HELP: Monitor for Video Editing & Color Correction

[Daspa87]

Hey there, you should be able to see my Specs in my Signature, so i wont bother you with that.

I am looking for a new Monitor to expand my Editing Build to a more decent level.
The Budget is a joke though, somewhere around 300EUR.
Now i mainly do Video Editing, including Color Correction, and Animationstuff so I should have a Monitor that Covers sRGB close to a 100%.

IPS comes to mind, and so far so good.
Now the Problem is that there are way too many Monitors out there and it boiled down to either...

ASUS PA248 or PA249

- now here the Problem seems to be that the color might be somewhat pretty accurate, but the lightingdistribution and with that contrastratio is a nightmare.

then there are...

EIZO Foris FS2333 or FS2434

- those are build for gaming, but the fs2333 has an excellent review on PRAD and is also recommended for graphicswork since its sRGB covers about 97%.
Question would be how good the Panel of the succesor does that.


NOW.....any People that might have experience with those Models and can Help out???
I would REALLY appreciate it!

 

[VincentP]

I have some suggestions. These are quite different and I'm not sure they are in your price range but they give you an idea of what is available.
These are flicker free, which is important to reduce eye strain.
Here is a list of flicker free monitors:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/flicker_free_database.htm

BenQ GW2765HT
Unfortunately TFTCentral haven't done detailed reviews of this monitor yet, but I have high expectations.
Specified as 100% sRGB, 2560 x 1440, 24 inch monitor.
BenQ site:
http://www.benq.com.au/product/monitor/gw2765ht/specifications/

Dell U2713HM
>99% sRGB, 2560 x 1440, 27 inch monitor
The colour on this out of the box is amazing.
It does suffer from IPS glow which is noticeable in dark images, particularly at the corners.
This glow is going to be present in any IPS/PLS/AHVA monitor.
Full review:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2713hm.htm

BenQ BL3200PT
100% sRGB, 2560 x 1440, 32 inch monitor
This is a AMVA panel with incredible black levels and contrast.
A typical IPS or TN panel has calibrated contrast less than 1000:1.
The dynamic contrast ratios are rubbish, taken with the monitor at 100% brightness and then showing a completely black screen which allows the back-light to be dimmed.
This panel manages 3000:1. This is not through unusable brightness but through darker blacks.
Colour is very good, although there is off centre contrast shift.
Full review:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/benq_bl3200pt.htm

These are all the same resolution in different size monitors.
The 32 inch model has the same pixel density as a 24 inch monitor at 1920x1080.
The others have even better pixel density, leading to a sharper image.

For any other monitors you may be looking at, look for a review on TFTCentral. They take a really detailed look at these monitors, more so than any other site I have seen.

 

[Daspa87]

I have some suggestions. These are quite different and I'm not sure they are in your price range but they give you an idea of what is available.
These are flicker free, which is important to reduce eye strain.
Here is a list of flicker free monitors:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/flicker_free_database.htm

BenQ GW2765HT
Unfortunately TFTCentral haven't done detailed reviews of this monitor yet, but I have high expectations.
Specified as 100% sRGB, 2560 x 1440, 24 inch monitor.
BenQ site:
http://www.benq.com.au/product/monitor/gw2765ht/specifications/

Dell U2713HM
>99% sRGB, 2560 x 1440, 27 inch monitor
The colour on this out of the box is amazing.
It does suffer from IPS glow which is noticeable in dark images, particularly at the corners.
This glow is going to be present in any IPS/PLS/AHVA monitor.
Full review:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2713hm.htm

BenQ BL3200PT
100% sRGB, 2560 x 1440, 32 inch monitor
This is a AMVA panel with incredible black levels and contrast.
A typical IPS or TN panel has calibrated contrast less than 1000:1.
The dynamic contrast ratios are rubbish, taken with the monitor at 100% brightness and then showing a completely black screen which allows the back-light to be dimmed.
This panel manages 3000:1. This is not through unusable brightness but through darker blacks.
Colour is very good, although there is off centre contrast shift.
Full review:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/benq_bl3200pt.htm

These are all the same resolution in different size monitors.
The 32 inch model has the same pixel density as a 24 inch monitor at 1920x1080.
The others have even better pixel density, leading to a sharper image.

For any other monitors you may be looking at, look for a review on TFTCentral. They take a really detailed look at these monitors, more so than any other site I have seen.

First of all, thanks for your Time, appreciate it.
Unfortunately they either dont really match up to my description in Techspecs, or simply blowing the Budget.

If you or anyone else knows something about the Monitors I suggested, or something evenly good/affordable, be my guest. 😉

 

[VincentP]

First of all, thanks for your Time, appreciate it.
Unfortunately they either dont really match up to my description in Techspecs, or simply blowing the Budget.

If you or anyone else knows something about the Monitors I suggested, or something evenly good/affordable, be my guest. 😉

I know these don't really match what you are looking for, but they serve as a good reference point for the different types of monitors.
In your price range, a 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 24 inch monitor is what you are looking for.
The Asus PA series generally have very good colour, this is specifically what they are designed for.
Have a look also at the Asus PA238Q.
Search your models on TFTCentral. They won't all be there but you get very good reviews when they are.

 

[Daspa87]

Well....after some Research it seems to rather be the PB248Q, but that one also seems to have some issues with glowing corners.

Now that one seems to have 99,7% sRGB coverage.

The only alternative right now would be the EIZO Foris FS2333BK.
But there i cant find reliable sources on the sRGB coverage.
Found a german page that tested 97% coverage and a australian one that
tested it with a result of 99%.

Anyone!? 😀

 

[Daspa87]

PUSH

 

[VincentP]

sRGB coverage is just one specification.
You can really just categorise monitors into two categories in this regard:
RGB monitors
sRGB monitors (approximately 72% NTSC)

Unless you have everything setup for RGB, you are looking for a monitor in the second category.
The sRGB number is not going to give an useful measure of colour accuracy.
Instead you need a detailed review covering luminance, contrast, gamma and colour.
Try www.tftcentral.co.uk for monitor reviews.

The glow you mention on the PB248Q will be there on any IPS, PLS or AHVA monitor.
This includes most monitors aimed at professional colour work.
Your alternatives are TN or MVA.
TN panels have poor viewing angles and most don't have great colour.
Here are a couple of MVA panels to have a look at:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/benq_gw2760hs.htm
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/eizo_fg2421.htm

 

[Daspa87]

Thanks, but besides the Fact that this EIZO only covers roughly 88%sRGB I´d like to pick one of the mentioned two Models.

The Gamma is good on both, FS2333 has about 2.15 default, the ASUS about 2.24 ....

The Question by now is if 97% sRGB Coverage would be enough, because the Backlightproblem on the ASUS
seems to be pretty present while the EIZO has a sure 97% sRGB and awesome black/white !??
And yeah, overall nice lightdistribution, so the question rather is if thats worth sacrificing a little deltaE and with that
those possible 3-4% sRGB coverage!???

 

[VincentP]

Thanks, but besides the Fact that this EIZO only covers roughly 88%sRGB I´d like to pick one of the mentioned two Models.

The Gamma is good on both, FS2333 has about 2.15 default, the ASUS about 2.24 ....

The Question by now is if 97% sRGB Coverage would be enough, because the Backlightproblem on the ASUS
seems to be pretty present while the EIZO has a sure 97% sRGB and awesome black/white !??
And yeah, overall nice lightdistribution, so the question rather is if thats worth sacrificing a little deltaE and with that
those possible 3-4% sRGB coverage!???

Where did you get a figure for 88% sRGB on the Eizo Foris FG2421?
Where have you seen this "backlight problem" on the Asus?
What do you mean by "awesome black/white"?

TFT Central hasn't reviewed the Eizo Foris FS2333, but I did find this review from Prad:
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2012/review-eizo-foris-fs2333-bk-part6.html#Luminance

They found a contrast ratio of 768:1 which is nothing special.
They found low minimum black level below 10% brightness, but contrast was lost significantly and it would be unusable like this.
At 50% brightness the black level was 0.16 cd/m2 which is again nothing special.
IPS glow looks typical for an IPS monitor.
The colour variance looks good if I am reading their results correctly.

I can't find any in depth reviews on the Asus PB248Q.

You could also have a look at the Dell U2414H.
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2414h.htm

Jump to the section "Calibration Performance Comparisons" for a good comparison to other monitors that they have tested.

 

[Daspa87]

Thanks, but besides the Fact that this EIZO only covers roughly 88%sRGB I´d like to pick one of the mentioned two Models.

The Gamma is good on both, FS2333 has about 2.15 default, the ASUS about 2.24 ....

The Question by now is if 97% sRGB Coverage would be enough, because the Backlightproblem on the ASUS
seems to be pretty present while the EIZO has a sure 97% sRGB and awesome black/white !??
And yeah, overall nice lightdistribution, so the question rather is if thats worth sacrificing a little deltaE and with that
those possible 3-4% sRGB coverage!???

Where did you get a figure for 88% sRGB on the Eizo Foris FG2421?
Where have you seen this "backlight problem" on the Asus?
What do you mean by "awesome black/white"?

TFT Central hasn't reviewed the Eizo Foris FS2333, but I did find this review from Prad:
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2012/review-eizo-foris-fs2333-bk-part6.html#Luminance

They found a contrast ratio of 768:1 which is nothing special.
They found low minimum black level below 10% brightness, but contrast was lost significantly and it would be unusable like this.
At 50% brightness the black level was 0.16 cd/m2 which is again nothing special.
IPS glow looks typical for an IPS monitor.
The colour variance looks good if I am reading their results correctly.

I can't find any in depth reviews on the Asus PB248Q.

You could also have a look at the Dell U2414H.
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2414h.htm

Jump to the section "Calibration Performance Comparisons" for a good comparison to other monitors that they have tested.

I got those Numbers from PRAD.
A Admin in their Forum has the ASUS and recommended it to me.
So far i even think its pretty good, because overall the deltaE values in colors
are smaller overall und the sRGB coverage seems to be quite awesome out of the Box, plus 6ms is good enough to game.

I am just a little worried with the lightconcentrations in the corners, seemingly the bottom right corner seems to shine like hell and since I also do a bunch of Graphics Work next to Video Editing and Color Correcting/Grading, i need reliable blackvalues over the screen so i wont produce any crap that shows later.
And that seems to be the EIZOs strenght, the even distribution of light that leads to a decently black screen over the whole panel.

Now I have to admit that i am a toooootal, Monitornoob, but i am in Post already and need a new one quick.
So right now the EIZO is about 350EUR on while the ASUS is 309EUR..... and I basically have the one/two worries mentioned above^^

thanks again

 

[VincentP]

I got those Numbers from PRAD.
A Admin in their Forum has the ASUS and recommended it to me.
So far i even think its pretty good, because overall the deltaE values in colors
are smaller overall und the sRGB coverage seems to be quite awesome out of the Box, plus 6ms is good enough to game.

I am just a little worried with the lightconcentrations in the corners, seemingly the bottom right corner seems to shine like hell and since I also do a bunch of Graphics Work next to Video Editing and Color Correcting/Grading, i need reliable blackvalues over the screen so i wont produce any crap that shows later.
And that seems to be the EIZOs strenght, the even distribution of light that leads to a decently black screen over the whole panel.

Now I have to admit that i am a toooootal, Monitornoob, but i am in Post already and need a new one quick.
So right now the EIZO is about 350EUR on while the ASUS is 309EUR..... and I basically have the one/two worries mentioned above^^

thanks again

Do you are a link for the reviews you are referencing?

Any glow in one particular corner is back light bleed.
This is a possible defect in any monitor and is grounds for a return under warranty.
If a particular review had problems with this, it was probably just their sample and you shouldn't worry too much about it.

 

[Daspa87]

Heres the Review for the EIZO (currently back on stock and priced at 299EUR)

http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/test/2012/test-eizo-foris-fs2333-bk.html

(like i said, it has 96,7% sRGB coverage but really low IPS Glow)

Here is the Review for the ASUS

http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/test/2013/test-asus-pb248q.html

(It has 99,7% sRGB coverage/accuracy out of the Box, but seems to struggle with strong IPS glow in the lower corners, especially the right one, but that also seems to vary)

anything?? because I think i will order one, if not both, before going to sleep.
If it sucks i can still return it and get the other one. 😀

 

[VincentP]

I don't speak German. I have seen English reviews from Prad but I wouldn't have found these ones because they aren't in English.
IPS glow is not specific to one corner or another. It affects anywhere on the screen if not viewed perpendicularly.
If these guys have done a detailed review, they know far more about the monitor than I do anyway.
If you are happy with what you have read then buy it.

 

[Daspa87]

I don't speak German. I have seen English reviews from Prad but I wouldn't have found these ones because they aren't in English.
IPS glow is not specific to one corner or another. It affects anywhere on the screen if not viewed perpendicularly.
If these guys have done a detailed review, they know far more about the monitor than I do anyway.
If you are happy with what you have read then buy it.

The Reviews are really detailed, most important are "Ausleuchtung" ("Lighting") and "Farbwiedergabe" ("Colorreproduction or Coloraccuracy").
ASUS has the overall better DeltaE values if not Calibrated (3.1max and about 2.something average, while EIZO has 5.3max and 3.something average).

The Lighting is better on the EIZO in the Test, since the ASUS has a shiny, lower right corner.
But there are also people on Amazon that had those two and the Problem was the other way around so screw it.

I have ordered the ASUS, since it was available and will arrive tomorrow.
I will check it out with a black Screen (looking for dead/white pixels anyway) and in some
reallife Scenarios.
If pleasing, it stays, if not it goes back^^

Thanks for the Help.