H100i Cooler Custom Fan compatibility?!

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Hey folks, another question! So I have a H100i cooler, i7 4930k and a 980ti hybrid (on its way) My fans for the h100i are pretty loud and temps while having like 10 tabs open and a few programs and music etc don't normally rise above 35ish (After being open for a few hours) So the fans I'm thinking of replacing the H100i are the Noctua NF-F12 PWM Fan 120mm. So are these still going to keep my system nice and cool? And provide enough air for the rad etc?

Also by any chance would this fan suit better for my new Evga 980ti Hybrid?
And thirdly, I currently have an Intake fan on the front of my case and side (240mm) Do I actually need these? or can I get rid of one? Also what would you say's better a negative or positive air flow setup?


Thanks people!
 
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Use Nanoxia Deep Silence 120mm PWM instead, or something equivalent. Much better.

I have that model of Noctua, it's ugly as heck & utterly overpriced: NDS fans works just
as well yet cost half as much (I bought a ruddy great pile of them, so now I replace all
Corsair fans with these). Hmm, I've not uploaded a pic of the 120mm version to my site
yet, but here's a snap of the equivalent 140mm PWM (ideal colour styling for use in
the Corsair C70):

http://www.sgidepot.co.uk/misc/Nanoxia_DeepSilence_140mm_PWM.jpg


But yes, better fans will make a big difference. Heck, I'm running a 3930K @ 4.8 with an H80 and two
NDS fans, the temps are good and the noise is low. See:

http://cdn.overclock.net/2/29/29d473b8_P1020336s.jpeg

Full spec...
Use Nanoxia Deep Silence 120mm PWM instead, or something equivalent. Much better.

I have that model of Noctua, it's ugly as heck & utterly overpriced: NDS fans works just
as well yet cost half as much (I bought a ruddy great pile of them, so now I replace all
Corsair fans with these). Hmm, I've not uploaded a pic of the 120mm version to my site
yet, but here's a snap of the equivalent 140mm PWM (ideal colour styling for use in
the Corsair C70):

http://www.sgidepot.co.uk/misc/Nanoxia_DeepSilence_140mm_PWM.jpg


But yes, better fans will make a big difference. Heck, I'm running a 3930K @ 4.8 with an H80 and two
NDS fans, the temps are good and the noise is low. See:

http://cdn.overclock.net/2/29/29d473b8_P1020336s.jpeg

Full spec:

http://www.overclock.net/lists/display/view/id/6211115


NOTE: use offset mode oc'ing to ensure the vcore drops when the CPU is idle (good guide
on this on the ASUS ROG forum), and I found AI Suite II worked better for controlling the
fans speed than Corsair Link (plus, CL is not compatible with any other app trying to access
mbd sensors at the same time). If you do use offset mode, don't make the idle vcore too low,
as then you'll have a system which is rock solid under load, but unstable when idle. 😀 Nice
though to have the clock & vcore drop when the system is idle, should lengthen the life of the
CPU, better power efficiency, etc.

Ian.

PS. If you're in the US you might not be able to obtain NDS fans (or the import price markup
may be too much), but there are other alternatives. Of course though, if you don't care about
the cost and the 1970s biege/brown styling from hell doesn't bothered you then go for the
Noctuas as they do work very well. If only Noctua made a black fan and didn't charge mad pricing.


 
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I live in the UK mate :) and OC'ing hasn't really appealed to me yet, but thanks so much for the help! Think you can give any more info since I've just updated my question lol
 
Not oc'ing a 4930K? Oh the horror! ;D You should, it's easy, extra performance for free, and with a rig like that you already have the ideal setup to support it. If you don't want to increase noise then you could limit it to stock-voltage oc'ing or just something minimal (for a 3930K that would be about 4.5 to 4.6GHz, but for a 4930K I guess more like 4.3GHz).

Anyway, yes the same types of fan ought to be fine for other cooling duties, but I shouldn't comment further on water-cooled GPUs as that's not something I've ever tried.

As for the case fans, what model is the case? Some stock case fans are also kinda loud, so again I generally replace them with NDS versions (though if I can eventually get hold of the staggeringly enormous NDS 6 case then I wouldn't have to do that).

I recommend against removing one of your fans, best to have an inflow at the front, though whether you'd want the side to be intake or exhaust will vary depending on the GPU config, etc. You can always run tests to determine which is more effective. For a single 980 Ti I'd normally set the side fan to be an exhaust.

This leads on to the -ve/+ve thing; you'll find raging debates about this on forums, all tied up with dust prevention and other issues. It will tend to be specific to each build as to which is best, but sometimes it definitely doesn't function the way one might expect, and you may find that heat issues are more imortant than dust prevention, though case filters can help there (OTOH, some case filters can add to noise).

In my fairly typical single-GPU 3930K setup (Antec 302 case, one 980), namely the system I referred to above, I have the front as an intake, the top as an intake, the side as an exhaust and the back holds the H80 with two NDS 120s as exhausts, thus the H80 gets fresh air straight from the top intake, while the 980 gets air from the front and kicks some out the side. Al the fans are NDS 120mm PWM.

In a different example though, the above general flow direction didn't work that well so I had to experiment more, namely a 3930K/4.7 in a larger Aerocool XPredator case with four overclocked 900MHz heat-pumping 3GB GTX 580s, the CPU cooled with a partially external H110. See:

http://www.sgidepot.co.uk/misc/3930K_quad580_13.jpg

This time, because the 580s both generate a lot of heat but also need a lot of fresh air, the side panel has four NDS intake fans, the front fan is a single large Bitfenix Spectre Pro 230mm exhaust, the H110 at the top uses four NDS 140mm PWMs as intakes, and the rear is an exhaust 140mm PWM (actually a Noctua, bought before I discovered NDS).

One might think that the H110 would be better running its fans as exhausts; I tried this, but temps were several degrees higher. I also tried the front fan as an intake, the sides as exhausts, various combinations. In the end, the above somewhat counter-intuitive setup worked best (rarely would a front fan be better run as an exhaust). One thing though, this system wasn't really built for optimal noise, more for best temps and max heat reduction, the big issue being to help prevent the heat from the 580s affecting the rest of the system. The rear exhaust does have a hefty workload to cope with I guess, but it works ok, and the front exhaust can move a lot of air (150cfm).

Two other points of interest: the H110 with four fans uses a 5-way Akasa PWM splitter cable, with power provided by a SATA connector, so that the PWM signal from the mbd drives all four fans at the same speed, which helps ensure there is minimal discordant noise from mismatched fan speeds. Likewise, the side panel intake fans are grouped into two horizontal groups of two, each group linked to a different mbd PWM fan header (I used extension cables so the panel can be removed without having to reach down to the mbd sockets). They are setup so that the upper fan group runs on a more aggressive cooling profile, providing extra air for the mbd chipset area.

And since you're in the UK (hello there!), the NDS fans are on eBay (eg. see item 111585390937), but I bought mine from Scan because the qty I ordered (ten) meant, with the shipping added on, it was cheaper overall:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/120mm-nanoxia-deep-silence-pwm-ultra-quiet-pc-fan-650-1500-rpm

In the past though I've bought them from specialtech.co.uk and a couple of other places.

[EDIT: Scan has dropped the price by 1 UKP since I bought my batch of ten a couple of weeks ago]

Ian.

PS. What mbd are you using?

PPS. Full quad-580 pics archive (the first six pics were taken when the parts were in a smaller HAF 932 case with very different fans): http://www.sgidepot.co.uk/misc/3930K_quad580.zip

 


Here's my fullspec sheet:

Intel® Core™i7 Six Core Processor i7-4930K (3.4GHz) 12MB Cache
Cooler Master HAF X V2 Black Tower
ASUS® RAMPAGE IV BLACK EDITION
24GB KINGSTON HYPER-X FURY DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz
240GB KINGSTON SSD X2
EVGA 980TI HYBRID 6GB
3TB WD CAVIAR BLACK
Corsair H100i Hydro Series
CORSAIR 1000W

And oh cheers for all that!! I'm hoping to have all of this done in a week!
 

The venerable HAF X! You can find lots of good info on how to get the most from the HAF series here:

http://www.overclock.net/t/392179/the-official-cooler-master-haf-x-932-922-912-club/0_100




Excellent! The newer version of my board.




That's odd, are you using a 16GB kit (4x4) and an 8GB kit? (4x2) Not the most optimal use of the RAM channels, but it'll work ok I guess.

I always use the GSkill TridentX 2400 kit btw. Stopped buying Kingston after a terrible experience with a 4GB/2000 kit they sent me as an RMA (couldn't even get it working at its rated specs).




Most welcome, and good luck!

Ian.

 


Oh cool! I was looking for something like this, needed ideas on some new mods etc. And 3 sets of 8, in all honesty I didn't research RAM as much as I should have. Though they are doing a good job for now lol
 
Yep, plenty of good info in the OCN HAF thread.

Three sets of 8 is definitely not optimal, it'll leave the channels a tad imbalanced, though it most likely won't make much difference in real world usage. Still, what you have there is certainly a setup that for many tasks would benefit from faster RAM, and I can easily recommend the GSkill TridentX kit, it's been great for me, used more than a dozen of them in numerous builds so far, eg.:

http://www.sgidepot.co.uk/misc/aepc.txt

The RAM perhaps doesn't need to be faster than 2133MHz I suppose, but I keep finding the 2400 kits are cheaper, so what the heck. 😀

The most recent 32GB/2400 kit I bought was from morecomputers.com for 220 UKP:

http://www.morecomputers.com/product.aspx?pn=F3-2400C10Q-32GTX&man=G.Skill

but alas they're out of stock atm.

Ian.

 
All asetek AIO are noisy! Thats because of the high rpm fans they come with. Issue is these asetek AIO actually require high rpm fans for optimal cooling because of tight fin spacing of the rads.

replacing the original fans with low rpm like the noctuas will affect cooling performance. If you want to reduce noise and keep performance you will have to put 4 fans in push-pull.

edit: BTW, you should get fans with high static pressure!
 
We're talking about Corsair coolers, and yes they have stock high RPM fans.

Replacing the fans with better models does not necessarily reduce performance, because often the stock fans don't work that well anyway, low static pressure, etc. The NDS fans I use work better than the high-RPM Corsair stock fans.

And sorry but no, he does not have to use 4 fans to get decent performance with less noise, I've done this several times already with X79 builds using NDS fans (Noctua would behave the same), plus there's a heck of a lot of FUD & talk about high static pressure fans, but in reality other issues are waaay more important such as the general airflow within a case, what GPUs are used, etc.

I've build a lot of X79 systems now, and numerous 5GHz 2700K systems, all using Corsair AIOs. One can get low noise with good cooling without the need for OTT fans, and infact using 4 fans can even increase noise because of mismatched RPMs in the vertical columns.

I mean good heavens, I've built an incredibly quiet 5GHz 2700K with just an old TRUE and one NDS 120mm PWM. 😀 In terms of cooling performance there's often no need to use a water AIO at all, it just happens to afford a greater degree of flexibility and it's much more sturdy for system transport.

What's silly is the way some people will harp on about static fans, etc., but not t bother to use offset oc'ing. If one attacks the issue on all fronts, then one can achieve excellent results without having to be OTT in any area.

Ian.
 
Static pressure is important when pushing air trough tight spaces. Densly stacked rad fins are tight spaces hence static pressure is needed to push air trough. Not needed for case fans (or rather shouldn't be) and less needed for (better) rads with wider fin spread.

And no i dont like the corsair hydro coolers, but then again i dont like ANY of the Asetek liquid coolers which is 99% of all AIO CL, but hey, its a free world 😉

(i do like the swiftech 220X and 240X though)

grtz

edit: and what's 'high' static pressure? Its not a number. Just saying you should take static pressure into account. It should be clearly mentioned in any fan's specs.
 
Of course, but in reality the vast majority of fans work perfectly ok anyway, and the NDS fans I use absolutely definitely do, so I don't see what you're getting at that adds to what I've already said. I've built the systems using the parts I've described, they work very well, so your point is?...

Static pressure can make a difference at the bleeding edge of all this stuff, but not in a typical build of this kind, it really doesn't matter that much - read the OP! He's not doing an oc, so issues like static pressure just don't matter here that much, and even if they did, as I've already said, I know the NDS fans work very well indeed, I've used a lot of them for Corsair-based AIO setups.

The Corsair coolers work fine IMO once the fans are replaced with something better like the NDS models. Of course the stock high RPM fans work ok aswell, but the noise levels are totally unacceptable, though that's at max speed (one can prevent them from running at high speed I suppose). I have a stack of about 20 unused Corsair fans now, keep meaning to stick them on eBid.

Ian.