Question Have to reseat GPU every boot ?

[stressato]

Hi. My gpu (MSI GTX 1050 2GB) started having problems around 5 days ago. Pc boots but no output to monitor, the integrated graphics works (and that’s a problem, since they only work when there’s no other gpu detected) everything else works tho. I plugged out the gpu and reseated it again, worked fine.
One day later, same problem and same fix.
2 days later, did that again and that didn’t solve the problem at first: I needed to wait 30 minutes with the gpu plugged out, then plug it again and finally worked.
Today (3 days later) I got the problem again, I plugged out the gpu for some minutes but the problem is just not solving. Pc boots, gpu fans spin, keyboard mouse and everything works fine, but the gpu doesn’t output to monitor; integrated graphics does.

i5-8400
H310M pro-m2
2x8 GB RAM Corsair 2667MHz
800W PSU

Any advice is appreciated.

 

[Koekieezz]

Hi. My gpu (MSI GTX 1050 2GB) started having problems around 5 days ago. Pc boots but no output to monitor, the integrated graphics works (and that’s a problem, since they only work when there’s no other gpu detected) everything else works tho. I plugged out the gpu and reseated it again, worked fine.
One day later, same problem and same fix.
2 days later, did that again and that didn’t solve the problem at first: I needed to wait 30 minutes with the gpu plugged out, then plug it again and finally worked.
Today (3 days later) I got the problem again, I plugged out the gpu for some minutes but the problem is just not solving. Pc boots, gpu fans spin, keyboard mouse and everything works fine, but the gpu doesn’t output to monitor; integrated graphics does.

i5-8400
H310M pro-m2
2x8 GB RAM Corsair 2667MHz
800W PSU

Any advice is appreciated.

could you post a gpuz 1st page screenshot of your gpu here?

 

[Deleted member 14196]

Does it work if you boot into safe mode

 

[Deleted member 14196]

How will you know until you tested? If it worked in safe mode then it means you probably got a driver issue or somethings wrong with windows. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is insanity

If it doesn’t work and save mode then you probably have some failing hardware. Go look at your reliability history and see what it tells you

 

[Deleted member 14196]

Then your GPU is failing test in another machine

 

[Deleted member 14196]

Maybe you could take it to a shop and have it tested or may be tested in a friends PC that has a spare PC

When it is working again you may try some kind of stress test on it and see what happens. Look at your event viewer logs or reliability history and see if there’s anything else going on

 

[Deleted member 14196]

I think your video card is dying and without proper testing you’ll never know.

 

[InvalidError]

I cannot think of any good reason why the motherboard would randomly decide not to detect the GPU until the GPU got re-seated. There is no power whatsoever going to the x16 slot when the PC is off so electrically-speaking, there is no real difference between turning the PC off and removing the GPU.

I'd start with making sure the motherboard has the latest BIOS, maybe there has been some PCIe compatibility enhancements somewhere along the way between whatever is on there and latest.

 

[Deleted member 14196]

How are the temperatures inside your computer? have your checked

Also what is the make and model of the power supply and how old is it

 

[Koekieezz]

SECOND UPDATE:

Yeah, it's been a month. I changed the 1050 with a 3060 and now it's working again.
1 more question, though, I got a "machpower" 800w psu - you can search it up on google, and I'm starting to get worried about it because it randomly shutted down some minutes ago.
Could the PSU be faulty? I also get a lot of noise from my PC (not fan noise) but that might be from my 3x HDDs.

yes it should be a psu faulty, i had a 1050 and a faulty cx550 after i know that my vs450 still could pass both furmark + aida fpu only, but cs couldn't, so i rma them. you better get a good psu.

 

[InvalidError]

1 more question, though, I got a "machpower" 800w psu - you can search it up on google, and I'm starting to get worried about it because it randomly shutted down some minutes ago.

I don't know who/what "machpower" is and it seems neither does Google. Assuming you spelled that correctly, I'd take that as a sign it may be a garbage-tier PSU that should be replaced on an expedited basis.

could you explain that more? you can benchmark a PSU with a software?

More of a stress-test than a benchmark.

Though what usually causes the most trouble in modern systems is fast transients: components switching between idle and full load within microseconds, heavily stressing the PSU's ability to keep voltages within specs against massive load swings.

 

[dotas1]

The pc was completely idle when he crashed, but it seems to be just fine now. By the way, that's my psu

ALIMENTATORE PC ATX 800W 24+4 PIN FULL CON. FAN 12cm SILENT - ATX & Micro ATX - Mach Power
PSU-800-SIL(datasheet) (machpower.it)

That thing, is not a PSU. It's a disaster waiting to happen. It says that it's 800w yet it only has one 6pin to power a gpu and that is unacceptable.

It's certainly garbage and I am surprised that it could power a 3060. Your 1050 might have been damaged by this PSU and your 3060 is next.

Since it only has a 6pin, how did you power the 3060 that needs an 8pin? Did you use an adapter? That's even worse...

 

[USAFRet]

I took the computer to a technician and he ordered a 3060, once it arrived he realized that the power supply needed an adapter and so he ordered it and I'm using it, and by the way the 3060 needs a 12 pin, not an 8.
I recently bought the 3060 so now I can't afford a PSU, is it okay if I get it in December anyway?

With that PSU, I would not turn it on AT ALL.
With or without the new shiny 3060.

"adapters" just make it worse.

 

[dotas1]

Sì

I took the computer to a technician and he ordered a 3060, once it arrived he realized that the power supply needed an adapter and so he ordered it and I'm using it, and by the way the 3060 needs a 12 pin, not an 8.
I recently bought the 3060 so now I can't afford a PSU, is it okay if I get it in December anyway?

12pin is for founder's edition and all other makers use the standard 6 or 8pin. I assumed yours was from another brand. My bad.

Even without the adapter that PSU is not to be used with a discrete gpu. A technician that did not see what PSU you own and recommended an adapter for the PSU, is not a trustworthy or good technician.

You should NOT use the PC at all till you replace the PSU with a reliable one. Something like RMx650 or RMx750 will be a good choice.

 

[USAFRet]

Also, if that PSU kills the 3060, would that be eligible for RMA?

No.
An RMA (warranty) is for a manufacturers defect.
Not something YOU did...like using a substandard PSU.

 

[InvalidError]

I recently bought the 3060 so now I can't afford a PSU, is it okay if I get it in December anyway?

Running a PC with an unknown or questionable quality PSU is like playing a proper game of Russian roulette. Your are very likely to run out of luck in short order.

At a glance, the cheapest PSU I saw in EU-land that I might use is the 65 euros 650W Seasonic S12-III. For around 20 extra, the EVGA G5/GD are also options and having 90+% efficiency under non-trivial load doesn't hurt either.

No.
An RMA (warranty) is for a manufacturers defect.
Not something YOU did...like using a substandard PSU.

Though they don't have any real way to tell for certain unless you volunteer extra details.

IMO though, the VRM should be rugged enough to survive most non-catastrophic PSU failures, especially the most common failure modes like bad output filtering since GPUs need tons of local bypassing just to compensate for wiring impedance already.

 

[USAFRet]

Though they don't have any real way to tell for certain unless you volunteer extra details.

True.

But a part killed by something else is not an automatic "RMA free warranty replacement"

 

[dotas1]

Before changing my psu, I'll send my psu specs:

AC INPUT: 220V - 5A 50Hz
DC OUTPUT:
+3.3V - 28A
+5V - 30A
+12V - 45A
-12V - 0.5A
+5V SB - 2.5A

Can you guys double check that my psu is bad? Cause it seems fine to me.. @InvalidError

Even without those specs the PSU is suspicious because there is NO REASON to have only one 6pin and claim to be 800w. Almost all 400+w have a 8pin which can deliver twice the wattage of a 6pin. Above 500w it's a certainty to have multiple 6/8pins.

But since you want us to comment on the specs... It's 540w (12v x 45A = 540w) and NOT 800w in reality and that is under ideal conditions. The fact that they lie about it's wattage makes it even worse to my eyes.

 

[InvalidError]

Can you guys double check that my psu is bad? Cause it seems fine to me.. @InvalidError

As dotas pointed out, the output specs make no sense for a remotely modern 800W PSU. Even my 650W PSU comes with 2x6+2 pins PCIe AUX cables.

In modern systems, practically all non-trivial loads are powered from 12V, so your PSU only being able to provide 540W on 12V already indicates that your PSU is at best based on an ancient design intended for PCs from 15+ years ago that leaned more heavily on 3.3V and 5V rails.

 

[ttower2020]

Immediately replace that PSU. Best case scenario, it works fine enough until it decides to slowly kill something plugged in, IE your GTX 1050. The higher power draw of the 3060 will only speed up the process of the PSU killing it. Worst case, because it is already likely faulty, it will completely fail very soon, and take the entire system with in, IE GPU, Mobo, CPU, RAM. That PSU might claim to be an 800W unit, but I have a hard time believing that. Get a high quality PSU, even a much lower wattage one. A good 500W will probably outperform a garbage 800W. I would recommend a 650W PSU is good for you to have plenty of headroom for the future, but you can probably go lower if you needed to.

 

[dotas1]

Ok, thanks everyone. I'm gonna use the pc until the 650W Seasonic S12-III arrives. Is that okay? I mean, 1 more (eventual) crash won't ruin everything?

It's your system, your hardware, your money.
We specifically told you NOT to use it till you replace the PSU and we explained why. It's up to you what you will do.

 

[InvalidError]

No more re-installing the GPU at every boot?

For the FPS dips, you could start with running HWInfo or similar tool to see what the performance limit reason if any gets set after you experience slow-downs.

 

[dotas1]

The miner was responsible for the fps drops but not the crashes. A miner wouldn't make a PC not being able to boot or power on and certainly would not care if you reseat your GPU. Those were certainly from the PSU.

How did you get the miner? Was anything pirated from a dodgy site?

 

[stressato]

could you post a gpuz 1st page screenshot of your gpu here?

Posting it in some minutes.

 

[stressato]

Never mind. I can’t post that since the gpu isn’t recognized. The fans are spinning and the integrated graphics are just replacing the dedicated.