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"John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid> wrote in message
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> Facts:
>
> ... the English word "kilobyte" is defined by all dictionaries as "1024
> bytes"
>
> ... "megabyte" as "1,048,576 bytes"
>
> ... "gigabyte" as "1,073,741,824 bytes"
>
> ... the term "decibinal" is undefined and has been used in two instances,
> both times by David Maynard
He states that it is a word that he made up.
> ... David Maynard accepts no guidance when arguing his closet bound ideas
>
> David Maynard <nospam@private.net> wrote:
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>> From: David Maynard <nospam private.net>
>> Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
>> Subject: Re: hard disk size ??
>> Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 19:38:38 -0600
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>> prophetsdad wrote:
>>
>>> I don't understand why my HD's aren't fully useable.
>>> A 80Gb drive shows 76Gb useable, A 120Gb shows 111Gb useable, 160 =149,
>>> 200
>>> = 186, etc.
>>> What gives?
>>> I have WinXP professional sp2, and AMD 2Ghtz system.
>>> Any ideas?
>>> TIA
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You're going to get a lot of incorrect information so here's the reality
>> of it.
>>
>> Giga, Mega, Kilo, et al, are decimal prefixes but computers operate in
>> binary and, to 'simplify' things, they've bastardized the decimal
>> prefixes
>> into what I call 'decibinal' (to correctly note that it is not decimal
>> nor
>> binary but a strange 'combination'): a pseudo binary nomenclature using
>> not-quite-right decimal prefixes. (Because no one likes saying 1073741824
>> bytes and the poor binary folks didn't have binary prefixes to use for
>> shortening it so bastardizing the decimal ones seemed the 'quick and
>> easy'
>> thing to do.)
>>
>> I.E. the closest thing to a kilo, 10^3, in binary is 1024 (2^10) so even
>> though it's not really a kilobyte they call it one anyway. Same with
>> Mega,
>> 10^6. The nearest binary number is 1048576 (2^20). And for giga, 10^9,
>> the
>> nearest binary number is 1073741824 (2^30).
>>
>> So you need to know which 'number system' is being used to know how the
>> prefixes are being used: the correct decimal way or the 'decibinal' way.
>>
>> Hard drive manufacturers use the decimal number system, just like
>> everyone
>> else in the (decimal) world, so "120 GB" means 120 x 10^9, just as one
>> who
>> took any reasonable math class would expect.
>>
>> File Manager, however, reports things in 'decibinal' so GB means
>> 1073741824
>> bytes and that means something reported in 'decibinal' gigabytes will
>> appear smaller than when reported in decimal GigaBytes even though they
>> are
>> talking about the same thing.
>>
>> E.g. 120 Decimal GigaBytes will come out as 120/1.073741824 decibinal
>> GigaBytes, or 111.76 (decibinal) GB (they tend to truncate numbers rather
>> than 'round up' so the 111.76 shows as 111GB).
>>
>> So, 120GB = 111GB. Same size, same number of bytes.
>>
>> It has nothing to do with 'formatting' or anything else.
>>
>> Now, you can get the 'real' size by doing a properties on the drive from
>> either My Computer or Windows Explorer. Right click on the drive and
>> select
>> Properties. You'll see the *real* "Capacity" reported down to the byte,
>> as
>> on my 120GB drive "120,031,478,272 bytes" with the 'decibinal' size to
>> the
>> right, as on mine "111GB." Same drive, same size, same number of bytes,
>> two
>> ways of saying it.
>>
>> Btw, you can get the *real* size of any file by right clicking on it and
>> selecting Properties too. The decimal size will be in (). For example,
>> this
>> "Size: 47.6 MB" file on my system shows "47.6 MB (49,920,000 bytes)" in
>> it's Properties and, to confirm the math, 49,920,000 divided by
>> 'decibinal'
>> MB (1048576 byes) is 47.607421875 or, truncated, 47.6 MB. See? Same
>> thing,
>> same size, same number of bytes, different way of saying it.
>>
>> So, to summarize, all is perfectly fine with your drives. You got what
>> you
>> paid for, it's all there, no data is lost or missing, no one is lying,
>> there's no 'marketing gimmick', and everything is usable. You just need
>> to
>> know the math, which you now do.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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