GTX 970 upgrade running worse than previous setup.

[Mudrucker]

Recently updated my entire PC. New CPU, Motherboard, GPU, PSU, SSD, already had decent ram. My games run worse than they did before, and my entire PC seems slugish. Games take forever to launch. On my old setup League of Legends ran flawlessly without a single drop in FPS ever, and now with my brand new setup i get frame drops extremely frequently, not to mention the slow load times. I mainly upgraded my PC in order to run Black Desert Online better, my old PC struggled to run that game on medium, after my new hardware put in i was expecting to run on Ultra no problem, however im still running on medium with only the slightest improvement, i went form 30-40 FPS but im reading about people with the same setup getting 60 on ULTRA!

My GPU drivers seem to be up to date. My PC cannot run NVIDIA Control Panel, it stalls and crashes and does not work.

Here is my new speccy with my new parts:

Operating System
Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
CPU
AMD FX-8350 10 °C
Vishera 32nm Technology
RAM
16.0GB Single-Channel DDR3 @ 533MHz (8-8-8-20)
Motherboard
MSI 970 GAMING (MS-7693) (CPU 1) 14 °C
Graphics
ASUS VH238 (1920x1080@60Hz)
VA912-3SERIES (1280x1024@60Hz)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 (MSI) 31 °C
Storage
465GB Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB (SSD) 25 °C
931GB Western Digital WDC WD1002FAEX-00Z3A0 (SATA) 28 °C
Optical Drives
ASUS BC-12B1ST a
Audio
Realtek High Definition Audio

 

[basroil]

Let me guess, you went from AMD to Nvidia? You need to reinstall your drivers and make sure the old ones are gone. In fact, since you replaced so much, you need to do a full system reinstall, starting with Windows.


And list your PSU

 

[Mudrucker]

Let me guess, you went from AMD to Nvidia? You need to reinstall your drivers and make sure the old ones are gone. In fact, since you replaced so much, you need to do a full system reinstall, starting with Windows.


And list your PSU

PSU is a Corsair CX750M

i will check for old drivers now!

 

[basroil]

CX750m is not really suggested for high transient cards like the 970 since that thing falls well outside ATX ripple specs and even gets close to failing ATX specs entirely (http://hardocp.com/article/2015/01/21/corsair_cx750_750w_power_supply_review/7#.VvDkUr6LnmE , transient produces a peak of about 2.5%, much higher than the average of ~1% good PSUs get)

 

[joshyboy82]

Let me guess, you went from AMD to Nvidia? You need to reinstall your drivers and make sure the old ones are gone. In fact, since you replaced so much, you need to do a full system reinstall, starting with Windows.


And list your PSU

Seriously? These comments fill these threads. He doesn't need to post his PSU is he switched from AMD to NVIDIA. There isn't a change that his power supply couldn't handle. You guys just want to talk about ripples, as usual.

He's not trouble shooting anymore, he just wants to sell you on a better power supply. Why? It's not like their paying him. I don't know. I would say, "What was your previous CPU?", but Power supply guy will say that's not important, since you claimed you upgraded, but I don't think you did.

 

[Mudrucker]

So when you said to delete old drivers and install new updated ones, are you referring to the GPU driver? I just ran a driver uninstall program for my old AMD driver and now all i have is my current 970 driver.

 

[basroil]

Seriously? These comments fill these threads. He doesn't need to post his PSU is he switched from AMD to NVIDIA. There isn't a change that his power supply couldn't handle. You guys just want to talk about ripples, as usual.

Please read the post before making pointless comments mocking people...


And for your info, at least a fifth of the major issues on the forums here are because people are using decades old PSUs on Haswell, or cheap garbage on 980Ti and Fury cards. In this case the PSU is iffy, but the main concern is still the drivers, since there have been no reports of sudden crashes.

So when you said to delete old drivers and install new updated ones, are you referring to the GPU driver? I just ran a driver uninstall program for my old AMD driver and now all i have is my current 970 driver.

Yes, delete the old AMD driver with ddu and then clean install the nvidia one as well. Restart and check if it's any better.

If that doesn't help your next step will be to reinstall Windows, since your hardware changed a lot

 

[Mudrucker]

Let me guess, you went from AMD to Nvidia? You need to reinstall your drivers and make sure the old ones are gone. In fact, since you replaced so much, you need to do a full system reinstall, starting with Windows.


And list your PSU

Seriously? These comments fill these threads. He doesn't need to post his PSU is he switched from AMD to NVIDIA. There isn't a change that his power supply couldn't handle. You guys just want to talk about ripples, as usual.

He's not trouble shooting anymore, he just wants to sell you on a better power supply. Why? It's not like their paying him. I don't know. I would say, "What was your previous CPU?", but Power supply guy will say that's not important, since you claimed you upgraded, but I don't think you did.

My old SPeccy:

Operating System
Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
CPU
AMD Phenom II X4 965 35 °C
Deneb 45nm Technology
RAM
16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 535MHz (8-8-8-20)
Motherboard
ASRock M3A770DE (CPUSocket) 26 °C
Graphics
ASUS VH238 (1920x1080@60Hz)
VA912-3SERIES (1280x1024@60Hz)
1024MB ATI AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series (Sapphire/PCPartner) 49 °C
Storage
465GB Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB (SSD) 24 °C
931GB Western Digital WDC WD1002FAEX-00Z3A0 (SATA) 22 °C
Optical Drives
ASUS BC-12B1ST a
Audio
VIA HD Audio

 

[joshyboy82]

none of your temps make sense. Your 970 is running at 87 degrees F. That is slightly above room temp. ALL other are running sub-temp. Your processor is running at 50F. Where on earth are you, or are you running nitrogen. For a person who put this much time into listing temps, he seems to live in Sweden, above the arctic circle.

I actually said, "OK GOOGLE, ten degrees celsius in farhenheit." It shows 50F right now, on my phone, next to my computer. I had to look it up to make sure I spelled celsius correctly. Yeah, I try.

 

[basroil]

none of your temps make sense. Your 970 is running at 87 degrees F. That is slightly above room temp. ALL other are running sub-temp. Your processor is running at 50F. Where on earth are you, or are you running nitrogen. For a person who put this much time into listing temps, he seems to live in Sweden, above the arctic circle.

1) His second set shows reasonable temps, 35C CPU idle and ~50C for heattastic AMD 6800
2) His first one actually shows 31C idle temp for the 970, which is relatively normal.
3) His MOTHERBOARD (MSI 970 Gaming) shows a dT number most likely, as does his CPU, which would put them at ~34C and 38C respectively, which is average (given the SSD temp the case temp is likely ~24C)

 

[Mudrucker]

Currently doing a "clean install" of 970 drivers after running DDU 2 times, one for old AMD, then once again for the current 970 driver that was likely messed up. Then i will reboot and let you guys know what happens.

 

[joshyboy82]

DO NOT Best Answer this yet, neither of us have helped you. When you change from a HD6850 to a 970, you should expect results. I still think that your other processor was better. But the internet will give me my whippings. Do you still have the old computer? Can you plug the 970 into the old Motherboard?

 

[Mudrucker]

Well, i may have noticed a slight improvement in Black Desert but nothing like my peers with similar setups. The game still took a very very long time to load, espesially compared to my last set up. Still getting "sluggish vibes" from the PC as a whole.

EDIT: also i still cant actively use Nvidia Control PAnel

 

[joshyboy82]

Joshy boy assumes the psu was a good unit in the first place. If that unit has been in a gaming rig for any time at all I would not take it for granted.. Johnny Guru's revue of those suggests 300 watts actual is probably pushing it.

The 970 is a power downgrade, and if he was running a stock 6850, a sidegrade (if there is such a thing). His power supply isn't causing his new computer to show lower fps. Give it up people.

 

[Mudrucker]

DO NOT Best Answer this yet, neither of us have helped you. When you change from a HD6850 to a 970, you should expect results. I still think that your other processor was better. But the internet will give me my whippings. Do you still have the old computer? Can you plug the 970 into the old Motherboard?

Impossible form me to test in the old motherboard unfortunately. Is my new CPU not wayyyy better?

 

[basroil]

Is my new CPU not wayyyy better?

Not when it comes to single thread performance, which some games demand. In this case, https://www.reddit.com/r/blackdesertonline/comments/2zkrmb/how_much_the_cpu_influences_in_the_performance_of/ might be a good read, which seems to state that this game is a PoS technology speaking.

Considering even a 4790+970 gets only 60fps according to that thread, your much slower 8320 is going to be an issue (due to shoddy programming)

The 970 is a power downgrade, and if he was running a stock 6850, a sidegrade (if there is such a thing). His power supply isn't causing his new computer to show lower fps. Give it up people.

1) Nobody is claiming his PSU is the cause, stop spamming that
2) You clearly know nothing about the 970 or power supplies. The issue is NOT average power, it's power transients. And as stated a million times, that was just a precaution, in case his PSU was dangerously bad.

 

[Mudrucker]

Is my new CPU not wayyyy better?

Not when it comes to single thread performance, which some games demand. In this case, https://www.reddit.com/r/blackdesertonline/comments/2zkrmb/how_much_the_cpu_influences_in_the_performance_of/ might be a good read, which seems to state that this game is a PoS technology speaking.

The 970 is a power downgrade, and if he was running a stock 6850, a sidegrade (if there is such a thing). His power supply isn't causing his new computer to show lower fps. Give it up people.

1) Nobody is claiming his PSU is the cause, stop spamming that
2) You clearly know nothing about the 970 or power supplies. The issue is NOT average power, it's power transients. And as stated a million times, that was just a precaution, in case his PSU was dangerously bad.

I can belive this, but i cant figure out why the rest of my machine is declined. League of Legends has FPS drop for crying out loud, and the general slow nature of everything I do, i feel like im missing something major here! driving me nuts! haha

 

[basroil]

I can belive this, but i cant figure out why the rest of my machine is declined. League of Legends has FPS drop for crying out loud, and the general slow nature of everything I do, i feel like im missing something major here! driving me nuts! haha

I HIGHLY recommend a full reformat if you didn't do that after the upgrade. There's just too many hardware changes to rule out some random settings holding you back

 

[joshyboy82]

I can belive this, but i cant figure out why the rest of my machine is declined. League of Legends has FPS drop for crying out loud, and the general slow nature of everything I do, i feel like im missing something major here! driving me nuts! haha

I HIGHLY recommend a full reformat if you didn't do that after the upgrade. There's just too many hardware changes to rule out some random settings holding you back

I totally agree. Finally. Too bad I had to lead people to this conclusion. I wish they arrived there on their own.

...and this is my second 970, my friend's wall fried my first one when I tried to show him Dark Souls PC with the 'Fix' on his theater projector.

 

[basroil]

I totally agree. Finally. Too bad I had to lead people to this conclusion. I wish they arrived their on their own.

Dude, get lost already, I SAID THAT IN THE FIRST FREAKING POST! (http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-3009729/gtx-970-upgrade-running-worse-previous-setup.html#17699086)

 

[joshyboy82]

I started this conversation with two points: 1. Power supply isn't the problem. 2. His CPU wasn't an upgrade.

What two points have I stuck to, and I agreed with Brosliboil...whatever, that the Hard Drive should be reformatted. I'm not the problem here, I'm part of the discussion.

 

[joshyboy82]

This discussion started with, "WOT PSU?" and I turned it into actual dialog. I have no problem with bubblesboils, but his intro comment isn't how you solve the OPs problem, since the OP was coming off a more power hungry GPU. So I stopped it, and started the real dialog, about how we might find out why this kid's computer is getting low fps.

 

[Saga Lout]

OK JosieGirl - that's your new name until you learn to use other folks' proper handles.

 

[joshyboy82]

JosieGirl, signing off.