GTX980Ti OR FURY X ??

[Tomimimi]

Hello lovely people!!

So, finally we have fury x here.

I've been waiting so long to see which GPU's better to build my first PC!!

1. GTX980Ti vs Fury X ?? Which one's better in terms of performance!?

2. Would either of single GPU (GTX or Fury X) enough for 4K gaming? Would 35~40 FPS disturb gaming experience ???

Plz help!!

 

[HCSn]

I would get a 980 Ti. They overclock far better, and that gives them the edge in performance. You could certainly game at 4K with either, but if you want a smooth 60 FPS you won't be able to completely max every setting in games. You'll have to leave them on high-ish without anti-aliasing.

 

[Eximo]

Approximately equal with the Fury X doing a little better at 4K but the GTX980ti performing better at 2560x1440.

Depending on the title and settings they are enough for 4K gaming. Certainly more suitable then the GPUs like the R9-290X/R9-390X and GTX980.

30-40FPS would annoy me a little, but that depends on the person. I prefer smooth gameplay as compared to all the maximum settings. It is great when you can have both though, of course.

 

[Eximo]

I would get a 980 Ti. They overclock far better, and that gives them the edge in performance. You could certainly game at 4K with either, but if you want a smooth 60 FPS you won't be able to completely max every setting in games. You'll have to leave them on high-ish without anti-aliasing.

Still wanting to read a good review with overclocking taken into account. Do you have any good links?

 

[HCSn]

I would get a 980 Ti. They overclock far better, and that gives them the edge in performance. You could certainly game at 4K with either, but if you want a smooth 60 FPS you won't be able to completely max every setting in games. You'll have to leave them on high-ish without anti-aliasing.

Still wanting to read a good review with overclocking taken into account. Do you have any good links?

No, but the benchmarks are with a Fury X vs a reference stock clock 980 Ti and they trade blows. A non-reference, well-cooled, overclocked 980 Ti will crush a stock clock Fury X. And even well-cooled AMD cards don't tend to overclock more than 100 MHz. 980 Ti's will overclock 400+ MHz. Hard to say for sure, but I'm guessing 980 Ti is a clear winner with overclocking taken into account.

 

[sz0ty0l4]

Fury X does NOT compete with the 980Ti.

http://www.pcgamer.com/amd-radeon-r9-fury-x-tested-not-quite-a-980-ti-killer/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l-7kFsqNjU
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/06/24/amd_radeon_r9_fury_x_video_card_review#.VYrvFPntlBc

it's a huge fail for AMD. It's more like a competition to the GTX 980.

The fury X is NOT overclockable at all. Maximum performance gain from overclocking is around 5% which cannot be considered anything decent compared to the 20% on the GTX 980Ti.

The 4gb HBM is a huge limitation aswell. The Fury X is not able to take as high settings in most modern games as the 980ti.

 

[87thhunter]

Fury X does NOT compete with the 980Ti.

http://www.pcgamer.com/amd-radeon-r9-fury-x-tested-not-quite-a-980-ti-killer/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l-7kFsqNjU
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/06/24/amd_radeon_r9_fury_x_video_card_review#.VYrvFPntlBc

it's a huge fail for AMD. It's more like a competition to the GTX 980.

The fury X is NOT overclockable at all. Maximum performance gain from overclocking is around 5% which cannot be considered anything decent compared to the 20% on the GTX 980Ti.

The 4gb HBM is a huge limitation aswell. The Fury X is not able to take as high settings in most modern games as the 980ti.

No article i have read ever said that its a fail for amd.....also the 4gb hbm was said that it has NOT been a problem....Playing gta V at 3.9gb of ram vs the 980ti at 5.8 (or so) same settings......

It is not living up to the hype, i will agree with that! But the card is with in 5-10% on games....Also it smokes a 980.....it is on par with a 980ti, benchmarks are NOT as good as the 980ti in most cases but they are with in 3-5fps both ways..

Also AMD may come out with a driver update that SMOKES the 980ti or they could end up failing either card is a gamble.....One is always going to be better period, somtimes its a simple as a driver or a whole remake of the card.....

At the end of the day you pick a card.....a year from now AMD may have fallen way short in the end, or a new driver may come out and the fury smokes it......I am gambling myself one more time with AMD....Its only money

 

[HCSn]

Fury X does NOT compete with the 980Ti.

http://www.pcgamer.com/amd-radeon-r9-fury-x-tested-not-quite-a-980-ti-killer/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l-7kFsqNjU
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/06/24/amd_radeon_r9_fury_x_video_card_review#.VYrvFPntlBc

it's a huge fail for AMD. It's more like a competition to the GTX 980.

The fury X is NOT overclockable at all. Maximum performance gain from overclocking is around 5% which cannot be considered anything decent compared to the 20% on the GTX 980Ti.

The 4gb HBM is a huge limitation aswell. The Fury X is not able to take as high settings in most modern games as the 980ti.

No article i have read ever said that its a fail for amd.....also the 4gb hbm was said that it has NOT been a problem....Playing gta V at 3.9gb of ram vs the 980ti at 5.8 (or so) same settings......

It is not living up to the hype, i will agree with that! But the card is with in 5-10% on games....Also it smokes a 980.....it is on par with a 980ti, benchmarks are NOT as good as the 980ti in most cases but they are with in 3-5fps both ways..

Also AMD may come out with a driver update that SMOKES the 980ti or they could end up failing either card is a gamble.....One is always going to be better period, somtimes its a simple as a driver or a whole remake of the card.....

Yeah the memory is not a big problem in my eyes because it's HBM. It's a fail because it's the same price as a card that is essentially all-around better. The only exception possibly being temperatures.

As for the drivers....if the past is any indication, I doubt AMD is going to release anything amazing in that department.

 

[sz0ty0l4]

No it does not smoke a 980. The Asus Rog posseidon gtx 980 hybrid cooled can play games around 1600Mhz stable which will overperform the overclocked Fury X.
No the benchmarks are not in 3-5fps range.
No driver updates will not smoke the 980 or the 980Ti.
No it didn't play those games at the same settings.
No the FURy X is not overclockable at any decent rate.

Yes the gtx 980 is overclockable to 2,1Ghz with liquid nitrogen and will crash the Fury X into ashes.

My conclusion on this whole debate:
Fury X - Showcase of 2D HBM on an ages old severly renewed architecture with HARDlimitations everywhere in it( vram, power consumption, overclockability, api feature levels).
Maxwell 2.0 - a Great masterpiece of engineering and the way forward in advanced graphics and visual computing.

 

[Eximo]

Running into cost/practicality issues there. Not everyone is going to be able to run a GTX980 at 1600Mhz reliably or want to pay the up-front cost for a Poseidon or the liquid cooling necessary. Liquid nitrogen shouldn't even factor into any discussion outside of extreme overclocking competitions.

I think I will wait for some more benchmarks when it comes to overclocking comparison AND wait for non-reference and binned samples from AMD's partners. Not sure I like HardOCP using an Ivy bridge board and chip, whereas Tom's used a Haswell-E X99 board and chip. Settings and drivers is still up for debate as well. Tom's used a relatively old nvidia driver. Hard OCP used a beta driver for Nvidia, Latest release for the Fury, and the latest release for the 200 series. I'm really interested in how crossfire works through PCIe with HBM. With 512GB/s they have a little more to chew on then anyone else for the moment.

Both reviews show a marked improvement in the Fury's relative performance as resolution goes up. Those are the 3-5 FPS that people are talking about. At lower resolutions Maxwell has a marked advantage, but no one has really delved into why that is so.

I would pick the GTX980Ti just for the decrease in power consumption and HDMI 2.0 for my 4K TV but also the increased FPS at 2560x1440. So I would agree that the Fury isn't the best flagship GPU right now, but looks like it has a decent market place niche in Mini-ITX gaming builds. Still not a decent 4K alternative, but then neither is the 980Ti, still takes a pair of those to really see some good minimum FPS numbers.

 

[sz0ty0l4]

You don't actually take the graphical settings used into account. Even the Toms review used compromised settings to achieve those performance numbers, which i can't and won't consider right when valueing a high end 4k gaming card. The hardlimitation on hbmv1 is there in form of 4gb.
Look at the GTA 5 settings on the tomshardware review all the other games are less vram hungry games. why you think they didn't include tests about Dying light, Cod AW, lord of fallen, Ac unity, watch dogs, etc? They didn't because the point of the review was to show how to competes with the 980ti, not how to compete with the 980.

Liquid nitrogen was mentioned only for benchmarking purposes. however i think those who actually really want to build a 4k gaming rig will probably think about open loop custom cooling and on a custom loop you can reach the skys with maxwell 2.0 and definitely not with Fiji based on several reviews since it gets unstable over 1150.

I'm not saying Fury x is a bad product. But for 650$ it's definitely a bad product compared to the 980ti.
For 550 it would be a great competition to the 980.

The whole problem with this release was actually how AMD handled it. They said " worlds fastest gpu" several times, they said " overclockers dream" etc etc.... then nothing turned out to be true.