darkguset
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Oh i agree with you, only you are missing the point! We are not comparing the cards in the future, we are comparing two cards right now. Too bad that AMD's card is new and still can't compete head to head with NVIDIA's solutions, which yes, they too had issues in the beggining. But if someone has to buy a card NOW, i don't see why he should lean towards AMD's shaky solution instead to the NVIDIA's one, which to tell the truth has been on the market for far far longer. Not to mention the thermal design and requirements...
NVIDIA's cards are a bit of a disappointment too in the DX10 area, but let's not forget that they have been in the market for far longer, have matured and in DX9 they still kick ass!
The part that ATI disappointed in was the fact that this huge delay on the release should have come as an advantage. It did not. 8 months of press releases and this is the best they could get at? I would have preffered not to hear anything about it and see this card out of the blue.
Maybe it has something to do with the AMD - ATI merge. Could be. The facts are facts though and until we see something better, ATI disappoints.
I, too pray that there will be a 65nm solution some time after July, with a revised core. But as everything stands at the moment... still disappointed.
And this didn't occur early on with every generation of cards sofar in some app or another? :?:
If you even look at the release notes of the latest nV driver there's some display/render issues even now. Like see through trees in Oblivion or AA making the crosshair disappear in STALKER. So really, is either perfect yet? Or have they ever been?
In the Lost Planet benchmark? C'mon that's far from a balanced test. It's a TWIMTBP benchmark that needed nVidia beta drivers to run properly after it had been optimized for nV hardware already. C'mon.
Yes that's an issue, and a strange one, it'll be interesting to see what happens with the edge detection setting, but it is an interesting artifact that appears in other cards as well.
Regarding the same benchmark (HL2 episode 1) I notice you don't mention the FOG issue, would that be because the GF8800 suffered the same fog problem at it's launch not rendering the scenecorrectly using MSAA only when using SSAA (see the original G80 review if you want to compare the MSAA to SSAA screenies)? Xbit mentions that both the GF8800 and HD2900 suffered from FOG at launch in their review;
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/r600-architecture_16.html#sect0
'Half the stuff', far from it, it didn't display a very small portion of all that is on the screen. Seriously, if you need hyperbole to sell your argument, you don't have much of a case.
Did you notice that the X1950XTX only renders part of that fence too?
They didn't compare under SSAA because the results are similar to the G80, but MSAA the X1950XTX also suffers the same issue, but with a few links being rendered instead of none.
Right now I think that they're working on both, performance and quality. But like nV shows with their current buglist in their drivers, it's a long process that won't happen overnight and will be an ongoing thing, the question is what issues garner the most attention and thus get the most focus from the Catalyst crew.
NVIDIA's cards are a bit of a disappointment too in the DX10 area, but let's not forget that they have been in the market for far longer, have matured and in DX9 they still kick ass!
The part that ATI disappointed in was the fact that this huge delay on the release should have come as an advantage. It did not. 8 months of press releases and this is the best they could get at? I would have preffered not to hear anything about it and see this card out of the blue.
Maybe it has something to do with the AMD - ATI merge. Could be. The facts are facts though and until we see something better, ATI disappoints.
I, too pray that there will be a 65nm solution some time after July, with a revised core. But as everything stands at the moment... still disappointed.
And this didn't occur early on with every generation of cards sofar in some app or another? :?:
If you even look at the release notes of the latest nV driver there's some display/render issues even now. Like see through trees in Oblivion or AA making the crosshair disappear in STALKER. So really, is either perfect yet? Or have they ever been?
In the Lost Planet benchmark? C'mon that's far from a balanced test. It's a TWIMTBP benchmark that needed nVidia beta drivers to run properly after it had been optimized for nV hardware already. C'mon.
Yes that's an issue, and a strange one, it'll be interesting to see what happens with the edge detection setting, but it is an interesting artifact that appears in other cards as well.
Regarding the same benchmark (HL2 episode 1) I notice you don't mention the FOG issue, would that be because the GF8800 suffered the same fog problem at it's launch not rendering the scenecorrectly using MSAA only when using SSAA (see the original G80 review if you want to compare the MSAA to SSAA screenies)? Xbit mentions that both the GF8800 and HD2900 suffered from FOG at launch in their review;
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/r600-architecture_16.html#sect0
'Half the stuff', far from it, it didn't display a very small portion of all that is on the screen. Seriously, if you need hyperbole to sell your argument, you don't have much of a case.
Did you notice that the X1950XTX only renders part of that fence too?
They didn't compare under SSAA because the results are similar to the G80, but MSAA the X1950XTX also suffers the same issue, but with a few links being rendered instead of none.
Right now I think that they're working on both, performance and quality. But like nV shows with their current buglist in their drivers, it's a long process that won't happen overnight and will be an ongoing thing, the question is what issues garner the most attention and thus get the most focus from the Catalyst crew.
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