HD 5830 or GTX 460

[ms5555]

Specifically these two cards:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121367
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125333

The 5830 is on sale and $30 less than the 460. I play on a 22 in lcd at 1650x1080. Just not sure if I'll see any extra performance from the 460 at that resolution.

On a sidenote I'm planning to combo this gpu with a psu from OCZ this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341017

It's 600w, or I can pay $15 more for a 700w, but I can't see myself needing the extra 100w.

 

[Helltech]

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GTX_460_Cyclone_OC_768_MB/27.html

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GTX_460_Cyclone_OC_768_MB/22.html

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GTX_460_Cyclone_OC_768_MB/28.html

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GTX_460_Cyclone_OC_768_MB/29.html


Only you can tell you if that warrents the 30 dollars or not. (remember you're looking at the 1gb version)

You will be fine with a 600w PSU, make sure you get good OCZ Ram, I have had good OCZ Ram in the past, but it seems like all of the DDR3 gets bad reviews to me.

 

[Fetal]

GTX460 FTW!

 

[eyefinity]

Helltech just linked the best case benchmarks ms5555.

You should check out tomshardware review too.

Would you pay $30 more for a card that is 20% slower in Crysis? Neither would I.

 

[Helltech]

http://www.overclock.net/graphics-cards-general/502403-graphics-card-ranking-5th-time-last.html

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3810/nvidias-geforce-gtx-460-part-2-the-vendor-cards/7

 

[ms5555]

Those charts are what I was looking for, thanks. Didn't realize that even at 1650x1080 I'd be around 20fps in some games at ultra settings with the 5830. Going from say 40 to 60 fps is not a big deal imo, it's hard to see the difference, but 22 to 30 fps is a noticeable difference.

 

[Fetal]

@eyefin: You look all tied up, die hard ATi fan, so messing with you can cost me an arm and leg for sure .

(wondering where are all those Nvidia enthusiasts when one needs them :S! F F F !!!)

 

[ms5555]

Ok now I'm confused, since half the charts say the 5830 is better, half say the 460.

 

[eyefinity]

http://www.overclock.net/graphics-cards-general/502403-graphics-card-ranking-5th-time-last.html

What the hell is that supposed to be. You think some random poster on some website who listed the cards in the performance order that he thinks they were is some kind of definitive authority?

 

[eyefinity]

Ok now I'm confused, since half the charts say the 5830 is better, half say the 460.

The 460 is very slightly faster overall, but the 5830 is faster in a lot of games - especially at higher settings. Don't trust liars like Helltech who only shows you the best case benchmarks for nVidia.

For $30 I'd want a bit more. Both cards will do you fine though and the choice is yours in the end.

 

[Helltech]

Best case scenario for Nvidia? You showed three best case scenarios for ATI. Rofl, and I have a lot more sources. You have been deemed an idiot by just about everyone on these forums as an ATI fanboy. Check my posts, I suggest ATI for MANY people, I am no fanboy.

Any by the way the people are Overclock.net are NOT randoms, anyone who knows anything knows that a very good reference for cards.

http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj48/Helltech/?action=view&current=8jQya.png

I'm not spamming these forums again like you did the other night, if you want to show more proof where the 5830 out performs the 460 go right ahead, I only did the same thing you did. There is no point in starting a flame war.

 

[Fetal]

BWHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA pawnd pawnd pwnd LMFAO!

 

[Fetal]

Helltech man you are a liar?. i never knew. rofl

 

[Helltech]

I never once said the 460 was "MUCH" better, I just showed that it performed slightly better. I also told him that that performance was something he HIMSELF had to decide on if it was worth the extra 30 dollars or not.

 

[Helltech]

Stop calling people liars and back up your words with fact please, you showed a couple games where the 5830 performs betters, where I have shown at least 7, I can do this all night, if you wish.

Obviously the 5830 will perform better on some games, on AVERAGE the 460 will perform better, only he can decide if that performance difference is enough to warrent the purchase.

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=558&Itemid=72&limit=1&limitstart=8

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=558&Itemid=72&limit=1&limitstart=9

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=558&Itemid=72&limit=1&limitstart=10

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=558&Itemid=72&limit=1&limitstart=12

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=558&Itemid=72&limit=1&limitstart=13

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=558&Itemid=72&limit=1&limitstart=14


EDIT - Btw, I love how showing someone benchmarks is lieing. XD thats hysterical.

 

[eyefinity]

The issue wasn't about the 460 being the faster card, I've said that multiple times already.

The issue was you cherry picking benchmarks (metro and unigene? ROFL) that made the OP think the 460 was a FAR better card, when the facts are, both are very close to each other. $30 is a lot of money to some people.

Any reason why, on tomshardware, you'd choose not to link the benchmarks from here? Yeah we already know why that is.

 

[Fetal]

Eyeidiotiny: sucks to be in your shoes.

 

[Helltech]

The issue wasn't about the 460 being the faster card, I've said that multiple times already.

The issue was you cherry picking benchmarks (metro and unigene? ROFL) that made the OP think the 460 was a FAR better card, when the facts are, both are very close to each other. $30 is a lot of money to some people.

Obviously you missed ALL of the benchmarks on my last post.

When did I tell the OP to buy the 460? I showed him benchmarks and told him to make his own decision.

And here are more...

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=558&Itemid=72&limit=1&limitstart=7

I have no problem showing the OP posts where the 5830 performs betters, I'm just going through my history is all, its good that he sees when the 5830 will perform better, you seem to have those handy, you do the work..

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2010/test_nvidia_geforce_gtx_460/5/

Look here eyefinity I'll throw you a bone...

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2010/test_nvidia_geforce_gtx_460/17/#abschnitt_stalker__call_of_pripyat

I don't care what the OP picks, as long as he has enough knoweldge to make the decision that suites him best.

 

[ms5555]

Guys no need for flames. Just wanted some info to review which you gave me, thanks.

 

[Helltech]

You should be happy with what ever decision you make. =]

 

[Bluescreendeath]

The GTX460 is better than the 5830.

The 5830 is a stripped down 5870 (it has a very long PCB so make sure it can even fit in your case).

In Crysis, the GTX460 performs equal to the 5830 in other benchmarks I've seen. (and equal to 2x 5850s in Xfire if you Sli the GTX460s due to great scaling)
In Crysis Warhead, the GTX460 performs better than the 5830.

Overall, the GTX460 actually performs between a 5830 and 5850.


Here are some Crysis Warhead benchmarks.

 

[ms5555]

I'm sure I will! Actually though I'm looking to buy my video card now, comboing it with the psu for later when I finish my build. I want to hold off a month or two to buy the whole pc, but thought that I might be able to use a new card now in my current setup. This is the mobo I have now with an athalon 64 x2 2.01 ghz and a 600w psu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131040

Also have an ati x1900 xt 512mb currently.

Do you think both of these cards (the hd 5830 or the gtx 460) will work in my setup? Also my processor might be kind of a bottle neck at this point- is it even worth purchasing now? Prices can only go down I figure, but I'd gladly buy now if it's going to get me better fps in sc2 or wow.

 

[eyefinity]

ignore this.

 

[eyefinity]

Yeah I had a look at your current motherboard and the cards will work ok, they'll just be seriously bottlenecked by the cpu.

I guess there is no harm in buying a better card now, but do you know that ATI has their 6000 series cards coming out in october/november? If you are going to upgrade or buy a brand new pc, I'd wait till then. Even if you decide to go with the 460 or 5830 then, they'll both be cheaper after the 6000 series is out. Right now you aren't going to get the best out of a 460 or a 5830, your cpu is gonna bottleneck it.

 

[ms5555]

Ah well looks like all this forum talk was wasted then if I should just hold out! Thanks for the tips, appreciate it greatly.