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Okay, the ASUS is out of the question 2ms Grey to Grey is a NO NO for games/action movies.... not to mention their customer service is horrid.


So it's between the Samsung/Hanns.

The Hanns does sport a 3ms response time using some technology, which is GREAT for gaming and some movies. But it's contrast is 800:1, and the resolution is 1920x1200 while the Samsung comes with 1000:1 contrast and the same resolution. Hanns with only VGA/HDMI, while the Samsung comes with HDMI, VGA, and DVI (neither come with the HDMI cables, however the Hanns comes with a "advertised" HDMI to DVI-D which I think is suppose to be a DVI to HDMI to compensate that their Monitor doesnt have a DVI connection)...

Now the Hanns produces higher brightness than the Samsung, and ouputs the same amount of colors (16.7 million) as the Samsung. Hanns uses Active Matrix/TFT, while the Samsung using TN/TFT.... The Samsung does have a more appealing glossy finish (not a glossy screen! but glossy paint job) but the Hanns offers 2" more and nearly $50 cheaper.

I would definitely go for the Hanns-G. It is 28", 3ms response, Active Matrix/TFT, brighter, HDMI to DVI-D cable since most GPUs use DVI. It is cheaper, bigger and the better buy for just games/movies.
 
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It is dynamic contrast ration, while yes it does work... you need a very very high dynamic contrast ration to match a static contrast ration.

For example my monitor has 40,000:1 ACM (dynamic contrast ratio) I can see the difference between the Dynamic and standard, 1000:1 contrast ratio. However on my sister's Monitor it is only 10,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio and the difference is not noticeable.
 
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Mulder19,

asantheist is providing you with wrong information.

1. All monitors now use GTG to measure response time. BTW (black to white) as a measurement ceased to exist around 2003.

2. All those monitors uses TN panels. TFT in laymen's terms is another "word" for LCD panel.

3. All LCD panel tech (TN, VA, IPS) are all "active matrix" LCD panels. "Passive matrix" LCD panels died out a very long time ago; pre-2001.

4. TN panels generally produces 16.2m - 16.7m thru a technology called "dithering". They can only truly produce 256k color on their own. Panels based on VA and IPS technology can truly produce 16.7m colors.

5. One paper, Samsung's contrast specs does "look" better than Hanns, but you cannot always rely on specs. If possible you should try to look at them in a store if possible. However, if you can't find them in a store, then unfortunately you can only make judgement calls based on specs alone.

6. "Cheaper" is great 'cause it generally means less expensive, but you also need to remember that it can also mean cheaper quality. Of the three manufactures, in terms of overall brand quality I would rate them as follows:

#1 - Samsung - Everyone heard of them, they have good products, but they also have bad products. Typical of any company.

#2 - Asus - Better known now than before outside of motherboards and video cards. They are actually the OEM (original equipment manufacturer) of many products for other brandnames; meaning Asus builds a product like a laptop for Brand X. Brand X slaps thier logo on the laptop an sells it as thier own.

#3 - Haans is Brand X from the above example. They do not manufacture their own products. The contract out to others to build products (Asus for example) then slaps thier brandname on it and sells it.


See following link for a better source of info about LCD monitors:

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/specs.htm
 
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1. GtG is a marketing gimic to stamp faster response times compared to black to white. I don't use GtG for response times, I go for black to white.

2. TN is used for more LCD monitors, however you never know if one decides to use TN/TFT LCD, so I decided to only list it if it said it in the specs.

3. Yup.

4. ??

5. I have seen the Hannsg 28" at Fry's and I have seen several of Samsung's LCD's the contrast is won by Samsung. You can usually tell by checking the static contrast, and sometimes the Dynamic if it's high enough. If your getting different contrasts, you can probably get a replacement (usually causes washed out colors)....

6. Cheaper is often found better. You could only bring out the whole "higher" quality for "higher" price if we lived in a world were companies were ran under some sort of philanthropist system. The only way to see what is of higher or lower quality is to try the products. Hence why there are a lot of websites running product reviews, like the one we're on now.
#1 No one makes their own products anymore, most people have others manufacturer them while they only assemble the PC (or products)/stamp their logo. This goes for most products, because manufacturing every single part of a product (EVERYTHING) would require monstrous amounts of investments.
#2 You may ask, if no one makes their own stuff then why are the brands difference in quality? Well that is simple, there are more than 1 provider for parts. If say for example HP wants to create a high quality computer (high quality being materials used), than they go to a different provider than say gateway. So in a way, even if a company does not manufacture or assemble their products they are STILL in control of the quality of the product.
 
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Correction: I meant to state that the old standard to measure response time was BTB or Black to Black. It is the time it takes for a pixel to go from completely off (black) to completely on (white), then completely black again.

1. No one uses BTB anymore. Just because a monitor states "5ms" does not automatically mean it uses the BTB response time measure. As stated in the other thread to which I replied to your comment, go to www.hardforum.com in the "Display" section to independent verify this from others who are at least as knowledgeable as myself, post a question regarding who uses BTB as a measure. The answer will be next to no one.

2. Trust me when I say TN = TN/TFT. Perhaps I am wrong, do a Google search or again post the question over at www.hardforum.com in the "Display" section. I believe I am pretty knowledgeable about LCD monitors since I have been keeping up with the technology since 2001. However, there are those over at www.hardforum.com who's knowledge far exceeds my own.

3. Yeah!!! We agree on something.

4. This is something you need to understand if you are going to make recommendations or give opinions regarding monitors. At the very least it will be knowledge for yourself so that you can make more informed decisions for yourself.

Click the following link, then click the "Color Depth" section (TFTCentral is a very good resource to obtain basic LCD (TFT) technical knowledge):
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/specs.htm


5. What "looks good" is a matter of perception, meaning it depends on the person who is viewing it which is why I recommended to the post to try to view it the monitors in person if there are a lack of technical reviews on the web. I've seen a lot of TN panel monitors like Samsung, Asus, Acer, Dell, NEC and they all look like pure crap to me.

6. "Cheaper" works on a case by case basis. Not all cheap monitors are of equal quality or good in general. On the flip side, not all expensive monitors are good, some of them are also crap. Again this would be on a case by case basis. The only way to know what is actually good or not are technical reviews. User reviews are nice to get an overall sense if a particular monitor generally good for the average consumer or gamer.

The following link is a good site for some professionally reviewed monitors:
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/reviews.html

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OEMs produces generic products for a who range of brandnames, but they also make specific products for specific brandnames based on the price point (cost) they want to achieve. For example, there are only a few OEMs out there that create video cards for ATI, one such OEM is the parent company of Sapphire (for the life of me I can remember anymore the name of the company). That particular OEM probably makes ATI cards for VisionTek, and XFX for example. In fact, those brand names might buy batches of ATI cards from all of the OEMs based on availability.

Then there comes specific designs at a later point in time. XFX may decide they want to build ATI cards around handpicked GPUs that can overclock better than average. Cherry picking for better GPUs cost money so XFX line of OC'ed ATI cards (in this example) will generally perform better and cost more than average ATI video cards. They can also decide to use higher quality parts for the OC'ed line of video cards.
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asanatheist,

You seem to be trying to offer good advice on monitors, however you need to bulk up your knowledge a bit more. It's okay, everyone has to start from the bottom. My knowledge is based on years of research and I still have a long way to go in order to even touch ToastyX's level of LCD monitor knowledge with a 10 foot pole. He is a very respected member of www.hardforum.com.

TFTCentral is a very good resource to begin with. The information they have is concise, and generally clear enough for the average reader. From there on, Google is your friend...

http://tftcentral.co.uk/





 
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I have a Samsung SyncMaster T220 and it works great for games! If you're going to purchase a monitor, I would go to several stores and look at the monitors that they have on display. You can't always depend on the reviews you see on the internet. A good store to go to would be Fry's Electronics & Costco. When you actually look at the monitors on display, you'll have a easier time deciding. Go ahead and adjust the brightness, color and contrast. This way you will get a better feel as to which monitor is better. I would never just buy a LCD monitor without viewing it in person. When I purchased my monitor, I looked at several brands such as LG, View Sonic and some off brand names. I adjusted the brightness, color, pretty much everything on as many monitors I could before I decided what LCD monitor was right for me. But I have to say this, there were slight differences not major in picture quality. I think it depends on the particular model that you choose. I purchased my monitor from Fry's Electronics.
 
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