110%. The max clock speed is 1542MHz.
 


It is the one with the model number ending in 3975. I have the core increased by 125MHz and the memory clock increased by 450MHz with stock voltage but my power limit is at 110%. The max clock speed is 1542MHz.

 


If the burn in doesn't work I probably will. I just read some horror stories of people who had 8 cards with coil whine and they even changed the majority of parts on their PC multiple times. I guess the good news from that is they were able to RMA it 8 times.
 


I already spent more money than I wanted to. The 980 is out of my price range. 90 days is a long time though so I would love to get a GTX 1070 if Pascal is released by then. Hopefully it won't cost much more than I spent on the 970.

 


Overclocking our already factory overclocked 970s gets them to 980 speeds anyway ( http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2015/05/08/evga-geforce-gtx-970-ssc-acx-2-0-review/9 ).

Do you still get the same issues (coil whine, crashing on Furmark) while running everything at SSC stock speeds?
 


I dunno man, Nvidia as been on the x70/x80 nomenclature since the 4xx days. Kinda reminds me of Boeing and their 7x7 numbering. Of course they will run out of that with whatever the 797 will be. :lol:

 


I still get coil whine at stock speeds. I am running Furmark now. I couldn't get to 10 minutes before but I'm about 4 minutes in now.
I increased the voltage by 20 and 30 but still got coil whine in the Heaven Benchmark. I don't know if the voltage actually increased though. At stock voltage the max core clock would be 1542 but at 20 AND 30 it went up to 1555. When I looked in HWMonitor though the max voltage was still 1.000V but I don't know if that is the correct measurement.

Thanks for the help. I will post my furmark results in 5-10 minutes.

UPDATE: It is not crashing at stock speeds in furmark but the coil whine is still present.
 


My stock voltage in HWMonitor is 1.018V under load, and 0.868V at idle. But if the coil whine is still there, you may want to try RMA'ing it. BTW....you never did state what PSU you had.
 
Also, I always post what coil whine is on these topics:

Coil whine usually doesn't affect either the PSU's or the components' operation, at least not to a measurable degree, since the resonant frequencies are typically such that they're easily damped in other components, such as capacitors and other filter coils. I believe all manufacturers are actually aware of this issue, and are doing what they can to deal with it, most of the time.

Namely, there are three ways coil whine will develop. There's "self-whine" to which every coil under the Sun is susceptible (including various types of transformers) by it's very nature, and there's resonant/induced whine, which is a byproduct of resonance between VRMs on the motherboard and/or the graphics card, and the PSU's coil(s) and/or transformer(s). Let me elaborate further:

As the current passes through a coil, it creates a magnetic field, which in turn induces a current in the coil such that it tends to cancel out the change in the initial current. So if there's a constant 1A through a coil, then it jumps to 1.1A, the change in magnetic field will induce a current of -0.1A (meaning 0.1A in the opposite direction), restoring the net flow to 1A. This is how coils remove unwanted ripple/noise from the DC output of a PSU, or a DC input into a VRM.

Both the length of the coiling wire and the coil loop diameter are parts of the inductance equation, and are a variable just like the inductance is, and not constants. Well, theoretically they are constants for a given coil when it's effective inductance is calculated, but in real world, where approximations amount to a wrong result, the coil will shrink and expand under the influence of magnetostriction.

Self-whine or coil noise can be twofold - physical and electrical.

Physically, high frequency switching used in PSUs (50-150 kHz) will make the coil vibrate (from all the rapidly succeeding shrinking and expanding) at a lesser frequency, typically from one quarter to one eight of the switching frequency. This is sometimes well inside the audible range (~20 Hz - ~20 kHz, typically 30 - 18k). The lower frequency vibrations are a consequence of the finite velocity of current (rather, electrons) and the finite speed of expansion/shrinkage propagation through the coil. Not only that, but both the wire and the core are shrinking/expanding, and at a different rate and amplitude, so until everything aligns properly (rate and speed of shape change with the rate of propagation of the deformations), there will be no audible vibrations. This is part of the story.

Electrically, as the coil loops are moving and the core changes shape, both travel inside a varying magnetic field, which causes additional self-induced currents to appear. These are mostly damped out by other filtering elements, due to their very low magnitude and their relatively high frequency, but sometimes they manage to get to an amplifier in a sound card, for example, and show up as audible noise in the sound (sub)system. Additionally, every coil is a (poor) antenna for high-frequency signals (voltage changes), and it radiates those signals out into wires and PCB traces. There they are induced back from electromagnetic emissions into current and possibly amplified as per above.

The kicker is that physical noise can (and does, in larger inductors) cause electrical noise, and vice-versa. Further, any wire or other form of conductor (like a PCB trace) is also an inductor, albeit a poor one.

Resonant whine can develop between any two oscillatory systems, which coils are all by themselves, as is practically any circuit that contains them. VRM circuits on motherboards, graphics cards, hard drives, etc. pretty much always contain at least one. In order to have an electrical oscillator, you need an inductor and a capacitor. All inductors are also (poor) capacitors, and this doesn't present a problem at low frequencies, because they "see" capacitors as open circuits. Self-capacitance is a problem at high frequencies, exactly the situations where you'd want to use coils in the first place... When two coupled coils (either connected via wires and traces or magnetically coupled, or when the EM radiation of one permeates the other) reach very similar electrical self-noise frequency, the parasitic signals they produce may be (and usually are) amplified exponentially. This can, in rare cases, actually pollute the DC input/output, and there are actual cases in practice. There are some Sirfa-made PSUs in which simply moving output wires away from a regulator coil makes the PSU output voltage significantly less noisy. I still consider this a rarity, though, and it can be solved by putting a simple EMI shield (a piece of isolated metal sheet) around the offending coil or between it and the "polluted" area.

Coil whine can be lessened to an acceptable degree with a relatively simple fix. Just dampen the physical side of it by gluing or caulking down the coil, so that it's vibrations are absorbed. Another way is changing the current/voltage frequency, which is never easy, as it affects the electrical design of the device in question, or use a different coil. This could be a coil made of different materials, or of a different size, or even a different shape. I've seen coils made in the shape of the number 8 (or the infinity sign, if you need to be geeky about it), that produce significantly less noise than standard toroidal coils. I can't say how much this would add to the price, however. And let's not forget that transformers are, in effect, simply big-ass coils, and their whiny nature is much harder to deal with...

As for why coil whine would develop in time, instead of right from the get-go, well... Perhaps the dampening glue/caulk "breaks in"? Or maybe the coils very slightly change their basic (at-rest) shape, such that their resonance pattern shifts into the audible range? Who knows, it's a very complex phenomenon.
 


Seems like +25mV is what a lot of people are comfortable with in an aggressive overclock. And yes, I have that exact same PSU but no coil noise from either GPU (that CX750M was given to me, and I've been watching it closely...I would never have bought one). So we have the same GPU and PSU, and I don't have the noise on either of my cards. Head scratch....:??:

 
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Well you still helped me out a lot. Now I know I don't need a new Power Supply. The voltage change didn't work so if this burn in doesn't work either I may just RMA it. I appreciate your help.
 
Well I have a MSI GTX 970 4GB and use to have it powered by a CX 500w bronze and is kinda whined when unvsynced but now I have a EVGA G2 550 w Gold and I don't hear any whining really just the fans speeding up now and then. The card is actually really quiet.
 


Turn off your case fans if you can and get the case noise as quiet as possible. At idle the card shouldn't even have the fans in idle on unless you manually turn them on in Afterburner (or Precision X, whichever you are using). One of the great passive cooling features I love about these cards...no need to have GPU fans on if it's just idling doing no work.

I assume you are outside of the return-to-store policy of that PSU and you'd need to RMA through Corsair. That's a long process and time to be without a PSU. If you have the budget, get an EVGA G2-series PSU like this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438017 , or even better for just another $10 upgrade to the 850W variant http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438018 , then RMA that Corsair and keep it for a backup PSU.

If my CX750M goes freaky, I'll get the EVGA 850 G2....

 

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