HELP !! I need help choosing Processor !!!!!!

Stoobie777

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Pentium® 4 Processor 550 with HT Technology (3.40GHz, 800 FSB)
Pentium® 4 Processor 560 with HT Technology (3.60GHz, 800 FSB) [add $87
Pentium® 4 Processor 570 with HT Technology (3.80GHz, 800 FSB) [add $214
Pentium® 4 Processor w/ HT Tech Extreme Edition (3.46GHz, 1066 FSB) [add $387

Which Should I pick ?????

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Stoobie777 on 11/30/04 11:40 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
 

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Depends on how much you want to spend.

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Which is??? The 570 I would pick...

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I think the 570 would be faster than the Extreme Edition that costs more..


the 560 seems to be the sweet spot for price/performance, but ifyou dont mind spending then go for the fastest, no need to ask which is better :p

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in some areas, you can always increase the bus speed with the 570 to overcome this, with the EE, your o/c is limited.

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You would probably get more value out of the AMD Athlon 64 Socket 939 platform, at least have a look at the pricing, check comparative benchmarks and consider this :

Intel's LGA775 systems require expenside DDR2 memory while AMD's PGA939 uses widespread and affordable DDR.

Intel's LGA775 motherboard are more expensive and a lot more rare than PGA939 motherboard, chances are that you will have to go looking high and low for a specific LGA775 motherboard or settle down with an inferior model while having to dish out a lot more money.

Although considered a minor issue in northern climates, Pentium 4's generate a lot more heat than comparable Athlon 64's which will dissipate as little as 50% less heat on a 90nm process and are a lot more overclockable using air cooling.

Furthermore, Intel's CPUs will slow themselves down when they reach a certain temperature under load, why pay hundreads of dollars more for a higher rated model that will run just as slow as an inferior one ?

There is more to computers than just the CPU, you need to factor in the cost of the motherboard, memory and the video card. The price difference between AMD's and Intel's platform can mean that you'll have to limit yourself to an inferior video card instead of being able to afford a bleeding edge one.

Let's start with an hypothetical 1000$ budget for the core components...

Intel

LGA775 P4 3.4GHz 281$
Gigabyte GA-8ANXP-D 241$
1GB KVR DDR2 PC3200 296$
GeForce PCX 5900 128MB 176$
Total 994$


AMD

PGA939 A64 3500+ 90nm 290$
GA-K8NS Ultra-939 105$
1GB 2-3-3-6 PC-3200 199$
Radeon x800 Pro 256MB 399$
Total 993$

I rest my case =)

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Sounds to me tho if you have the money to spend on that kinda cpu ($1000) then u should probably also have the money to buy the high end additional components which go with it. I would get the 3.8 570, from what Ive heard its gonna kick the EE out on the street as the best processor.
 

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I would also say that if your going to be spending that kinda money on a CPU u should seriously consider buying a high end preconfigured rig from somewhere, there are some kick ass systems that you can buy and would probably save u some money.
 

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The Place I am getting the PC from does not carry AMD , so AMD is not option for me . Please help me pick from the processors I have listed
Thanks for the opions , keep them coming
 

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There really is no such thing as far as the best product is concerned, DIY is the only way to go.

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Here is the SYSTEM configuration , I am buying this from dell becuase I have a special coupon for a large percentage off.

Dell Dimension XPS Series - Gen 4 Pentium® 4 Processor w/ HT Tech Extreme Edition (3.46GHz, 1066 FSB) ME341H [221-7046]

Operating System Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional WPXP [313-7222][462-4610][412-0688][420-4838][420-4927]

Memory 4GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 533MHz (4x1GB) 4GB5 [311-3778]

Keyboard Dell Wireless Keyboard and Optical Mouse WIREKM [310-4164]

Monitors SAVE $150! Dell 20 inch UltraSharp™ 2005FPW Widescreen, adj stand, VGA 2005PPP [463-5141]

Video Card 256MB PCI Express™ x16 (DVI/VGA/TV-out) ATI Radeon™ X800 XT X800XT [320-3916]

Hard Drive 148GB 10,000 RPM RAID 0 (2 x 74GB SATA HDDs) 148R0 [341-1003]

Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices 3.5 in Floppy Drive FD [340-1927]

Mouse Mouse included in Dell Wireless Package N [310-1966]

Network Interface Integrated Gigabit Ethernet IN [430-0742]

Modem 56K PCI Data Fax Modem DFAX [313-2279]

Document Management Adobe® Acrobat® Reader 6.0 AAREAD [412-0705]

CD or DVD Drive Dual Drives: 48x CD-RW Drive + 16x DVD+/-RW w/ double layer write capable CDR6DVR [313-2998][420-4919]

Sound Cards Sound Blaster Audigy™ 2 ZS (D) Card w/Dolby 5.1, IEEE 1394 capability SBA2X [313-3114]

Speakers Klipsch Promedia Ultra 5.1 Speaker System KLIPSCH [A0246235][461-3821]

Productivity Software Microsoft Office Basic - Includes Outlook, Word, Excel BASICC [412-0449]

2nd Hard Drive 400GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) 400SB [341-0994]

Digital Music Dell Jukebox Premium - Jukebox PLUS w/ lifetime upgrades to future versions MMPLAT [412-0743]

Digital Photography Combo: Paint Shop Pro and Photo Album Premium DPSCOMB [412-0527]

Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options SAVE $80 instantly with the Premium Service Package plus Nights and Weekend QDHS4 [950-7447][412-0359][980-5858][980-5869][412-0358][900-9773][960-2800][960-3870][902-0653]

XPS Specialized Support Dimension XPS, Specialized Support XPSSUPP [960-2697]

Optional Second Monitor 20.1 in 2001FP Dell Ultrasharp™ Digital Flat Panel Display 2001FP [320-3851]

Dell Media Experience Dell Media Experience™ Deluxe with Remote Control DLXCOM [412-0671][412-0672]

Special Holiday Game Offer FREE Myst IV Revelation MYSTP [A0417616]

I was thinking of running a total of 4 hardrives the 148GB 10,000 RPM RAID 0 (2 x 74GB SATA HDDs) 148R0 [341-1003] and then running a second set of raid Hardrives like 2 400gb RAID 0
 

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DIY as in Do It Yourself !

Building a computer is easy, a trained monkey could do it for a few peanuts and a ripe banana, the required skill level is less than what you need to know to build a bird house, very basic understanding of how a screwdriver works is all you need.

If you have some kind of screwdriver-phobia, contact your local independant computer store, not only will you support your local economy, they will most likely be able to beat Dell's overpriced computer.

Pre-built rigs from big corps like Dell, Compaq and the likes are made with the components from the lowest bidder, meaning that you'll get slow RAM from an unknown manufacturer, an El-Cheapo PSU that barely provide enough juice, a brittle & cramped case, a non standard, crippled motherboard and tech support that will have you wait for 45 minutes on the phone just to talk to a moron that barely understand your questions or complaints and answers them by reading from an outdated textbook.

A Do It Yourself 'rig will beat the crap out of those overpriced pre-builts for half the price anytime ! Sure, you got to be knowledgeable enough to pick the most cost effective hardware and build it yourself but the reward is that priceless feeling that your computer is truly unique and knowing that rich morons will never come close to understanding why they got ripped off.



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Enjoy getting Dell'ed and watch out for the fine-prints...



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You live and you learn, the argument that SidVic just laid out has some merit. The tech support is usually terrible. I have stayed on the phone for 6 hours just to have a tech rep help me long enough to tell me that I should reformat the HD and call back if that didnt work. What a joke! When you put the time and reserach in to building your own system, you will learn more about your system and computers in general than you can probably imagine. Oh, and you may want to do more research either way you go. I think that you mentioned you were getting 4 GIG of RAM. I cant say for sure, but I have read in quite a few other post on this site that unless you are running an application that requires more than two GIG of RAM, that Windows will actually get bogged down by more than 2 GIG. Dont take my word for it, go to the memory section and ask that question.

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Mozz is right, the maximum adressable memory space for a 32bit system is 4GB, even 2GB is problematic due to the virtual pagefile, anything close or above that involve some sort of assembly voodoo, compatibility problems and a painfull performance hit.

A64 or Opteron system on Linux won't have that problem, those can adress up to 16 Exabytes (Giga-Gigabytes!) with a theorical full implementation of the 64bitness, nowadays, only(!) 282 Terabytes are within the A64 48bit virtual adress range.

BTW, DDR2 is extremely expensive and 1GB DDR2 modules are just way overpriced when compared to "standard" DDR memory, 350 to 400$ a pop, what a rip-off ! I could build a complete system just from the money the memory cost !

That's just sad...



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What's the cost of this system config, Stoobie? If you're curious, we might be able to tell you what the building cost of that system is. (That is a very fast set of parts though.)

I also recommend you drop some of that RAM. Unless you're going to use this system to help Pixar develop and render their next movie, you won't ever use more than 1GB. Current games run great with 512MB AFAIK. I have 2GB in the system that I built for working on visual effects, and it can handle huge scenes in Maya, lots of textures open in Photoshop, the current render of the video in RAW AVI open in Premiere, and a music program with large WAV samples, all loaded and running <i>at the same time</i>, without running out of RAM. And that was back when I only had 1 GB of RAM. You will <b>never</b> use 4GB.

edit: and, btw, with some of the other components you've chosen, I don't see any reason you should not drop another $200-ish on the fastest processor. You're already going beyond "all out crazy best system ever regardless of price", just from the other components. (those speakers add $400 to the price by themselves! But they are awesome. I have that set, and I'm glad I have it.)<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by grafixmonkey on 11/30/04 11:24 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 

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Let Stoobie get his Dell blanket so he feels all warm and fuzzy. Since he has enough money to get 'what he wants' the suggestions here won't matter. If that is indeed the case, then buy the premium parts and be happy. Just don't come back and read the posts and find out how much you are missing by choosing the Dell route.

For a govt institution, such as the one I work for, Dell is a nice procurement option (no upgrading here, we buy new every 15 months). For general home use pc with limited scalability, Dell is a comfort purchase for many. For those who want a high pc muscle to $ ratio, home built systems are a satisfying route to take.

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Satisfying route to take until you call tech support the first time! :cool:

I have a feeling that I could pay someone to build this system, then turn around and sell it to this guy for the same price that Dell charges and still make a profit.
 

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Get the most expensive one, even both for all I care...

*cough*ripoff*cough*



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