Help with gaming pc

[loneremix]

Okay so I'm looking to get a gaming pc for my first time and I'm stuck between whether I get one pre-built with the parts I want or buy the same parts separately and make it myself. The website I'm using is ironside. They have all the parts that I want and they come with a warranty and they build it. But my question is it even worth paying the little extra it. And my final question is this a good pc setup for like playing Rust, csgo and other games along the line
Part list

Case
NZXT S340 Elite Black [Tempered Glass]

Processor
Intel Core I7-7700K 4.2GHz (Quad Core)

CPU Cooling
Phanteks Black

Thermal Compound
Standard Thermal Compound

Motherboard
ASUS ROG MAXIMUS IX HERO [SLI] [Crossfire] [RGB]

Memory
G.Skill Trident Z 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3000Mhz [RGB]

M.2 Storage
SAMSUNG 960 EVO M.2 NVMe 250GB

Primary Hard Drive
Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD

Secondary Hard Drive
1TB

Graphics Card
EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 SC GAMING ACX 3.0 8GB

Power Supply
EVGA 850 Watt 80 Plus Bronze

Thank you for your time it's much appreciated.

 

[Frag Maniac]

That spec will play those games fine, and many others that are more demanding.

My advice is...

1. Definitely build it yourself. You will get better part selection, and 3-5 yr warranty on all the main parts that typically have them for components like CPU, MB, RAM (lifetime), SSD/HDD, PSU, GPU. Some cases also have a two year warranty. The only thing you have to make sure you do is buy a retail box vs OEM CPU, the latter of which has no 3 yr warranty. HDDs are typically OEM and come in a bag, but the better ones have 3-5 yr warranty. So when you say HDD 1TB, that looks like a prebuilt, and a lot of HDDs now have only a 1yr warranty.

What build houses don't tell you is they often use OEM CPUs, and low grade HDDs. They may honor the warranty period THEY claim, but quite honestly, it's a real hassle to have a HDD go down and lose all the data on it. The smarter thing to do is pick your parts carefully and get more reassurance the parts will hold up in the first place, without having to hassle with warranties. That doesn't mean you shouldn't look for good warranties, just make sure they're ones the manufacturer is putting on the part, NOT the build house. A lot of build houses will lie about such details.

Building your own is no harder than operating and maintaining a PC. Just watch some assembly and OS/Driver install videos.

Assembly
[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIF43-0mDk4"][/video]

OS/Drivers
[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zAdwedmj1M"][/video]
2. You don't need an 850w PSU for a single 1080. A decent quality 550w with 30amps will do fine. https://forum-en.msi.com/faq/article/power-requirements-for-graphics-cards-20

3. I would consider going with a 8700k CPU instead, and Z370 MB. It's too soon to buy the 8700k yet, because stock problems has them going for well over their $359 MSRP, but soon they will be in good stock at better prices. There's already some decent brands of Z370 MBs (MSI, ASRock) going for as low as $110 though, and they have more chipset Pci-Ex lanes to support things like that high end NVMe drive on your build list.

If you're concerned about the 8700k's 3.7 base clock speed vs 4.2 of the 7700k, don't be. The 8700k's 4 core turbo speed is the same as the 7700k. Meaning when the gaming load deamands it, the 8700k will step up to what a 7700k can do, and game benches have already proven it.

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/core_i7/i7-7700k

 

[loneremix]

I know getting the 8700 will be better in the longer run, but I'd rather wait till it's actually useful and use a i7-7700K for my first build. I plan on just playing on 1080p most of the time and sometimes 1440p. I'm not going to overclock or anything complicated just looking to play games. Would the i7-7700K work

 

[Frag Maniac]

The thing is there's already an increasing number of games that take advantage of CPUs with more than 4 cores, so the 8700k isn't just better for multitasking, video editing, etc, going forward it will keep getting better for gaming. You have to realize the multi platform titles made first for consoles are made for the 8 or so cores consoles have.

Plus like I said the Z370 MBs support NVMe drives better too. I think you're being too impatient on something that you will likely use for at least 3 or more years. The real kicker is like I said, it won't be long before the 8700k price and availability gets good too, so the only real reason to go 7700k and DDR3 is if you're impatient, and I mean really impatient considering we haven't even seen holiday pricing yet.

That's my honest opinion, take it for what you will, but you DID ask for "help", which kinda implies you're not sure if what you've narrowed your choice down to is the right one. These aren't the kind of decisions you want to rush through.

 

[loneremix]

Alright if I go with the 8700k what will be a good motherboard. I want something on the good end. Something as good as the Asus ix code and around that 250 300 price

 

[Frag Maniac]

With those criteria, I'd say probably this one.

https://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-MAXHEWA&c=CJ

My honest opinion on MBs though is don't waste your money on features you don't need. This one supports quad Crossfire and SLI, and most people don't even go dual GPU anymore let alone quad, because multi GPU is just not supported in enough games anymore. Multi GPU is quickly dying.

So if you look at it's other features and decide you really need them, go for it. For most though on single GPUs, a $150 MB suffices.

 

[loneremix]

With those criteria, I'd say probably this one.

https://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-MAXHEWA&c=CJ

Or would you recommend I wait a little bit longer until they release some more Motherboards out since it's all pretty much new

 

[Frag Maniac]

Or would you recommend I wait a little bit longer until they release some more Motherboards out since it's all pretty much new

Yes, NOW you're thinking. My rule of thumb on new MB platforms is to wait 3 months after the CPUs they're made for are in good stock. It can often take that long to see what little things need to be fixed with BIOS updates and such.

 

[loneremix]

When estimated are the new cpu going to be in good stock? Sorry for asking I'm only a week new into this.

 

[Frag Maniac]

When estimated are the new cpu going to be in good stock? Sorry for asking I'm only a week new into this.

Hard to say, but my guess is if not by the holidays, soon thereafter. Most chip designers don't release a product then just let them stagnate with no sales, so it'll probably be soon.

It's very possible though that Intel might be in the process of working together with Z370 MB manufacturers to make sure they get any problems worked out. Those kind of things can make some consumers wrongfully blame it on the CPU. Even for users in the know that know better though, it can sometimes keep them from getting the most out of their CPUs.

The ASUS Prime Z370-A for instance has a bit of a Vdroop problem regarding voltages when OCing. It's one of the MBs I'm hoping they'll get working better. There's an AsRock Z370 going for just $130 though that has 16 reviews so far averaging 5 out of 5 on Newegg.

That Maximus Hero might be a bit overkill for you. It has a lot of OCing, fan profile, RGB lighting, and built in WiFi features, but I'm not sure that's worth $100 more if you don't need them. The AsRock Killer board I spoke of doesn't have the top of the line Realtek audio chip like the Maximus though. You can get that chip on boards in the $150 to $175 range though. The ASUS Prime I spoke of, a $175 MB, has it, and so does the $150 AsRock Z370 Extreme4, which has 6 reviews averaging 5/5 so far.

 

[Frag Maniac]

Just a heads up, talk on forums I've read says ASUS fixed the LLC problem I was referring to on their Prime Z370-A MB with a BIOS update, so that's good news.

 

[loneremix]

That's good news from what I seen there going to be dropping some of there other series like the formula and others sometime soon so that's good news. So imma just wait until they release more and are out of the beginning issues unless the i7-7700K and z270 go on sale for a very good price