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I'm currently running this

cool master mid case
AMD Quad core Phenom 2 x4 9750 at 2.5 g
Mobo--- asus (hp) M2N68-La (narra3)
4G corsair ram
250g hard drive
Zalman oversized heat sink
Antecedent True power 550watt psu
AMD Radeon HD4870 Saphire graphics card

I'm going to build new system in a couple months ...

I want to upgrade current machine to run eyefinity . I have 2 options
1-buy a decent card that's in the eyefinity group ?
2-buy one of the gpu cards that I'm putting in new build ?
Option 2 is fine if the computer will support it I'm going to run 2x R9 280's
I can buy 1 now and one later and then put it in the new build .... THOUGHTS ?

I want to play around with a 3x1 setup but on new build I want 5x1 portrait
 
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I've just studied these sorts of things on my own and I try to stay up to date on the newest stuff. Let's just say that in the computer science profession, it's best to understand the stuff that does what you tell it to. Also it's great knowing what's best for gaming, I am a pretty solid PC gamer.

But back to a short-term graphics card: Your CPU's really weak so you can't get too good a graphics card, otherwise you will not experience any returns. I'd say either an EVGA FTW GTX 750 Ti, a Sapphire Dual-X R7 265, or an Asus Strix GTX 960. One of those should be a decent enough stopgap measure. They can run games decently but not three 1080p monitors.
That's kinda an old card there. I'm not sure I would try running Eyefinity right now.
In a few months AMD's new R9 300 series will be out. You might want to try Crossfiring a pair of R9 380X 6GB cards. The Tonga, if properly harnessed, could have the SPUs to handle 6GB VRAM and thus support a multi-display setup. Perhaps Crossfiring a pair of R9 390Xs will be good too, but they aren't giving it any more SPUs and really the 8GB VRAM will be a bit of a waste.

But your CPU and motherboard are pretty old. I'd go for an Asus M5A97 LE paired with an AMD FX-8350, or an ASRock Z97 Extreme4 paired with an Intel Core i5-4690k or i7-4790k.
Plus you'll probably need an 850 or 1000 watt power supply to run multiple cards, and you need to upgrade to either 8GB or 16GB RAM first before worrying about a multi-monitor setup.
 
No I totally get that ... I read something on that card ... As far as this build goes again that's prolly 3 months down road ... I triple guess anything I do all the time .. So your answer would be get a eyefinity compatible card and just let it stay with the old Cpu ... What do you think with current config is the best card to run to achieve eyefinity 3x1..
The build will happen regardless I want to do an eyefinity setup on new build only reason I was thinking 2x card was for 5x1 setup thing is

As it sits now I have 3-22" matching monitors but no eyefinity cause card doesn't support it
 


Any modern AMD card will support Eyefinity. Again, I would probably go for the R9 380X 6GB model, even if you're only using one of them. This is because the 380X is a refinement/rebrand of the R9 285, which demonstrated numerous gains in efficiency which means a reduced CPU overhead. And quite frankly, your CPU is very weak, and you need to take it as easy on the CPU as you can.
And running three monitors will not be easy on a graphics card either.... assuming your 22" monitors are 1080p, you'll need probably a GTX 980 Ti to really run those screens well, if you can front the $650 for a 980 Ti. You'll be running a 3420x1920 setup, which is almost as strong as 4K. While most current cards can run 4K, they can't run 4K very well.

Here's my reasoning on the cards that will be on the market when you make your purchase in 3 months. The R9 300 series and R9 Fury cards are not out yet but will be likely within a month as they will be announced tomorrow, and the GTX 980 Ti reference card has been on the market for a couple weeks now. More aftermarket boards which perform better than the reference model are coming soon, such as the Asus Strix Direct CU III, while some boards like the Gigabyte G1 Gaming are already on the market.

- The 980 Ti is the optimal candidate because it has a native VRAM of 6GB, and it has 2816 CUDA cores. Considering that the GTX 980 achieved remarkable performance on 4GB with just 2048 CUDA cores, almost 50% more cores backs up 50% more RAM.
- The R9 390X and new R9 290X models have 8GB when they only have the stream processors to run 4GB. Their Hawaii cores were created with 2816 stream processors, which were plenty for 4GB, but are definitely inadequate for operating 8GB. They may or may not serve your needs.
- The R9 380X might be able to run 6GB but whether or not they can give it the stream processors is to be seen. It is going to be more efficient bang-for-buck because it has a narrower bus and uses technologies like advanced color compression that makes the card more efficient.
- The R9 Fury and Fury X are interesting choices, for sure, with their super-fast High Bandwidth Memory. But they only have 4GB VRAM and would be unsuitable for running multiple monitors.

Your true solution, ignoring CPU limitations, is a GTX 980 Ti, if you can front the $650 to buy it and if you will be using graphically intensive applications. If not, I recommend the R9 380X, just because it's a better investment than a 390X and it does come with a more reasonable while still sufficient memory buffer.
However, I iterate my early concerns: you will need a better CPU as well as a better graphics card. If you go with the R9 285 now or the R9 380X in the near future, you might be able to get by with your really weak and slow CPU. But if you decide you can get the GTX 980 Ti, then you should really start looking at upgrading your CPU. Many graphically intensive applications can also be CPU intensive.
 
Yeah I feel you on the mobs and processor ... Here's one of the boards I'm looking at
https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/X99DELUXE/
And a i7 5930
For a case I really like nzxt h440 in white I will prolly find one like that but size large
Cable management cable kit in white and black
2x R9 280/295/380/390
Power supply seasonic snow silent 1050
http://www.seasonicusa.com/SnowSilent%20Series.htm
With some AIO water cool stuff white and black memory
Some SSD hard drives etc ...
What I want to do is be able to use the eyefinity system to make sure it's what I want .
I would like to get the bigger 8 core i7 it's real expensive ...
I think the processor I'm planning on using will perform well .


 


Choosing your processor is, in my opinion, almost completely reliant on your graphics setup.

The advantage of an i7-5930K is that it has many PCI-Express lanes, meaning it can control multiple cards much more easily than an i5, an i7-4790k or even an i7-5820k. However the 5930K, even though it boasts more cores, has a lower clock speed than the i7-4790K, and so isn't really any more remarkable in performance in gaming. Plus, the i7-5820k, i7-5930K, and i7-5960X are all X99 processors. The special X99 motherboards and new DDR4 RAM will be more expensive than a more common system with a Z97 motherboard and DDR3 RAM.
The advantage of an i7-4790K is that it runs faster. It's only a quad-core versus the hexa-core 5930K, but the i7-4790K makes up for that in gaming performance by boasting a significantly faster clock speed. And in gaming, you need fast and strong single-core performance. Besides, all Intel desktop processors except the current i5 series use a technology called hyper-threading, where Intel can get a quad-core processor to perform like an eight-core processor. Like I mentioned, the processor, motherboard, and RAM on a Z97 system will save you a few hundred bucks. But you have trouble running multiple graphics cards - each card is limited to a certain bandwidth, and if you want to add any more PCIE cards, there goes your performance.

You could go for an X99 motherboard, for sure. The Asus X99-Deluxe is a good one, although let's also keep in mind the X99-A as a lower-cost alternative. And the whole point here is to grab a 5930K so that we can run two cards at maximum efficiency. Couple that with 16GB DDR4 RAM. Now, for multiple cards, the R9 390X suddenly becomes a viable option. Why? Because when you run two cards in Crossfire, the memory is not added to each other. If you crossfire two 4GB video cards, you don't end up with 8GB video RAM. You still only have 4GB because the two cards must have identical RAM. And for once, the bloated video memory comes in handy: now we not only have the processing power of two graphics cards, but also the video RAM of two graphics cards. AMD, however, does have a glaring flaw when it comes to multiple graphics cards, and this flaw is more unique to AMD and Nvidia is not quite so affected by it: AMD has demonstrated in the recent past a distinct lack of support for Crossfire drivers and profiles. This means that you can only use one AMD card at a time. Nvidia, in the meanwhile, has shown a far more consistent support pattern and is considered to be much better about day-one driver releases, etc. There have been far fewer complaints about SLI support than there have been on Crossfire support. So, we can look at the Green Team's options. Although the GTX 970 and GTX 980 don't have the inflated memory buffer, they can still offer impressive performance through their fast memory clocks, newer architecture, and higher number of processing units. And, like I said, the GTX 980 Ti has proven itself to be an excellent choice, especially in SLI.

But, two other options lie here, and they would be likely more cost effective and may not compromise any performance.
Both options have the same basics. Instead of grabbing an Asus X99-Deluxe and an i7-5930K, you could grab an Asus ROG Maximus VII FORMULA or Maximus VII HERO and an i7-4790K. You could use 16GB G.Skill Trident X or Corsair Dominator Platinum RAM - or, since it's DDR3 and we've already saved a ton on the CPU and motherboard, you could push it further to 32GB RAM. Now here the two options diverge. Firstly, we know of the already-released R9 295X2. It's the dual GPU based on AMD's Hawaii cards, the R9 290X. The advantage of having a 295X2 is that you get two cards for the data cost of one: you don't need to use up extra PCIE lanes from the CPU to run a 295X2 properly. And a 295X2 comes with a liquid cooling system installed, which you have indicated you want to use. Secondly, there is the upcoming Fiji dual-GPU, which will be the successor to the R9 295X2. We don't know what it will be called and it will not be released until this fall. But it will use HBM and it will be a very, very fearsome beast indeed. Of course, the crux of those two options is that they rely on AMD Crossfire support, which may or may not be reliable in the coming future. So the GTX 980 Ti is also an option, or maybe even the R9 Fury X if it can stand up in the benchmarks.

The R9 Fury X (MSRP $650) will be released June 24th; the GTX 980 Ti (MSRP $650) has been released for a few weeks now; and the dual-gpu Fiji card (MSRP unknown) will be released in the fall. The R9 390X (MSRP $430), R9 390 (MSRP $330), and R9 380 (MSRP $200) will come on Thursday, June 18th. One clarification, as before today some of my information were reliable but unconfirmed leaks: the R9 380X has not been formally announced, and the beefiest R9 380 models will have just 4GB video RAM.
 
I notice ur avatar is amd ..
Thank you for the knowledge for real ..
What is your opinion on amd processors for a comparable build ? I know I've been told that the strongest amd processor doesn't come even close to a Intel ? Is there any truth to that I've look at some statistics and amd is way down there . Having said that is that a big deal when I do NO FILE sharing work on my comp . I do not use it as a work station it will mainly be just gaming and web browsing
 
Htv --- I'm curious help me with something please .... And again I really appreciate the knowledge ... Daily computer usage at my house consist of
I come home from work my 12 year old is at comp headphones on running tidal for music playing mine raft or on Facebook or shopping online . My oldest gets on computer 100 percent social media ... She loves to stream movies as well i e Netflix etc ... I use stream box for that .... I e Apple TV
Now the wife runs power point / excel etc Internet ... Nothing really major ... I have a phenom2 x4 amd processor now ok .... Keep in mind my sole purpose for this build is because I want to game and one day I got on YouTube and saw the coolest 5x1 eyefinity setup ... And with my adhd it's real close to ocd ... I have a super addictive personality ... For example I get stuck on stuff like ... If I go somewhere I eat something and it was like bam the best thing I have ever tasted .. I will eat it everyday.... Or if I'm doing something I can focus on real good I just get consumed ... That's how this build is going to be for me ... But ALOT of people say that the strongest amd 9### series amd processor doesn't compare across the board to a Intels I5 cpu . I would rather build a amd
Whatever board I use I will max out the memory . The computer I have now moves along just fine it's not slow by any means .. So I guess my question is if I did let's say
970a msi krait board with amd 8 core 8*** line with max memory 32g
Will that be a substantial noticeable difference ?
And I have no problem using nvidia ... Only reason I even picked those card was for the eyefinity but if I'm not mistaken nvidia has a similar deal with gpu multi screens
 
Well, my avatar and username are a bit of a slightly humorous reference to AMD processors. Here's my spiel on AMD's processors:

The thing about AMD processors is that they use up a massive a mount of power and produce a massive amount of heat. Hence, my avatar is the logo of the AMD flagship CPU series, the FX series, on fire. AMD has a somewhat bright future as they claim their Zen processors which will come in 2016 will significantly improve their greatest weakness, their per-core performance. But today, although their processors are fast and they have several cores, they lack in per-core performance, that is, the number of IPC (instructions per clock), so they fall somewhat behind Intel, who has built their reputation on their solid per-core performance and substantial IPC gains. For example, AMD's best processor, the FX-9590, uses up massive amounts of power and generates as much heat as a high-end graphics card. It runs so hot that AMD is starting to offer models that come with stock liquid cooling. It runs so hot that when you overclock it, your motherboard bursts into flame!! ... Just kidding, although the FX-9000 series "Vishera" processors run very hot.
But despite all the heat production and power consumption, the FX-9590 is inferior to the newest Intel Core i5-4690K in gaming. In some applications such as rendering, the FX-9000 series can beat an i5 because those applications can actually use all the cores and thus can draw from the FX series' fullest potential. But games are optimized to use fewer, more powerful cores, and here Intel has AMD beat. As you can see in the gaming benchmarks the i5 is far ahead of the FX-9590 and the FX-8350, while using 70W less power. Price-wise, the FX-9590 is at the same price point as the i5-4690K. But it used to compete with Intel's best regular i7: the i7-4790K, the processor that I selected for my build and the king of Intel's Devil's Canyon series which I described to you in my last post. And the i7-4790K beats the FX-9590 black and blue. Right now, the i7-4790k is probably the best gamers' CPU you can grab, mostly because it has a higher clock speed than the i7-5960X. The 5960X's IPC improvements and beefier caches allow it to catch the 4790K sometimes, but remember that it costs almost three times as much. As such, the 5960X is really best suited for people who do a lot of videos. It can game well enough but its true strength lies in rendering and running heavily threaded applications.
So to answer your question from your most recent post: yes, it makes a substantial difference, mainly due to the processor being weaker per core.

Now, you mention that having more processing threads on a processor makes more use of your RAM. That actually isn't the case; running applications simply sit in the RAM whenever they are loaded. The more applications you are running, both foreground and background, the more RAM that you use. Also, some graphics cards do want additional RAM. For example, Nvidia Titan X graphics cards require 16GB RAM and recommend at least 24GB RAM. It's primarily to satisfy the graphics card, but having plenty of extra RAM also allows for a technology called RAMDISK. You create a virtual disk in which memory is stored on your RAM, and whenever the computer powers off, the memory is transferred to a drive as all memory in the RAM is cleared on shutdown. But the primary advantage of RAMDISK is that it is the single fastest memory solution in existence today: it is stored in the same physical module as your system memory is, so it doesn't have to be sent to different places in your system.
16GB RAM is overkill, 32GB RAM is futureproof, anything more is unnecessary except for perhaps super high quality video rendering. It jumps from 16GB to 32GB because of the DIMM setup. Motherboards are usually happiest using 2 sticks of RAM, and are happier using 4 sticks of RAM than 3 sticks or 1 stick, so you use 2 sticks of 8GB memory or you use 4 sticks of 8GB memory.


Short and simple: if you had a blank check, I would recommend an Intel Core i7-5930K on an Asus ROG Rampage V Extreme motherboard, coupled with a pair of Asus Strix Direct CU III or Asus ROG Matrix GTX 980 Ti cards (neither have been released yet, both have been confirmed, I am waiting to buy the Strix card myself) which will cost close to $700 apiece. The motherboard will come with an SLI bridge so you don't need to worry about that. For RAM, you'd want 4x8GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4-2133 CL13 RAM. You also want a good boot drive: I'd recommend a Samsung SM951 512GB M.2 SSD. This goes into a unique PCIE socket beneath the processor and is super-fast. You'll probably load Windows in 5 seconds. To go with it I'd recommend a Samsung 850 Pro 1TB SSD, to store all your games and load them lightning fast. For power, what you selected is good, but you could also go with the EVGA SuperNOVA 1000-watt 80+ Platinum fully modular power supply, or the Corsair HX1000i power supply. If you want wi-fi, a good card is the Asus PCE-AC56, a powerful card that plugs straight into your PCIE slot and has a high data bandwidth. If 1TB storage isn't enough for you, you could snag a 2TB, 3TB, or 4TB Western Digital Black hard drive. For cases, what you selected isn't bad, but also look at the Phanteks Enthoo Prime, the Cooler Master HAF X, and the Corsair 760t. If you can, try and make the case and power supply by the same manufacturer as they should fit easily. While the pattern between my Rosewill power supply and Cooler Master case basically matched, the power supply mounting holes were just a little off.
 
What do you do for a living ... U know your sh!? I appreciate that I will look into your recommendations seriously . In the mean time let me ask u this lets say I want to match up a ok video card with my current config what card would you put in it ?
1 - needs to have eyefinity or something like it
2- has to run 3 monitors
3- I really don't want to drop 700 on a card that's prolly going to stay with Cpu

I have to do some research on the stuff you recommended because I want it to perform it must look good too lol ... That's my adhd talking
 
I know it's stupid but I was hoping to keep it a black in white build
I'm pretty sure that asus board is going to exceed my budget . .... I will buy all this stuff during a month or two to insure I get what I want ...I think that I will have budget prolly
Cpu 3-400... I should be able to get i7 5930k
Mobo- 3-400
2-gpu 3-600
That's 1400 right there mmmmmmmmm I've got to think about some things I'm gonna put together something
 
I've just studied these sorts of things on my own and I try to stay up to date on the newest stuff. Let's just say that in the computer science profession, it's best to understand the stuff that does what you tell it to. Also it's great knowing what's best for gaming, I am a pretty solid PC gamer.

But back to a short-term graphics card: Your CPU's really weak so you can't get too good a graphics card, otherwise you will not experience any returns. I'd say either an EVGA FTW GTX 750 Ti, a Sapphire Dual-X R7 265, or an Asus Strix GTX 960. One of those should be a decent enough stopgap measure. They can run games decently but not three 1080p monitors.
 
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I guess that's were I get lost because at some point years ago when the cpu first came out it was decent then ... People had to have been running 2-3 monitors on eyefinity or what not
I do understand that the graphics / games are new .... Anyway.... I appreciate everything .... I'm gonna spend a couple days I'll come back and share the new specs for the build with you and see if it looks any better
 
Help me with this so I understand ... I work on air conditioner's with micro controls . Super efficient ac's multiple stage ac's with computer style controls ... Anyway like anything I understand there's a process . Can you tell me the CPU's and the GPU's process when being used ?
 
In a nutshell, the CPU determines key critical calculations and then relays information to the GPU, which is responsible for storing some direct information such as textures as well as making the minute, detailed calculations and sending the actual rendering signal to the monitor. While the CPU doesn't need the same horsepower a GPU needs, a weak CPU can easily hold down a powerful GPU.
 
If I had to build an AMD CPU, I would also plan to build a full custom watercooling loop, or use a high-power aircooler on the CPU.
It would be centered around the FX-9590 and would incorporate probably an R9 380 or maybe a GTX 970/GTX 980. If I could achieve a significant enough overclock, that might allow me to try using a 980 Ti or even a Fury X. I am unsure whether the Fury X would require more or less CPU overhead; I am waiting on benchmarks to see.
Motherboard would be the Asus Sabertooth 990FX Gen3 (the version with the PCIE 3.0 slots, not the 2.0 slots) with 2x8GB G.Skill Trident X 1600MHz frequency 7ms CAS latency RAM, Samsung SM951 boot drive with WD Black 2TB WD2003FZEX hard drive for mass storage. All other components would be the same as I listed above.
Now if we want to go for looks while preserving excellent performance, a few specific components would change.
The motherboard would definitely be an Asus ROG Crosshair V Formula-Z. The system would use a full custom loop with perfectly transparent tubing, but with crimson red cooling liquid to match the heatspreaders on the RAM and red accents on the motherboard. A few reservoir models spray water in their interior for a really neat looking fountain effect. The graphics card would be an Asus ROG GTX 980 Matrix, which also incorporates red into its design as well as black, the secondary color in ROG designs. The RAM must stay the same. The case must be a Phanteks Enthoo red version; it is a black case that incorporates a painted red interior as well as exterior red accents and a red LED lightbar on the right. Probably one of the best looking non-modded builds you could get.
 
I was reading on the 2012 ivy bridge lga2011 socket CPU,s like the i7-3770
If I decided to start this build with asus rampage 4 extreme what processor would you put in it ??
It being a 2012 board does not bother me at all . It would still be a great CPU wouldn't u think just.


 
If ?
I meant 3970 not 3770 I could not believe the price tag on it ....
You are. A smart guy on computers ... Im gonna tell you were I'm at .. I was a huge Nintendo generation I was 13 when it came out ... Growing up my folks were poor .. No computer whatsoever anywhere ... I bought by first computer when I was 25 ..I bought a couple more for web browsing or lol shadow warrior through the years... I've always been manual labor up until I was 32 I got promoted to management in office I use computers every day for last 7 years for work I haven't had a desktop at home since lol BIG CRT
Monitors were in just because it would take away way too much time from family or sleep ...My daughters both have laptops so there's computers always at home I have always had a I phone or iPad . I do zero file sharing type stuff ... I do some Power point on iPad and work sometimes iWork with word or excel but nothing major . ... About 3 months ago I was looking on YouTube at a specific 4k TV and a associated video was this one
http://youtu.be/GNkDX2pcg0U

And I was sold ... I know that this is going to cost a lot I get that but I've also seen 1080p eyefinity 3 monitor setups done on much less expensive systems . I LOVE GAMING that's prolly the reason I have not had a computer for awhile . It consumes tons of time .both my kids are big gamers as well
So I thought I would put my first p c together ... Problem is I don't have that kinda money just lying around ... I just buried my sister who did not prepare for her end .. She led a different lifestyle .. And it took my entire savings to give her a decent burial for her children . Anyway a month ago I bought the current CPU and I knew it was old but it was very clean and very well taken care of ..I added 2x 22 inch dell monitors and a razer mouse a razer keyboard and a Klipsch 4.1 speakers . But what I'm getting at is I have no knowledge of computers and how they work other than what if read and learned over last month or 2 . Now knowing what I want to do and that it will take a couple of months to build a pic . I'll buy a part a week if I have too . But it will get done .
Your knowledge is greatly appreciated ...it doesn't have to be a budget build but I don't have 4k right now ...
Should I build off that rampage board ? Do you think it's a waste if I do just because it's not being utilized for overclocking ? If you think it's worth building even know the technology is older how would you proceed