Question Help to decide between RTX 3060 ti vs Rx 6700 xt for my current pc?

[ForgottenExplorer]

These are my pc specs atm, pc built in 2018:

AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processorbe quiet! Pure Rock 51.7 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler

Gigabyte B450 AORUS PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard

Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory

Seagate BarraCuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive

Kingston A400 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive

Seagate IronWolf NAS 4 TB 3.5" 5400 RPM Internal Hard Drive

MSI VENTUS XS OC GeForce GTX 1660 Ti 6 GB Video Card

Zalman Z1 ATX Mid Tower Case

Corsair VS550 (2018) 550 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply

I have 4 options to choose from:

AMD:

Gigabyte AORUS Elite RX 6700 XT 12gb

Gigabyte Gaming OC RX 6700 XT 12gb

vs.

Nvidia

Msi rtx 3060 ti 8gb Ventus 2x oc

Zotac gaming geforce rtx 3060 ti win edge lhr 8gb

All 4 gpus are almost identical price around 350-370 euros, 10 15 euros here and there, and i dont care about that.

I aim to 1080p 60fps Ultra max specs gaming with Ray tracing, or on some games like fps/sports/old titles 4k 60fps at high or ultra if possible. I have 4k tv/smart monitor of 60hz refresh rate, so higher fps dont matter for me. (and yes if pc will handle ill game on 1440p ultra 60fps.)

I also have doubts will rx 6700 xt will fit my case, since both 6700 xt are triple fan versions and very long, while both 3060 cards are two fans and very similar to my current 1660ti gpu size.

Also what gpu would have less bottleneck with my r5 3600 cpu? i read that amd has a lot of driver issues and nvidia kinda has dlss and ray tracing superiority atm, but rx 6700 xt seems to outscore in fps departement and draw less power checked tons of benchmarks 3060 ti draws 200w on average in many games, while 6700 xt is around 160-170 w. I plug external hdd often and xbox controller too (if that matters for psu). Is my psu of 550w 80+ enough for those gpus?

 

[KyaraM]

If you want Raytracing, Nvidia it is. I'm not sure you can achieve 60FPS Ultra RT in every game on any of those cards, though. A 3070Ti doesn't quite get there in HL in certain situations, for example, and that card is noticeably stronger than the 3060Ti. You will likely have to reduce some settings to get there.

550W might strain it. Better would be 650W.

 

[ForgottenExplorer]

If you want Raytracing, Nvidia it is. I'm not sure you can achieve 60FPS Ultra RT in every game on any of those cards, though. A 3070Ti doesn't quite get there in HL in certain situations, for example, and that card is noticeably stronger than the 3060Ti. You will likely have to reduce some settings to get there.

550W might strain it. Better would be 650W.

Yeah im getting similar replies around forums. I probably will stick with highs setings and rt high not ultra. Now i lowered down to rx 6650 xt gpu, it says 500w psu minimum, that would match my 550w psu. But now i discovered that my mobo dont have pcie 4.0 x 16 connection, only 3.0, and those newer cards all are 4.0, will i able to connect newer gpu? And what will be impact on gaming with older bus connection?

 

[mamasan2000]

1440p Ultra can be a problem on 8 gig VRAM cards. For instance, I have an Nvidia 2080, 8 gig VRAM. I only game at 1440p. I can't run Sniper Elite 5 at Ultra settings, I run out of VRAM. 4k? Forget it on 8 gigs. Even on the 4070Ti 4k wont always run. I don't consider 10-20 fps playable.

View: https://youtu.be/lSy9Qy7sw0U?t=706

That's today. Consider what it will be like in 3 years.

I tried Raytracing once in Cyberpunk2077. Did not see the difference, other than fps was half. In screenshots sure but in moving games, I can't spot it, too busy playing the game and shooting to stare at the ground and buildings.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

The other thing to consider, you are looking at mid tier cards that are on their way out. Ray tracing is a nice to have but I wouldn’t consider ray tracing a huge feature on this class of cards. In a year or two you might be struggling just to get some newer games to run at good fps much less using ray tracing.

In that case I’d try to go for the 6700xt as it performs between the 3060ti and 3070. Sometimes losing to the 3060ti but sometimes beating it and running with the 3070. As the guy above points out you will be vram limited. So the 12gb of vram on the 6700xt may give it enough muscle to help it in the future.

 

[ForgottenExplorer]

The other thing to consider, you are looking at mid tier cards that are on their way out. Ray tracing is a nice to have but I wouldn’t consider ray tracing a huge feature on this class of cards. In a year or two you might be struggling just to get some newer games to run at good fps much less using ray tracing.

In that case I’d try to go for the 6700xt as it performs between the 3060ti and 3070. Sometimes losing to the 3060ti but sometimes beating it and running with the 3070. As the guy above points out you will be vram limited. So the 12gb of vram on the 6700xt may give it enough muscle to help it in the future.

i see, good points. what about intel arc a770 16gb vs rx 6700xt 12gb? i checked benchmarks it really performs well on new games, old ones also got boost update and old games to be honest runs above 60fps on any resolutions, and since my monitor is 60hz i dont see point going above 60.

 

[ForgottenExplorer]

1440p Ultra can be a problem on 8 gig VRAM cards. For instance, I have an Nvidia 2080, 8 gig VRAM. I only game at 1440p. I can't run Sniper Elite 5 at Ultra settings, I run out of VRAM. 4k? Forget it on 8 gigs. Even on the 4070Ti 4k wont always run. I don't consider 10-20 fps playable.

View: https://youtu.be/lSy9Qy7sw0U?t=706

That's today. Consider what it will be like in 3 years.

I tried Raytracing once in Cyberpunk2077. Did not see the difference, other than fps was half. In screenshots sure but in moving games, I can't spot it, too busy playing the game and shooting to stare at the ground and buildings.

yeah i get your points, but rtx 3060 ti can run many games on 4k 60 fps, no need to use ultra settings, high and ultra usually looks same, or even medium mix of high, here is good benchmark example how can 3060 ti can run games on that

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNUhp-cu1nc&t=973s


only issue is 8gb ram, really concerning, i cant believe they didnt increase ram size, while inter arc a770 has 16gb, amd has 10 12 gb in thier mid rangers... nvidia stuck with 8...

 

[ohio_buckeye]

As well you can say you are at 1080 60hz, but what if you want to upgrade the monitor then you are at the same spot.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Their performance is about neck and neck (the RX 6700 XT is only about 2% faster on average) but that 50% increase in VRAM will be significant in the long-term. This is of course assuming that you're like me and use your card for gaming and little else.

If you're at all concerned about a triple-fan card not fitting in your case, remember that not all RX 6700 XT cards have three fans. In fact, even the original reference RX 6700 XT only has two fans and is only 267mm long:

There are lots of RX 6700 XT models from AIB partners with only two fans. Now, having 3 fans instead of 2 usually means that a card is longer but that's not always the case as you'll soon see:

Two-Fan Models (Shortest to Longest):

Powercolor Fighter (228mm):

MSi Mech 2X (247mm):

Sapphire Pulse (260mm):

ASRock Challenger D (269mm):

MSi Gaming / Gaming X (279mm):

ASUS Dual OC (295mm):

Now, I don't know what country that you're in or where you're looking so I can't help you find any better than this. However, I can tell you that from the two cards that you've listed, the Gigabyte RX 6700 XT Gaming OC is the one that you should choose. It'll be cheaper and have about the same performance as the AORUS. It won't be as pretty as the AORUS but who in their right mind cares about a card's looks (well, as long as it's not ugly that is....)? The other advantage is that, at only 281mm, it's about 1.5cm shorter than the AORUS Elite and about the same length as the MSi Gaming / Gaming X which is also a good deal shorter than the ASUS Dual.

The only other piece of advice that I'd give you is to always run DDU before installing or updating video card drivers. It doesn't matter if they're Radeon, GeForce or Arc. Running DDU will eliminate any residual driver software which is estimated to be the most common source of driver issues for ALL cards.

 

[ForgottenExplorer]

As well you can say you are at 1080 60hz, but what if you want to upgrade the monitor then you are at the same spot.

I will not, if i upgrade it , ill build decent pc that hits 4k 60fps