Help!.. Any overclock not seeming stable in prime 95 ERROR CODE I7-4770k antec 650 kuhler 1.216v 4.2ghz high temps in stress test?

[Apparent]

Hi guys,
Can somebody please help me with my issue,
it goes like this I have an i7 4770k which I set to 4.2 overclock auto in ASUS rog vii hero motherboard. The core volts seem too high at 1.216.
I understand not everychip is the same but I ran into another issue that is when I play games like battlefield 4 at this overclock,temps on first two cores are around 60,the others at around 50 shadow of mordor or other games are like 55 in all cores and these are consistent reports im getting,however when running stress test like prime95 or OCCT I get 80 minimum & each monitoring software reports different temps ai suite 3 around 60 HW MONITOR around 80,74,81,the OCCT stress itself reports fail after couple of mins 88•C ( have reach over value message).Prime was around the same but while running prime I quickly opened Msi afterburner which reported all cores hitting the 100 mark completely,while prime looked similiar to it also.

Could my ram (which is 32gb)vengeance pro 2133mhz running at that speed under XMP be the cause of higher core voltage here..?.I have read that RAM at high frequencies may benefit from higher cpu overclock & wandered whether the auto tune could have pushed the voltage higher based on this,but kept 4.2 at best to compensate for the ram frequencies ?it blue screened when I tried the 4.4ghz,Whether setting from bios or ai suite 3 Digi intelligent processor 5.

Please bear in mind This issue is with AIO the antec 650 kuhler which never gives temps higher than 69 on most toughest game load I put on it usually 60 with this overclock & 55 without at stock clock with turbo boost enabled whilst playing bf4.
I must mention the voltage I think is set to auto setting but since I'm really new to overclocking on cpu I don't know how I would go about checking another route like setting the voltage to manual for example without wrecking things further & the correct process. Could that ( auto) be the problem here?

I did notice the voltage went to 1.297 & I began to worry, also for the last time hopefully i did run OCCT from cold boot but prime was running after system was on for half hour or more which maybe why it reported more than OCCT if that is the case.

My thanks go to all of you for helpful advice in advance, I was going to just go back & leave at stock.

I7 4770k
ASUS rog Maximus vii hero
32gb corsair vengeance pro XMP profile( set at its rating 2133mhz)
corsair AX760 platinum PSU
GTX titan X
Antec 650 kuhler
Windows 7 64bit

Complete Build is around 8months old & all parts (apart from Titan x ) bought together working perfectly since. System is fine but this overclock seems to be a problem

Update: I have tried old version of prime 95 & used real temp to monitor & made a big difference however I got blue screen at the settings all on auto no overclock, just setting core ratio to sync all cores & ram to XMP.

BCcode: 124
BCP1:0000000000000000
BCP2: FFFFFA8019F6C021
BCP3:00000000B2000000
BCP4:0000000000010014

 

[ShakedG]

Go with AIDA64 and definitely do not run the latest version of Prime95 on Haswell!! Especially not small FFTs. Download AIDA64 and run the stress test (leave every option as it is). Also, you are overclocking your memory controller. Here's my advice: 1. DO NOT USE AUTO TUNE. 2. Set your RAM to 1600 MHz, then when you have found a stable overclock start increasing in small increments. 3. Overclock the CPU yourself and set the voltage to manual, not auto, to make sure the stress test doesn't increase the voltage (this happens with haswell).

 

[Apparent]

ShakedG...thanks for that,I will try it out.I was using later version of prime95 & read that latest version was bad & so I tried earlier one which did make a difference by 20•c but still blue screened which is why now I will try your advice. I thought the memory was supposed to be set to the speed it came at 2133mhz which is why I set the XMP profile.I didn't know that was overclocking.I thought leaving at 1333mhz was like underclocking,but your advice has helped me already so I will try AIDA64 & setting RAM to 1600mhz & leave all settings on auto except voltage, which I will set to manual then small increments on the the speed.

 

[ShakedG]

Manual voltage for both DRAM and for the CPU. Then set DRAM voltage to 1.65 and CPU voltage to 1.2 and the CPU ratio to 44. Then test (you will probably fail, but this is a point to start with). Raise the voltage by 0.025 every time and test, if after ~10 minutes it is stable then you can either keep going up with the frequency, or be happy with it and keep testing (AIDA64 about 2 hours is enough). However if you reach high temps then decrease the frequency and the voltage. When you have found a good, stable overclock with nice temps it is also recomended to raise the cache ratio as much as possible untill you come as close as possible to match the CPU frequency (stay with the same voltages).
Once you have found a stable overclock with good temps, start raising your DRAM frequency by small increments, and test each time.
When you are done with everything stress again for at least 2 hours (best to leave it overnight or even longer) to make sure you are as stable as possible.

 

[Apparent]

ShakedG thanks for quick reply. I did run fpu test at 4.2 ghz & 1.2volts manual, RAM manual at 1600mhz but temps are high 94 max. On core1-93,core2-87,core3-84,core4-77 & Max on core 1 is 94.

What should I be doing now because this seems too high..?I know if I run the full test CPU,GPU,cache & memory it should be less, but this is high I would think for closed loop...also first 2 cores are significantly higher than the others what gives?

 

[Apparent]

Ok I really should have checked this before but I put everything running at stock but the temps are the same,mid 90s,80s & 70s is something not reading correctly here ,sensors In softwares or cooler?

 

[ShakedG]

download speccy and use it to monitor temps. Also when was it that high? When idle or while running AIDA64? What are the idle temps?

 

[ShakedG]

Also make sure that your waterblock (of the CPU cooler) is connected to a chassis fan header, and not a CPU fan header. And make sure it is set in the BIOS to always run at full speed. Maybe also check and see if all the fans are spinning (just in case you forgot to plug in the fan).

 

[Apparent]

No,those are temps while stressing & on aida I get the same recording as prime 95 more or less.

I just tested something after reading that on some asus boards that if you enable XMP & leave on turbo boost then these boards up the temps somehow.?

I did test this & my temps went down to 67 hitting 71• sometimes but mainly hottest core around 67. Lowest core around 58,This is at 3.5ghz stock & XMP 2133mhz 32 GB, so huge difference by doing this,
then I thought I would try turbo 3.9ghz no XMP 1333mhz on ram & also gave same temps but if I enable both together (turbo 3.9ghz with 2133 memory high temps again, so then I tried turbo with 1600 memory same thing. I read a review that somebody said these boards pump more voltage than necessary causing high temps & no way to get out of it except disable XMP & run turbo or leave turbo & run 1333mhz. Is this true? Why would this ROG board be built for such a wide range of components to centre around overclocking but actually do different, I refuse to believe this review,sounds way out.

I re applied thermal paste & seated cooler as accurate & carefully as I could which knocked of 2 degrees but that's it.

I just don't get it, the colour at those temps ( without overclock) even at sixty should change colour to purple or even deep pink but it only gets to deep blue, & with the overclock temps then in that case the colour should be red but it doesn't happen it stays purple.
Also I don't think the fan spins as fast as it should be... All this looks like (coming as a noob)like inaccurate readings not from software itself but sensor or something.

The air coming out doesn't feel hot.

I will try the fan in other header I mean the waterblock fan pin. P.s sorry I was busy over this beginning of weekend.

 

[Apparent]

One other thing. If I plug the kuhler into chassis fan header & run at full speed will that be ok even though it's supposed to be disabled? Reason I asked is because if I set to dc or other I think I've had errors where system crashes with CPU fan error. But ok when disabling...

 

[Apparent]

Ok ShakedG man! I couldn't do the fan because it won't allow to set at full speed I think because of the integrated firmware.

Was ignore, manual auto settings I think & when selecting manual just gives tweaking options in detail for setting.

Anyhow I tried speccy ( thanks for the software by the way I like it) & it showed same temps also excuse me kuhler is working fine & speeds seem fine but yeah the temps averaging 85•,max 94•c this was at running 3.9ghz XMP RAM enabled by the way, voltage is 1.237 in CPU z what's that about..?
Is then what this guy saying true that it will overvolt on asus boards like mine or maybe CPU will run like that?

 

[ShakedG]

3.9 GHz RAM is a HUGE overclock to your memory controller. Bring it down to 1600 MHz manually, and then try it again. As for your cooler: note what number the waterblock is plugged into, then from BIOS go to Qfan tuning and set that fan to full speed.

 

[Apparent]

Oh! Really sorry I didn't mean the ram I meant the CPU clock 3.9ghz so normal setting in bios default to CPU.

I did go to fan tuning but could not get to run it at full speed.I put it in chassis no.3 & did check settings in bios & match it,however it didn't seem like an option it just shows the settings as standard silent turbo etc & doesn't allow me to set from there.
I selected DC MODE & Also tried disabled to see if it could run on its own but I kept getting CPU error. I will try look again more carefully if I can

 

[Apparent]

I've looked at CPU z at desktop idle no programs & the voltage at 3.5ghz 2133mhz ram is between 0.719v& 0.813v is this ok? & then when I run aida it goes to 1.100 but if I enable turbo boost 3.9 ghz it's goes to 1.237v...am I supposed to change voltage which in bios ranges between 1.024, 1.056 or 1.072..?These are at stock& XMP.. Also at 3.5ghz & 2133 ram fan speed are 1900rpm & with turbo boost enabled then it's 2200 85•c average max 94•c I know this fan is supposed to run 2400rpm at full speed. I did enable the full fan speed in QFAN but do I set the bios setting then to pwm?

 

[Apparent]

I just set multiplier to 42 so 42 ghz & 1.175 voltage manual running fine but my fan won't spin past 729 temps were initially looking way better than even 3.9ghz around 80 as opposed to the 85 to 94 I was getting. Don't understand why it won't spin I think this is the problem right here

 

[Apparent]

I just set multiplier to 42 so 42 ghz & 1.175 voltage manual running fine but my fan won't spin past 729 temps were initially looking way better than even 3.9ghz around 80 as opposed to the 85 to 94 I was getting. Don't understand why it won't spin I think this is the problem right here

 

[Apparent]

Ok ShakedG..I found a way to set the fan on the CPU header rather than another one.
So I set it & it is now running much better.I did it through installing AI SUITE 3 temps now are averaging for 3.9ghz CPU 2133mgz RAM at 72•c so around 13•c less but i also set the voltage manually like you said before & so I did it at 1.100v Which is what was causing the high temps & the fan setting just gave that small extra bit on top otherwise there were issues sometimes with the fan not spinning passed 724rpm, which would give an extra rise in temps passed the already problematic 85• pushing it to lower 90s & sometimes even above.

If I leave voltage on auto then it runs at 1.237v. So at these frequency 3.9ghz with a voltage of 1.100 ,2133mhz RAM & 72•c under closed loop AIO,would these temps be considered ok or bad or normal?

Battlefield 4,dying light I reach around 50, 52•c most.....

 

[ShakedG]

Those temps are great. Just to be clear: you plugged the CPU fans into the CPU fan header, and the pump into a chassis header, right? you need to be absolutely sure that the pump always runs at 12V. What I did was plug the pump straight into the PSU with a molex connector (goes for about 5 bucks). Your best bet would be to plug the water block to a molex connector, and the fans to the mobo. Also regarding the fan tuning: go to the BIOS, and press f6, then select your pump (chassis 3) and then select full speed (one of the options there)

 

[Apparent]

No I didn't do that....? I plugged fan header to join into the pump the one with the splitter,then I plugged the pump into CPU chassis header...? I'm saying whoops! In my head like a scared noob. So I should do it the way you said above...?

 

[Apparent]

Im so dumb...that is what you were patiently telling me the whole time wasn't it....(CPU block into CPU header).Wow what happened to me how did I miss that I'm gonna try now....

 

[Apparent]

Ok so I did what you said set fan 3 to full speed (pump) but on monitor screen what do I set for chassis fan 3 & what mode for CPU fan. I mean on the actual monitor & control screen of QFAN not on f6 page? Tried it but but have I set wrong mode it sounds extremely loud at 1234rpm & full speed like a washing machine?

 

[ShakedG]

If you hear "whoosh" sounds that's normal for the first couple of days. As for the fan tuning the f6 option is just a simpler way to do it, if you want to do it through the monitoring screen then set the fan 3 speed to manual, then set every option there to 100%. As for the actual fan, plug that into the CPU fan header, and then set it to either standard or silent. Also be careful with AI Suite as it will try to force lower speeds on your pump. If you do use AI Suite and Fan Xpert, then make sure to manually set the pump to full speed.

 

[Apparent]

ShakedG! Erase your profile Now!... you left out the genius in G. I don't believe it you were solving everything from the beginning & gave me a 3 in 1 solution. Thankyou ShakedGenius you taught me a lot I really mean it & you went out your way with your time for me & patience & prompt direct absolutely spot on advice.Every solution I must make clear was completely correct you have given me multiple solutions not one but it appears as one.I sorted my system feeling confident with the steps you gave me & readyfor overclocking. Take care my man....

 

[ShakedG]

Glad I could be of help! I wish you best of luck with your system, and have fun!