Help picking a video card

[drhardeepasi]

Hi, first time builder, building a computer for mainly editing purposes, I use mainly photoshop and lightroom but will be doing some video editing soon (my wedding video) likely with premiere pro. So far I have
MSI X99A gaming 7 mobo
32gb corsair ddr4 2666mhz ram
intel i7 5820k w/ h100i gtx
phanteks entho pro with some extra case fans
rm 750 80+ gold PSU
blu ray burner
500gb samsung evo and 2 tb wd black hdd

all i need now is a video card and im stumped between the gtx 960 4gb version and the 970, currently the msi 4gb 960 is about $315 (w/ backplate) and the msi 970 is about $450 (w/o backplate)

Is the jump to 970 worth it? Thoughts?

 

[NightAntilli]

Video editing = big memory pool = R9 390

 

[drhardeepasi]

Video editing = big memory pool = R9 390

I am a newbie but what about all this stuff with cuda cores vs open CL, isn't cuda supposedly better for adobe or something, whereas open CL is better for sony vegas pro.

 

[Tolik_]

Yes 970 is worth the money. By the way machine that are you are building is a beast. If you want to save a little money you could buy 390 or 380. Trust me you wont see a difference

 

[drhardeepasi]

Yes 970 is worth the money. By the way machine that are you are building is a beast. If you want to save a little money you could buy 390 or 380. Trust me you wont see a difference

Yeah as of right now (in Canada), the r9 380 4gb and 960 4gb are both about 320 and r9 390 8gb and 970 4gb are about 450, the AMD cards are both about 10 bucks more expensive, no biggie.

As for the machine being a beast, I had a much smaller budget initially but you know how these things go .... lol

 

[Tolik_]

Yes 970 is worth the money. By the way machine that are you are building is a beast. If you want to save a little money you could buy 390 or 380. Trust me you wont see a difference

Yeah as of right now (in Canada), the r9 380 4gb and 960 4gb are both about 320 and r9 390 8gb and 970 4gb are about 450, the AMD cards are both about 10 bucks more expensive, no biggie.

As for the machine being a beast, I had a much smaller budget initially but you know how these things go .... lol

Yeah I know how it goes))) Well if you go with either card they all will be good for your build. One thing nice about 970 it doesnt need much of power, but amd make and amzaing cards too. So whatever you choose cudos to you my friend)))

 

[drhardeepasi]

So there isn't much added benefit of having cuda cores vs the openCL of the 380/390 when running photoshop premiere pro? Either would work just as well?

 

[NightAntilli]

Theoretically, nVidia supports both CUDA and OpenCL, but in reality OpenCL's performance of nVidia is quite lackluster compared to AMD. The difference between OpenCL and CUDA differ per type of effects, so it's hard to say which one is better. But in reality, the performance is pretty close. Look here:
http://www.dslrfilmnoob.com/2014/04/26/opencl-vs-cuda-adobe-premiere-cc-rendering-test/

 

[drhardeepasi]

Theoretically, nVidia supports both CUDA and OpenCL, but in reality OpenCL's performance of nVidia is quite lackluster compared to AMD. The difference between OpenCL and CUDA differ per type of effects, so it's hard to say which one is better. But in reality, the performance is pretty close. Look here:
http://www.dslrfilmnoob.com/2014/04/26/opencl-vs-cuda-adobe-premiere-cc-rendering-test/

So if i'm picking between the R9 390 at $460 or the 370 at $425 - performance in adobe will be same, does it make sens to go with the cheaper one? Or is it worth spending more now for potential future proof with the 8gb R9 390? Is there any over heating/heating issues with the 390? Or would the 4gb 380 suffice at $305? I don't care about power usage but overall temps yes. I have a 1440p monitor btw.

What do you think? Sorry I'm so confused. I feel like I find equal amounts of articles - some saying currently nvidia better for adobe, equal amount saying no diff.

 

[NightAntilli]

nVidia definitely used to be better, but Adobe teamed up with AMD since CS6, and they've been focusing on OpenCL ever since. It's confusing to me too so don't worry.

If you want to go with the 4GB that's fine too. The GTX 970 practically 'only' has 3.5 GB btw, just FYI.

 

[drhardeepasi]

nVidia definitely used to be better, but Adobe teamed up with AMD since CS6, and they've been focusing on OpenCL ever since. It's confusing to me too so don't worry.

If you want to go with the 4GB that's fine too. The GTX 970 practically 'only' has 3.5 GB btw, just FYI.

I think I will go with the 390. One last question I had though. I hear its a 2.5 slot card. I have an msi x99a gaming 7 and a 28 lane cpu. The manual recommends the GPU in first slot at 16x then it says anything in second pcie slot will be 8x, then it shows for the 3rd and 4th slots 0x and 0x, does it matter if i put the GPU in the first slot and a WIFI/bluetooth pcie card in the third slot, will it still run at 8x and automatically detect it in the third slot if I skip the second?

Can I even put the GPU in second PCIe slot and the wifi card in the 4th, will it automatically run them at 16x and 8x? This is my first build and I'm still learning. THANK YOU!

 

[NightAntilli]

Yeah the lanes are generally divided between the slots so it doesn't really matter in which one you use it. If you skip one of the slots, it keeps the lanes available for other slots.