Help me decide between 2 gaming PCs

[Mediocre]

I am buying a new pc and I need to decide,maybe you can help me...
I will name the first one "John",and the second one "Simon"
They cost about the same,and i have enough money for any of those two.


John

AMD FX 6300 3,5GHZ 6-Core
GIGABYTE GA-78LMT-S2
8GB Kinston Fury 1866Mhz DDR3
Gigabyte R7 370 2GB OC
250GB Seagate Baracuda
AW C550 500W Red +120mm led cooler

vs

Simon

Intel i3 6100 3,7GHZ Skylake 14nm
GIGABYTE H110M-DS2 DDR4
G.SKILL 8GB Ripjaws V 2400Mhz DDR4
Gigabyte R7 360 2GB OC
HDD: 250GB Baracuda
AW C550 500W Red +120mm led cooler

John has better graphics card,and Simon has better RAM.
I think I3 > FX,but i still need some advice.
Thank you.

 

[CTurbo]

Are these pre-builts? Neither are very good, but Simon has a much better foundation (cpu, motherboard, and RAM). Both of them would probably need a psu upgrade.

All John has going for it is a better video card. Everything else sucks.

 

[superninja12]

simon without the r7 360 its a waste of money, also the psu sucks.

 

[Tyemer]

I would go with the "Simon" build because the Intel Skylake processors are actually very good.

But you should get a 750 ti for the better performance, or even spend like $40-50 more on a 950.

 

[Mediocre]

Are these pre-builts? Neither are very good, but Simon has a much better foundation (cpu, motherboard, and RAM). Both of them would probably need a psu upgrade.

All John has going for it is a better video card. Everything else sucks.

Well,its a PC shop where they build custom PCs and sell them as they are.
Would they work well without a psu upgrade?
And yeah,i know they are not that good,but that is my budget...
What psu upgrade would i need?

 

[James Mason]

Building your own computer is easy. Building it takes 2-3 hours, and installing windows takes about 30mins to 45mins, and after that downloading and installing drivers takes another 30-45 mins. After all that, have it download windows updates at night, it may take a 2-4 passes to get them all.

Building a PC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIF43-0mDk4
Installing Windows:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zAdwedmj1M

Protip for installing drivers safely, install them one at a time and restart the computer after each install to avoid breaking the OS, which can happen if you try to install them all at once.

 

[Tyemer]

For getting drivers I used IOBIT Driver Booster, its "paid" but you can find product keys really easy.

 

[Mediocre]

Building your own computer is easy. Building it takes 2-3 hours, and installing windows takes about 30mins to 45mins, and after that downloading and installing drivers takes another 30-45 mins. After all that, have it download windows updates at night, it may take a 2-4 passes to get them all.

Building a PC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIF43-0mDk4
Installing Windows:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zAdwedmj1M

Protip for installing drivers safely, install them one at a time and restart the computer after each install to avoid breaking the OS, which can happen if you try to install them all at once.

Well,im getting this build for about 500$,and i can't spend more.
If someone told me the exact parts of a better PC for the same price,i would appreciate it.
Maybe i could buy the parts and just build it myself,or pay a small amount to a PC shop.

 

[James Mason]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: *Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: *ASRock H110M-HDS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($51.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($33.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: *Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: *Zotac GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card ($98.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: *DIYPC Solo-T1-BK ATX Mid Tower Case ($27.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: *EVGA 430W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($33.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: *LG GH24NSC0B DVD/CD Writer ($15.88 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: *Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $510.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-13 16:54 EDT-0400

edit: ram was out of stock

But if you could save up more money, you'd be happier with something like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($198.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: *ASRock H110M-DGS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($53.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: *G.Skill NT Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($32.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: *A-Data Premier SP550 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($58.97 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: *MSI GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GT OC Video Card ($249.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: *DIYPC Solo-T1-BK ATX Mid Tower Case ($27.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: *SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: *LG GH24NSC0B DVD/CD Writer ($15.88 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: *Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $831.14
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-13 16:55 EDT-0400

 

[CTurbo]

You can see how much they'd charge to put together or to install windows for you.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($63.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($35.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R7 370 4GB Vapor-X Video Card ($118.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Xion XON-310_BK MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($25.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $443.39
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-13 16:52 EDT-0400

 

[Mediocre]

Okay guys,that was really helpful,i was seconds away from wasting my money on those junk PCs!
Now the real question is,which build is better: CTurbo or James Mason (first one)?

P.S. SuperBiiz,OutletPC,Newegg...Worldwide shipping or is it limited?

Thanks

 

[CTurbo]

My build is better than James Mason's first build, but not as good as his second.

 

[Mediocre]

My build is better than James Mason's first build, but not as good as his second.

Second build is too expensive for my budget.

 

[James Mason]

Cturbos build doesn't have the OS included is all, but that would push it up to the $520-540 range.

 

[Mediocre]

Cturbos build doesn't have the OS included is all, but that would push it up to the $520-540 range.

I forgot to mention,i already have an optical drive and the OS.
(Win 10)

 

[James Mason]

Then we can easily redirect the money that would need to be allocated for those two things elsewhere:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: *Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: *ASRock H110M-HDS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($51.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($33.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card ($179.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Zalman ZM-T1 PLUS MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($27.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $492.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-14 11:32 EDT-0400

I would have liked to include an SSD, but then you'd be sacrificing too much storage space for graphics performance.
Until the 1050 comes out. The RX 460 is worse than a GTX 950, and the 950 is gonna be out of the way soon.