Happy New Year! Ideq 210P

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Hi all,
I did not have any good Xmas gifts so I bought this gift for myself. I ordered it and the delivery is on its way. Here is the list:
- Ideq 210P
- AMD 64 3000
- DDRAM 512MB PC-3200 Cor.
- Nec ND 3500A

I intend to re-use my HD/win2000 to save cost.
I'd like to ask your input on : Step by step to put the system together. This is the first SFF system I encounter. I have very little experience in this area. I need all advise you can give me.

Have a great New Year to all
Regards,
Chau_ya
 
Happy New Year Too You Too.

Even though some of your parts seem a little obscure, I'm sure people will try to help if you have some problems

The loving are the daring!
 
Youve got a small form factor PC I presume. Never built one of those.
But standard is use a clean flat surface and install mobo, Proc and RAM with Video Card, read the manual for mobo slot/memory connections, then hard drive and cd drive.
then power up and install.
Good luck! and Happy New Year!!!

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I think he did not recognize mobo as BioStar....

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Hi Rich,
Thanks for the instruction of standard process of building this thing. Yes, it is a Biostar Small Form barebone system. I know there are better makers out there. But I'm low in cash (after Xmas, you know) so I chose this one. It cost only $ 224, relatively lower than Shuttle's (same level of features). I appreciate your help.
I'm still open to others' suggestions in the areas of precaution: What are the Do's and Don't's when dealling with this type of BB's.
I'll take the current HD to install in it so I think I'll save some time. Agree?
Regards,
 
$224 is too much to pay for an SFF starter. You could have gotten a decent case and board for $200. Not only that, but SFF is known for occasional problems with high powered video cards, something you might want in the future. Also, with only 1 PCI slot, you might need 2 cards in the future. Also, if you EVER get a video card that's double-width, it may not fit (AGP on the outside slot) or at a minimum you won't have any PCI slots left usable (AGP slot on the inside). I'd return it, and if you're looking for something to save space, get a Micro ATX slim tower. BTW, a slim tower is narrower than an SFF cube, so it takes takes up less room from your desk than a cube.

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Hi Crashman,
You are right stating of the limits of upgradings associated with this type of SSF PC. This definitely is a non-arguable point.
My situation is that: 1. my current pc is 5 years old. 2. it is Intel 466MHz HP Pavilion. 3. I never owned a SFF PC and wanted to tinker with it a little bit just for my curiosity. So, I want to give it a try with the undersatanding of its limitations. You see, if I can live with my Pavilion for 5 years, this one can get along with me OK :) . I still plan to upgrade my son's PC and it will NOT be with a new micro ATX board. (My next project).
I have concerns about the NEC ND 3500A DVD/RW. It is an OEM. I just wonder if I'll have problems getting its own driver. Any Idea?
Thanks again for your input.
Regards,
 
Message Correction:
It was "I still plan to upgrade my son's PC and it will NOT be with a new micro ATX board. (My next project)."
Should reads: "I still plan to upgrade my son's PC and it will BE WITH a new micro ATX board. (My next project)."
Sorry for the confusion.
Regards,
 
The Pavilion likely uses a Micro ATX board and SFX power supply, you can buy a new board and more powerfull supply.

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Hi Tweebel,
Thanks for the info. I feel better now.
I plan to get back to the forum about the progess I have after my Ideq is assembled.
Good day to all.
Regards,
 
Hello all,
I need your help.
I have assembled the Ideq 210P. Monitor+KB+Mouse are connected. Power up. Monitor displays BIOS number, CPU type,
Drams size. Then it asks to select F1 to load or DELETE key to set up Bios. I selected 'D' key first. Things went OK. Save and get out setup.
Then, F1 this time. It displays PCI setting, HW monitor table (CPU temp=35 , system temp=38, fan speeds (CPU+system)
and so on...). Good so far.
Then it displays: "verifying DMI pool data ...."
Then: "error loading OS" and the PC stops there.

What is going on here? Could you help?
Thank you all in advance.
 
Yes, you need to load an operating system in any new computer in order to make it usable.

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Hi Crashman,
Thanks for getting back to me so quick!
Remember I mentioned in my first post. I re-use my HD/win2000 to save cost. So this HDD is a used one, was running fine in the old PC I just took it out and installed in this Ideq. So the way I understand is the OS is ALREADY on it. Why need to re-load OS?

Now, when you say 'loading the OS in the new PC', do you mean just insert the Wind2K CD into the CD drive? Please let me know. I did just that and seemed like nothing happened.
Regards,
 
you probably need a fresh install of win2k, as it probably cannot cope with a complete change of hardware (and a fresh install would be a good idea, even if it didn't have any overt problems)
 
Set BIOS to boot of CD rom.

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First you have to make sure BIOS sees the drive. Then set BIOS to boot off CD-ROM, then Hard Drive 1. Now, you can probably get by without a clean instal of windows by doing a "repair instal" but that still requires booting from the CD.

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Hi all,
Thank you so much with your flood of suggestions.
Yes, the BIOS "sees" all the drives. The monitor displays those. OK, I'll change it to boot with CD-Rom option.

1 more question: does the (rescue) emergency floppy disk play any role in this task?

I'm getting back to work on the Ideq.
Please keep sending in your ideas.
Thanks.
 
I don't think it will help you much, if at all. IIRC, all the rescue disks do is provide a basic DOS shell so you can access your cdrom to repair/reinstall. If your win2k cd is bootable, then you have no need for the rescue disk.
 
Thanks, Asgallant. I got it.
The win2K is in the CDrom now and the BIOS is changed to boot first by CDROM. It looks like it does not like to 'repair'. Maybe I have to do a full installation. Thus, the c:/winnt directory will be overiden on . I'm sure. How about other files of other directories? Any ideas ?
Regards,
 
Hi all,

Frustrations!!!
OK, this is what happened so far.
After several attempts to do the 'repair' way with the Win2K cd (of course CMOS is set at bootable1=CROM), 'repair' way don't do any good. I selected the 'full installation' for windows. This prompts me to reformat the whole HDD. It took an hour or so to complete this.

Then when reformating was done, and this is an important step, the PC displayed that Windows would re-start the computer. It did. But then displayed: 'error to load OS'. Frustration !

I have tries to do several small things like: removing the win2K cd out from the cd drive; going into the BIOS to re-set the booting sequences to normal setting (ie. 1=floppy, 2=hardDrive, 3=CDROM).. still it displayed the same thing (error to load OS).
Hi all, what's going on here? Did I miss any thing? Please help.
Regards,
 
Hi all,
Thanks for all the help/suggestions you gave me on my Ideq 210P building task. The following is my short interim report of the progress. Please remember that this is my own personal opinion as a novice computer user (surely not from an expert).

Hardware:
Ideq 210P
CPU AMD64-3000+
DDRAM Corsair 512MB- PC3200
DVD-RW NEC ND-3500A OEM
WD-HDD 120GB EDI
ATI Radeon 9600PRO-128M-8X

Assembling:

Biostar made this very easy for comp novice like me to build this system. All the cables are cut to the right lengths and routed/tied up/labeled so neat and clear that mistakes are hard to make. They make it so easy to install the CPU. The package even includes thermal pasted to apply between the CPU and the heat sink.
The case cover is well designed for disassembly. The top and side covers are separate pieces, attached to the chassis by thumb screws so no need to use a screw driver to get to the inside.
Where the HDD is mounted is a detachable piece of metal. You just slide it out, mount the HDD to it and slide the whole thing back in. This assembly can accommodate 2 HDD's.

Biostar includes a card reader. But I feel like being mislead about space for hardware (drives). If you use the card reader then you have no space to install the FDD. Maybe people do not need FDD nowadays.

My overall feeling about the assembling job is positive. This is a well designed system

Software Installation:

Biostar only includes 1 CD. Again an easy job to install the SW. They also include an SATA cable if you ever need. I use EDI- HDD. So I keep this for future use. The manual is so so. Not so clear into details and they make a few mistakes. But an experienced person could do without it, but not me.

Conclusion:

As a computer novice with minimal experience with computers, this still poses as an easy task to accomplish. I can say it is a well designed system. I like also the system monitoring display, where it tells you the speeds of the 2 fans and CPU and system temp and CPU speed.

In the BIOS, I was able to adjust the CPU FSB to 235. So now I got the CPU running at 2350MHz as supposedly 2000MHz for the AMD64-3000+. So I got some more speed for the same price I paid. With this speed the PC still runs stable (for now) . Of course it needs further testing to draw a final conclusion of stability. CPU temp at this speed is still around 34*C.

Please keep in mind that this report is based on my personal point of view, which is kind of subjective. This is the first time I own an SFF system so I have no way to compare the Ideq to other SFF's. In terms of quietness I feel only OK, not too impressive in this area to me. Maybe my spec is tight regarding noise level. Still happy so far. :) . In terms of price I thinks all SSF PC's are high. Seems like true for all new stuffs. Foot print is not a real saving except your SSF PC can be hidden easily due to their small overall sizes.

There are a lot of things to tweak/improve on this system and I will post more on new things as I go. Thanks again for all help. Fun to communicate with all.

Cheers and regards.
 
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