[SOLVED] Help choosing components - 12th or 13 gen; is mobo fine?

[septune]

Hi, I'm in the market for some parts. The motherboard is around the most I'm looking to spend, but if anyone knows of a better option at a similar or lower price, or if there is something important I should know, please let me know - but keep in mind that these are Canadian prices and what I would need to be buying in.

Motherboard:
https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16813162088

The thing I'm more wondering is which CPU I should go with. For the prices here, the 12600k appears to be significantly better price/performance, given that that site that compares them said the 13600k was only 11% better, yet it's nearly $100 less here. I don't do extensive workloads on the computer. Would I be missing out going forward with the slightly older CPU vs the newest i5?

https://www.newegg.ca/intel-core-i5-12600k-core-i5-12th-gen/p/N82E16819118347
https://www.newegg.ca/intel-core-i5-13600k-core-i5-13th-gen/p/N82E16819118416

 

[Darkbreeze]

So, the 13700k has about a 26% better multithreaded performance rating, but only about a 5% better single core performance rating. Personally I find it hard to recommend paying an extra hundred dollars for a five percent gain in single core/IPS performance gain. However the 13600k does have 14 cores with 20 total threads compared to the 10 cores with 16 threads of the 12600k so if you know you will be doing a considerable amount of heavy multitasking, such as running MANY heavy applications at the same time, or running many different processes such as mods, overlays, multiple/many browser tabs, streaming, recording or other related activities WHILE gaming, then those extra cores might be worth the additional investment.

If you know you won't be doing any heavy multitasking and primarily only game without a lot of other stuff going on while gaming, or only run primarily individual applications at any one time, then those extra cores probably aren't worth much to you and especially not worth an extra hundred bucks.

 

[septune]

Thanks for the reply, I appreciate the info. It's going to be an everyday computer and I'd like to hopefully put in a 4070 or something like it some months down the line. I won't have several things going at once while gaming or that often even generally. Insofar as the motherboard, is it fine?

 

[Darkbreeze]

There's nothing inherently "wrong" or "bad" about that board.

I assume you INTENDED to go with a DDR5 model rather than a DDR4 compatible board? Was there a particular reason why?

Also, Z790 really isn't a necessity. You could go with a Z690 model or a Z790 DDR4 model, and save yourself some money on both the cost of the board AND the memory, without sacrificing anything except an extra USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 port, and honestly who is using more than one of these (If even that) anyhow yet (Besides which most boards already have multiple 2x2 ports so an extra one really isn't much added value to be honest), and potentially PCIe 5.0 support, which also is no major loss since there are really no PCIe 5.0 devices that can make use of that support anyhow aside from a handful of newly released PCIe 5.0 M.2 NVME drives. And the PCIe 4.0 NVME drives that already exist and are compatible, as well as 3.0 drives, are so damn fast anyhow that for sequential transfers you're already so fast that you probably won't ever know the difference anyhow, and for random operations you'll never see those speeds anyway, so it's kind of like having a sixth gear on a car that can already do 200mph in fifth gear. Great, but when and how would you ever use it? LOL.

But either way, that board is fine. In fact, probably better than it even needs to be for either of those CPUs.

 

[septune]

There's nothing inherently "wrong" or "bad" about that board.

I assume you INTENDED to go with a DDR5 model rather than a DDR4 compatible board? Was there a particular reason why?

Also, Z790 really isn't a necessity. You could go with a Z690 model or a Z790 DDR4 model, and save yourself some money on both the cost of the board AND the memory, without sacrificing anything except an extra USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 port, and honestly who is using more than one of these (If even that) anyhow yet (Besides which most boards already have multiple 2x2 ports so an extra one really isn't much added value to be honest), and potentially PCIe 5.0 support, which also is no major loss since there are really no PCIe 5.0 devices that can make use of that support anyhow aside from a handful of newly released PCIe 5.0 M.2 NVME drives. And the PCIe 4.0 NVME drives that already exist and are compatible, as well as 3.0 drives, are so damn fast anyhow that for sequential transfers you're already so fast that you probably won't ever know the difference anyhow, and for random operations you'll never see those speeds anyway, so it's kind of like having a sixth gear on a car that can already do 200mph in fifth gear. Great, but when and how would you ever use it? LOL.

But either way, that board is fine. In fact, probably better than it even needs to be for either of those CPUs.

Thanks, based on your response I think I will still get it. Comparable DDR4 motherboards weren't significantly cheaper and I don't upgrade parts often, so I'd like to have some next-gen features for if I do end up wanting components that can make use of them some years down the road. I've seen 2x8 GB of DDR5 5200 for around $150, which I'm fine with. I know that people seem to go with 32GB - 64GB of memory, but I've never had more than 10GB in use at one time, which itself was very rare, so I think? more than 16GB is redundant for me.

 

[Darkbreeze]

16GB should be fine.

 

[Why_Me]

Hi, I'm in the market for some parts. The motherboard is around the most I'm looking to spend, but if anyone knows of a better option at a similar or lower price, or if there is something important I should know, please let me know - but keep in mind that these are Canadian prices and what I would need to be buying in.

Motherboard:
https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16813162088

The thing I'm more wondering is which CPU I should go with. For the prices here, the 12600k appears to be significantly better price/performance, given that that site that compares them said the 13600k was only 11% better, yet it's nearly $100 less here. I don't do extensive workloads on the computer. Would I be missing out going forward with the slightly older CPU vs the newest i5?

https://www.newegg.ca/intel-core-i5-12600k-core-i5-12th-gen/p/N82E16819118347
https://www.newegg.ca/intel-core-i5-13600k-core-i5-13th-gen/p/N82E16819118416

The Intel Core i5 13400 / 13400F is due to be released January 3rd along with the new B760 boards. Leaked benches have that cpu running on par with the i5 12600K. Pair the 13400F up with one of those new B760 DDR5 boards. Expect a decent B760 DDR5 board to sell for around $250 CAD which includes a better audio codec than that Asrock board in your link. PC Canada has the 13400F listed at $291 CAD but expect to find that cpu for cheaper at other Canadian retailers (PC Canada is known for their high prices).

https://www.pc-canada.com/item/mm-9...roc-10-cores-20mb-cache-4-6-ghz/bx8071513400f
Intel Core i5-13400F $291.99 CAD

If looking for a cpu cooler for the 13400 / 13400F then either of these will work just fine.

https://www.vuugo.com/deepcool-cpu-fan-R-AG620-BKNNMN-G-1.html
DeepCool AG620 Dual Tower CPU Cooler $65.89 CAD

https://www.deepcool.com/products/C...-AG620-Dual-Tower-CPU-Cooler/2022/15900.shtml

or ...

https://www.vuugo.com/deepcool-cpu-coolers-R-AK620-BKNNMT-G.html
DeepCool AK620 Dual Tower CPU Cooler $75.79 CAD

https://global.deepcool.com/product...-High-Performance-CPU-Cooler/2021/13067.shtml

https://www.techpowerup.com/302215/msis-b760-mag-tomahawk-pictured-ahead-of-official-launch

Intel B760 Motherboards & 13th Gen Non-K CPUs To Launch on 3rd January, 2023

Intel will be launching its mainstream B760 motherboards and 13th Gen Non-K CPUs on the 3rd of January, just around CES 2023.

wccftech.com

 

[septune]

The Intel Core i5 13400 / 13400F is due to be released January 3rd along with the new B760 boards. Leaked benches have that cpu running on par with the i5 12600K. Pair the 13400F up with one of those new B760 DDR5 boards. Expect a decent B760 DDR5 board to sell for around $250 CAD which includes a better audio codec than that Asrock board in your link. PC Canada has the 13400F listed at $291 CAD but expect to find that cpu for cheaper at other Canadian retailers (PC Canada is known for their high prices).

https://www.pc-canada.com/item/mm-9...roc-10-cores-20mb-cache-4-6-ghz/bx8071513400f
Intel Core i5-13400F $291.99 CAD

If looking for a cpu cooler for the 13400 / 13400F then either of these will work just fine.

https://www.vuugo.com/deepcool-cpu-fan-R-AG620-BKNNMN-G-1.html
DeepCool AG620 Dual Tower CPU Cooler $65.89 CAD

https://www.deepcool.com/products/C...-AG620-Dual-Tower-CPU-Cooler/2022/15900.shtml

or ...

https://www.vuugo.com/deepcool-cpu-coolers-R-AK620-BKNNMT-G.html
DeepCool AK620 Dual Tower CPU Cooler $75.79 CAD

https://global.deepcool.com/product...-High-Performance-CPU-Cooler/2021/13067.shtml

https://www.techpowerup.com/302215/msis-b760-mag-tomahawk-pictured-ahead-of-official-launch

Intel B760 Motherboards & 13th Gen Non-K CPUs To Launch on 3rd January, 2023

Intel will be launching its mainstream B760 motherboards and 13th Gen Non-K CPUs on the 3rd of January, just around CES 2023.

wccftech.com

Hey, appreciate the response. Could you elaborate on what you mean by "due to be released Jan 3rd", since the link you provided says from PC-Canada says, "Date first available 11/16/2022"?

Edit: I think they are just early releases. Comparing what I see from the 13400 to the 12600k, I think I will probably still get the 12600k. While it certainly would be worth it for the 13400f, I will need the iGPU until I buy a new video card. The 13400 being near the same price as that 12600k, which seems to be effectively the same CPU but with a locked core multiplier, I think makes the 12600k makes more sense here.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Yes. I would not wait either.

 

[SyCoREAPER]

Man, unfortunate timing. Microcenter had the 13700K for $380 + $20 off a motherboard.

Still have the 13700K but it's up to $400 now

 

[Darkbreeze]

Man, unfortunate timing. Microcenter had the 13700K for $380 + $20 off a motherboard.

Still have the 13700K but it's up to $400 now

They are in Canada. There are no Microcenters in Canada anyhow.

 

[SyCoREAPER]

They are in Canada. There are no Microcenters in Canada anyhow.

Honestly only read the body and didn't even notice the .ca links until you said Canada.

Well, we get Microcenter, they get Canada. Fair trade off.

 

[Darkbreeze]

LOL.