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So I get my card late in the evening last night and I work early into
the morning installing it and playing around with it. I was fortunate
that I didn't have any of the problems described here. Two things I
wondered right away, is there a way to play DVDs throught the TV out on
the 350 and is there a way to get a screen overlay on the TV so you know
wtf is going on without running back to the PC monitor to see if it's
actually recording? I sent these same questions to Hauppage but I bet
I'll get an answer here twice as fast :)
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Chris Phillipo wrote:

> So I get my card late in the evening last night and I work early into
> the morning installing it and playing around with it. I was fortunate
> that I didn't have any of the problems described here. Two things I
> wondered right away, is there a way to play DVDs throught the TV out on
> the 350 and is there a way to get a screen overlay on the TV so you know
> wtf is going on without running back to the PC monitor to see if it's
> actually recording? I sent these same questions to Hauppage but I bet
> I'll get an answer here twice as fast :)
> --
> _________________________
> Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
> http://www.ramsays-online.com

Chris,

One quick warning!

Remember to NOT install any of the drivers from the CD!

Download the newest ones from their website.

Don't forget about the forums at http://www.shspvr.com/forum/

You'll get an answer there before you will from Hauppauge if your experience
is anything like mine.

Everything I've heard suggests that Windows can't put an overlay on that
output. Apparently it's a dedicated output from an mpeg decoder chip.

From what I've seen with my PVR-250, if the software says you're recording,
then you're good to go.

Why not hook it up and play with some PVR software demos and play some DVD's
with a TV cooked up and see what happens, since that only takes a few
minutes...

And let us know how it goes... :->

Good luck,
~Keith
 
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In article <406AEDDF.595B3460@hotmail.com>, clarkphotography@hotmail.com
says...
> Chris Phillipo wrote:
>
> > So I get my card late in the evening last night and I work early into
> > the morning installing it and playing around with it. I was fortunate
> > that I didn't have any of the problems described here. Two things I
> > wondered right away, is there a way to play DVDs throught the TV out on
> > the 350 and is there a way to get a screen overlay on the TV so you know
> > wtf is going on without running back to the PC monitor to see if it's
> > actually recording? I sent these same questions to Hauppage but I bet
> > I'll get an answer here twice as fast :)
> > --
> > _________________________
> > Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
> > http://www.ramsays-online.com
>
> Chris,
>
> One quick warning!
>
> Remember to NOT install any of the drivers from the CD!
>
> Download the newest ones from their website.
>
> Don't forget about the forums at http://www.shspvr.com/forum/
>
> You'll get an answer there before you will from Hauppauge if your experience
> is anything like mine.
>

My CD had the newest ones, I think the box was still warm from the
shrink packer :)

> Everything I've heard suggests that Windows can't put an overlay on that
> output. Apparently it's a dedicated output from an mpeg decoder chip.
>
> From what I've seen with my PVR-250, if the software says you're recording,
> then you're good to go.
>

Ya but pressing the botton on the remote in the TV room and the PC
display is in another room you have to do some running around to be sure
:) Actually I'm finding the remote to be quite useless for anyhting
besides pausing live TV, I will probably have to put a monitor next to
the TV.

> Why not hook it up and play with some PVR software demos and play some DVD's
> with a TV cooked up and see what happens, since that only takes a few
> minutes...
>

I did try that but it's not like a TV out card, your desktop does not
display on the TV it's a completely seperate output. Which is kind of
nice actually, it's like being loged into a second desktop on Linux that
you can still work with and not affect the output of the other display,
but it means it will require software specifically written for that
card. Maybe Beyond TV will eventually offer a solution, it doesn't use
the TV out feature on the 350 currently.
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Chris Phillipo wrote:

> In article <406AEDDF.595B3460@hotmail.com>, clarkphotography@hotmail.com
> says...
> > Chris Phillipo wrote:
> >
> > > So I get my card late in the evening last night and I work early into
> > > the morning installing it and playing around with it. I was fortunate
> > > that I didn't have any of the problems described here. Two things I
> > > wondered right away, is there a way to play DVDs throught the TV out on
> > > the 350 and is there a way to get a screen overlay on the TV so you know
> > > wtf is going on without running back to the PC monitor to see if it's
> > > actually recording? I sent these same questions to Hauppage but I bet
> > > I'll get an answer here twice as fast :)
> > > --
> > > _________________________
> > > Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
> > > http://www.ramsays-online.com
> >
> > Chris,
> >
> > One quick warning!
> >
> > Remember to NOT install any of the drivers from the CD!
> >
> > Download the newest ones from their website.
> >
> > Don't forget about the forums at http://www.shspvr.com/forum/
> >
> > You'll get an answer there before you will from Hauppauge if your experience
> > is anything like mine.
> >
>
> My CD had the newest ones, I think the box was still warm from the
> shrink packer :)
>

OK, that's good. I work with a guy who bought a PVR-250 last week too, and he
installed the drivers from the CD and they hosed his system.



>
> > Everything I've heard suggests that Windows can't put an overlay on that
> > output. Apparently it's a dedicated output from an mpeg decoder chip.
> >
> > From what I've seen with my PVR-250, if the software says you're recording,
> > then you're good to go.
> >
>
> Ya but pressing the botton on the remote in the TV room and the PC
> display is in another room you have to do some running around to be sure
> :) Actually I'm finding the remote to be quite useless for anyhting
> besides pausing live TV, I will probably have to put a monitor next to
> the TV.
>
> > Why not hook it up and play with some PVR software demos and play some DVD's
> > with a TV cooked up and see what happens, since that only takes a few
> > minutes...
> >
>
> I did try that but it's not like a TV out card, your desktop does not
> display on the TV it's a completely seperate output. Which is kind of
> nice actually, it's like being loged into a second desktop on Linux that
> you can still work with and not affect the output of the other display,
> but it means it will require software specifically written for that
> card. Maybe Beyond TV will eventually offer a solution, it doesn't use
> the TV out feature on the 350 currently.
> --
>

OK - I knew the desktop wouldn't show up.

What my expectation was that the video itself would.

Yeah, the remote is worthless without an overlay.

On the plus side. you can hook the TV to your existing video card. And on the plus
side, the recording quality is excellent when played back by any DVD player...

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In article <406B0BD2.4DE4E2AA@hotmail.com>, clarkphotography@hotmail.com
says...
> OK - I knew the desktop wouldn't show up.
>
> What my expectation was that the video itself would.
>
> Yeah, the remote is worthless without an overlay.
>
> On the plus side. you can hook the TV to your existing video card. And on the plus
> side, the recording quality is excellent when played back by any DVD player...
>
> Keith
>
>

I sold my ATI 8500LE with tv out, the quality of it was not as good as
the PVR TV out is, no matter how much a fiddled with it. I replaced it
with some old half hieght Geforce card that doens't produce much heat. I
can't really watch TV through the PVR full time anyway because there's a
half second or so delay between the input and the output, making using
the remote for my satelite receiver tricky. As a recorder it is doing
the job well however.
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Chris Phillipo wrote:

> In article <406B0BD2.4DE4E2AA@hotmail.com>, clarkphotography@hotmail.com
> says...
> > OK - I knew the desktop wouldn't show up.
> >
> > What my expectation was that the video itself would.
> >
> > Yeah, the remote is worthless without an overlay.
> >
> > On the plus side. you can hook the TV to your existing video card. And on the plus
> > side, the recording quality is excellent when played back by any DVD player...
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
>
> I sold my ATI 8500LE with tv out, the quality of it was not as good as
> the PVR TV out is, no matter how much a fiddled with it. I replaced it
> with some old half hieght Geforce card that doens't produce much heat. I
> can't really watch TV through the PVR full time anyway because there's a
> half second or so delay between the input and the output, making using
> the remote for my satelite receiver tricky. As a recorder it is doing
> the job well however.
> --
> _________________________
> Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
> http://www.ramsays-online.com

There's another thread here about Matrox cards and image quality. The poster said he
has results that show a Matrox G450 far superior to ATI or Nvidia.

I'm rethinking my strategy for a HTPC box now, since there's no need for OpenGL in an
HTPC, and G450 cards can be found for around $50. I don't know if they work in a modern
8x AGP slot though.

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> > can't really watch TV through the PVR full time anyway because there's a
> > half second or so delay between the input and the output, making using
> > the remote for my satelite receiver tricky. As a recorder it is doing
> > the job well however.
> > --
> > _________________________
> > Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
> > http://www.ramsays-online.com
>
> There's another thread here about Matrox cards and image quality. The poster said he
> has results that show a Matrox G450 far superior to ATI or Nvidia.
>
> I'm rethinking my strategy for a HTPC box now, since there's no need for OpenGL in an
> HTPC, and G450 cards can be found for around $50. I don't know if they work in a modern
> 8x AGP slot though.
>
> ~Keith
>
>

I had I Matrox card once but that was a VESA local bus card and I think
my desktop was barly running 800x600 back then so it's probably not
comparable to something made in this century :)
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Chris Phillipo wrote:

> > > can't really watch TV through the PVR full time anyway because there's a
> > > half second or so delay between the input and the output, making using
> > > the remote for my satelite receiver tricky. As a recorder it is doing
> > > the job well however.
> > > --
> > > _________________________
> > > Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
> > > http://www.ramsays-online.com
> >
> > There's another thread here about Matrox cards and image quality. The poster said he
> > has results that show a Matrox G450 far superior to ATI or Nvidia.
> >
> > I'm rethinking my strategy for a HTPC box now, since there's no need for OpenGL in an
> > HTPC, and G450 cards can be found for around $50. I don't know if they work in a modern
> > 8x AGP slot though.
> >
> > ~Keith
> >
> >
>
> I had I Matrox card once but that was a VESA local bus card and I think
> my desktop was barly running 800x600 back then so it's probably not
> comparable to something made in this century :)
> --
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> Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
> http://www.ramsays-online.com

LOL!

Yeah, reminds me of my old Diamond Stealth card. Man that was a nice card for it's day (80
MHz 486). Seems like a dinosaur now. I traded it, a motherboard and the 486 chip for my first
Pentium-90 CPU.

Anyway, back to the subject at hand, if you're not using the PC as a dedicated living room
HTPC box, you might consider a MediaMVP in the living room to play back your recordings, as
long as you only want to play back mpeg-2 (mpeg-4 support is a few months away at best).
They're pretty cheap. If you don't mind going to the other room to schedule your recordings,
then that could do the trick for you.
 
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> >
> > I had I Matrox card once but that was a VESA local bus card and I think
> > my desktop was barly running 800x600 back then so it's probably not
> > comparable to something made in this century :)
> > --
> > _________________________
> > Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
> > http://www.ramsays-online.com
>
> LOL!
>
> Yeah, reminds me of my old Diamond Stealth card. Man that was a nice card for it's day (80
> MHz 486). Seems like a dinosaur now. I traded it, a motherboard and the 486 chip for my first
> Pentium-90 CPU.
>
> Anyway, back to the subject at hand, if you're not using the PC as a dedicated living room
> HTPC box, you might consider a MediaMVP in the living room to play back your recordings, as
> long as you only want to play back mpeg-2 (mpeg-4 support is a few months away at best).
> They're pretty cheap. If you don't mind going to the other room to schedule your recordings,
> then that could do the trick for you.
>
>

Oh it's much more complicated than that my friend :) I bought a desktop
case and sound proofed it and put it in my entertainment center, but I
do not have a monitor attached to it, I only access it via XP Remote
Desktop with my other PC on the other side of the house. Previously this
"headless" machine resided in my closet in a full tower case, I also use
this PC to offload tasks like long term downloads off Kazza or
converting large Divx files to DVD Standard files, plus it's an FTP
server. I also have a 14" TV in the room with my main PC so I do all
the scheduling, editing and burning from there. The only problem I run
into is I can't open files on the hard drive from the living room to
play back because I can't see what's happening on the desktop through
the TV, so I have to set it up in one room and press play in the living
room. Not a big deal, I can easily rememdy this by putting 14" monitor
in the living room. An LCD monitor would be better but if I was going
to spend that much I would just get a cheap laptop and use that on the
coffee table to control the other PC via remote desktop. One other
issue was that the mpeg editing program than the board came with will
only install on the machine with the card in it, which is not what I
want, so I had to put the board in my faster machine, install the
software, then put it back in the other one.
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Chris Phillipo wrote:

> > >
> <snip> I also use
> this PC to offload tasks like long term downloads off Kazza or
> <snip>
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>

Oh that's right, you live in Canada, where downloading is legal! ;->

http://news.com.com/2100-1027_3-5182641.html
 
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Chris Phillipo wrote:

> > >
> > > I had I Matrox card once but that was a VESA local bus card and I think
> > > my desktop was barly running 800x600 back then so it's probably not
> > > comparable to something made in this century :)
> > > --
> > > _________________________
> > > Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
> > > http://www.ramsays-online.com
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > Yeah, reminds me of my old Diamond Stealth card. Man that was a nice card for it's day (80
> > MHz 486). Seems like a dinosaur now. I traded it, a motherboard and the 486 chip for my first
> > Pentium-90 CPU.
> >
> > Anyway, back to the subject at hand, if you're not using the PC as a dedicated living room
> > HTPC box, you might consider a MediaMVP in the living room to play back your recordings, as
> > long as you only want to play back mpeg-2 (mpeg-4 support is a few months away at best).
> > They're pretty cheap. If you don't mind going to the other room to schedule your recordings,
> > then that could do the trick for you.
> >
> >
>
> Oh it's much more complicated than that my friend :) I bought a desktop
> case and sound proofed it and put it in my entertainment center, but I
> do not have a monitor attached to it, I only access it via XP Remote
> Desktop with my other PC on the other side of the house. Previously this
> "headless" machine resided in my closet in a full tower case, I also use
> this PC to offload tasks like long term downloads off Kazza or
> converting large Divx files to DVD Standard files, plus it's an FTP
> server. I also have a 14" TV in the room with my main PC so I do all
> the scheduling, editing and burning from there. The only problem I run
> into is I can't open files on the hard drive from the living room to
> play back because I can't see what's happening on the desktop through
> the TV, so I have to set it up in one room and press play in the living
> room. Not a big deal, I can easily rememdy this by putting 14" monitor
> in the living room. An LCD monitor would be better but if I was going
> to spend that much I would just get a cheap laptop and use that on the
> coffee table to control the other PC via remote desktop. One other
> issue was that the mpeg editing program than the board came with will
> only install on the machine with the card in it, which is not what I
> want, so I had to put the board in my faster machine, install the
> software, then put it back in the other one.
> --
> _________________________
> Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
> http://www.ramsays-online.com

Wow, that's pretty complicated. I hope you find a way to simplify things.

Keith
 
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"Keith Clark" <clarkphotography@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'm rethinking my strategy for a HTPC box now, since there's no need for
OpenGL in an
> HTPC, and G450 cards can be found for around $50. I don't know if they
work in a modern
> 8x AGP slot though.

http://forum.matrox.com/mga/viewtopic.php?t=4326
 
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FLY135 wrote:

> "Keith Clark" <clarkphotography@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:406B39FE.F6A0F591@hotmail.com...
>
> > I'm rethinking my strategy for a HTPC box now, since there's no need for
> OpenGL in an
> > HTPC, and G450 cards can be found for around $50. I don't know if they
> work in a modern
> > 8x AGP slot though.
>
> http://forum.matrox.com/mga/viewtopic.php?t=4326

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In article <406C8E0E.ACBFE16F@hotmail.com>, clarkphotography@hotmail.com
says...
>
>
> Chris Phillipo wrote:
>
> > > >
> > <snip> I also use
> > this PC to offload tasks like long term downloads off Kazza or
> > <snip>
> > --
> > _________________________
> > Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
> >
>
> Oh that's right, you live in Canada, where downloading is legal! ;->
>
> http://news.com.com/2100-1027_3-5182641.html
>
>
>
>

Yup:) Especially when it's BBC shows we can't get here because the
limey b-tards only released their DVDs in PAL.
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On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 13:47:58 -0800, Keith Clark
<clarkphotography@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>Oh that's right, you live in Canada, where downloading is legal! ;->

And everyone is charged a levy/tax on blank CDs/DVDs, tapes, flash
storage etc, because we just might record music on it. Since beginning
the levy a few years ago, the organisation that collects the moolah
has distributed nothing (as of a couple of months ago) to the starving
artists. So I'm paying someone to allow me to store my own digital
photographs on CDs, and video I shot onto DVDs.

--
John W Hall <wweexxsseessssaa@telus.net>
Cochrane, Alberta, Canada.
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In article <8nrq6054hd9vavtrsk82p34jck96hk4p8c@4ax.com>,
wweexxsseessssaa@telus.net says...
> On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 13:47:58 -0800, Keith Clark
> <clarkphotography@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>Oh that's right, you live in Canada, where downloading is legal! ;->
>
> And everyone is charged a levy/tax on blank CDs/DVDs, tapes, flash
> storage etc, because we just might record music on it. Since beginning
> the levy a few years ago, the organisation that collects the moolah
> has distributed nothing (as of a couple of months ago) to the starving
> artists. So I'm paying someone to allow me to store my own digital
> photographs on CDs, and video I shot onto DVDs.
>
>

I keep sane by thinking at least we don't have it as bad as France. A
tax per megabyte on all recordable media including devices with built in
hard drives. Did they lose a war or something?
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Chris Phillipo wrote:

>
> I keep sane by thinking at least we don't have it as bad as France. <snip>
> Did they lose a war or something?

LOL!

If you want to see something funny, go to Google's home page, type in "French
military victories" and click the "I'm feeling lucky" button. It's a riot.