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Klaus Kassner <Klaus.Kassner@physik.uni-magdeburg.de> writes:
[cursed BoH]
> >>Or, #dip'ing or a wand of Cancellation comes to mind.
> > Both are good advice. Especially since he's able to lift the bag,
> > which
> > would probably make #dipping possible.
>
> Not if he is overtaxed, I think. In that case, I believe that zapping
> a wand of cancellation at it is the only way of getting it uncursed
> (unless, of course, by dropping a lot of other stuff he can get to
> strained while holding both the bag and a potion of holy water).
If by chance this bag is on an altar, praying could help
as well. Could a nymph steal the bag, and could I chase her
with, say, E-words, towards an altar, picking up the bag each
time she dropped it? Hmm...
New Game: Relly Clever Solutions -- Breaking butterflies
on the wheel in nethack
Idea: Choose a simple problem with well--known solutions, and
provide an alternate solution with an absurd amount of effort
and some obviously braindead tactics involved.
Example:
Problem: Get a BoH uncursed when it's too heavy to dip
into holy water, but still liftable for you ('overtaxed'),
and there's an altar on the same level.
Boring Standard Solution: /oCancellation.
Assumption: Nymphs can steal such a heavy BoH. (I don't
have wizmode at hand to check, sorry, but glancing quickly
at the source comments of steal.c I didn't find a reason
why not. But CMIIW.)
Solution:
- Step 1: Genocide all dwarves and Umber hulks, then
magic-map the level.
- Step 2: Fill the level with boulders, except for four
squares (bag square, one adjacent, altar, one
adjacent).
- Step 3: Wish for a cursed figurine of a nymph.
- Step 4: Stand on the square with the bag, drop all
possesions, pick up figurine, apply figurine
to the square next to you, pick up bag. Now
the nymph should steal the bag and teleport
away.
- Step 5: Use controlled teleport and try to port on the
square adjacent to the altar, until it succeeds.
(You can also check with telepathy where the
nymph is.) The nymph should stand on the altar
by now.
- Step 6: Kill the nymph, and start a sacc-praying combo
(picking the BoH up before each prayer) until
you get your possesions uncursed.
Come to think of it, one can extend this solution to a
possibly-working one if there's no altar on the level:
First, explore the dungeon below until you find some altar
reachable by stairs or portals (that's the possibly-working
part of it). Then fill all intermediate levels with boulders,
leaving only up/downstairs and one adjacent square free (nymphs
do flee downstairs, don't they?). Chase the nymph downstairs
similarly to the above chase-to-altar method.
Surely you have much better Really Clever Solutions (I didn't
even use Rodney or the riders) to some other problems in nethack.
Share them with us.
Best,
Jakob
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