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I'm building a PC and need some help with getting a liquid cooling setup for both my GPU and CPU for under $200. If someone could help me with that it would be great. I'm cooling the i5 4690k and a MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card. All help will be appreciated, thank you!
 


Yup...

http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/cooling/liquid/42047-swiftech-h240-x-open-loop-280mm-cpu-cooler-review?showall=&start=3

....The X Series is built from top quality components found in custom loops with the performance and expandability to match, yet their pre-assembly offers the convenience typically associated with CLCs. In short, Swiftech is delivering the best of both worlds at an incredibly reasonable price with the X Series, and the H240-X is the biggest and most powerful unit in the line.

One of the things one may wonder is why the H240-X exists at all, given that the H220-X was already performance leaps and bounds ahead of any other cooler that isn’t a custom loop. There is the hard core OC segment that can definitely benefit from the ability to squeeze a little more from their CPUs, but the more mainstream reason here would look to be expandability. With 36% more surface area than the 240mm H220-X, the H240-X has dissipation characteristics closer to a 360mm than a 240mm. This will make for a far more comfortable proposition of adding a GPU to the loop without adding an additional radiator. Whether you are looking for the lowest possible CPU temps or greater expandability, the H240-X has you covered.

The individual components of the H240-X look far more like a shopping list for a high quality small~mid-size loop than something one would pull already assembled out of a box. It begins with Swiftech’s flagship Apogee XL CPU block, which is among the finest available on the market, and took top performance honors in our mainstream block comparisons. The radiator is built from Swiftech’s tried and true 240QP, featuring copper/brass construction and low restriction 12 fpi optimized for low noise cooling. The MCP-30 pump is capable of more than 1 gpm flow rates with enough head pressure to easily accommodate additional radiators and blocks. A small reservoir with bleed port is permanently mounted to the radiator and all is tied together with black 3/8” x 5/8” tubing. All fittings are G1/4” excepting the pump outlet (a G1/4” adapter is available from Swiftech for $4.95) to allow for changes to the fittings of your choice. Unlike a CLC, the H240-X is nothing short of a pre-assembled collection of top quality discrete liquid cooling components, and it shows in the build quality and performance.

And the performance….I expected the comparison graphs to look a bit absurd in this review, but even I was a bit surprised at just how far in front of the comparison units the H240-X stood. This wasn’t a collection of “also-rans” we compared the H240-X to, these are top performing CLC and air coolers available on the market today and the H240-X flat out embarrassed them in every aspect. The overall max performance was a full five degrees cooler than the nearest comparison unit not manufactured by Swiftech, and that unit used a 360mm radiator and came in nearly 10 dB louder. When we ran our low noise tests the increased passive capabilities of the larger copper/brass radiator really took hold, and the H240-X put up noise/performance levels unlike anything we have ever tested out of a box. As I said earlier, the H240-X is a top quality small loop that happens to be pre-assembled, and that is exactly what it performs and sounds like.

I had stated in my review that the H220-X makes CLCs a non-factor, and the H240-X follows that pattern, but putting even more possibilities on the table. For the novice or CPU only user, the H240-X is simply the best performing cooler you can buy that is ready for install out of the box, and it accomplishes this with incredible quiet. For those looking to expand, the 240mm radiator will handle most GPU additions, while the pump is ready to take on more additions as you see fit. For years, consumers have been excited about the possibility of jumping into liquid cooling. Many held off for fear of complicated setups or expenses, or found themselves with loud CLCs offering mediocre performance. With the X Series, Swiftech has gift wrapped a custom loop, assembled it and delivered it at an astonishingly low price point. In other words, with the H220-X and H240-X, Swiftech is delivering the real liquid cooling performance that those making the jump have craved but haven't gotten, while giving you all of the convenience of a CLC. Whether you are making your initial foray into liquid cooling, are looking for an upgrade from CLC or are an experienced user doing a small loop, the Swiftech X Series should be planted firmly at the top of your “must have” list, and the H240-X is the biggest, baddest member of the series. The H220-X and H240-X are game changers, plain and simple, and are the biggest advance in cooling that we have seen in years.

In terms of the 970 water block, I found a water block merely covering the chipset for $60. Along with that, I'll raise the limit to $200. Get me that and I will be ever so thankful.
If you look at the detailed reviews, the stock air cooler keeps the GPU at about 63C .... the VRAM and VRM however are running well up into the 80s. So the GPU water block basically ads water cooling to the GPU and makes it run cooler when it doesn't really need it.... but now with the lack of fans, the VRM and VRM will rn hotter, making the high temps worse.

Here's what I'd do.....

1. Buy a case that can do air and water cooling well.... the Phanteks Enthoo Luxe is the epitome of this concept.

2. Put a Swiftech 240x in it for $150.

3. Grab a full cover water block / backplate and 280mm radiator (Alphacool UT66-280 $ $55) when you're ready.... a few fittings, tubing and coolant swap and you're done.

 
FrozenCPU is not "functional" at this time. But $150 ain't gonna happen.
http://www.frozencpu.com/

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$150 Water Block, Radiator and Pump
http://www.swiftech.com/H240-X.aspx

(6) MSI 970's are supported. The most popular is the MSI 970 Gaming 4G.

The EK part number for the water block is EK-FC970 GTX TF5 - Acetal+Nickel [3831109830253]
The EK part number for the water block is EK-FC970 GTX TF5 Backplate - Black [3831109830260]

With FCPU down and out for the time being, finding them has been difficult. PPCs for example has the nickel water block bt not the nickel backplate. The above parts nos. of the acetal / black matching set. Expect to pay about $155 for the block and backplate.

You could start out with just the H240-X and then add the GPU cooling and another rad later,
 

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In terms of the 970 water block, I found a water block merely covering the chipset for $60. Along with that, I'll raise the limit to $200. Get me that and I will be ever so thankful.
 

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If I were to get that would I be able to simply hook up the GPU block and are the pump/radiator powerful enough to keep a loop with a GPU and CPU running well?
 


Yup...

http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/cooling/liquid/42047-swiftech-h240-x-open-loop-280mm-cpu-cooler-review?showall=&start=3

....The X Series is built from top quality components found in custom loops with the performance and expandability to match, yet their pre-assembly offers the convenience typically associated with CLCs. In short, Swiftech is delivering the best of both worlds at an incredibly reasonable price with the X Series, and the H240-X is the biggest and most powerful unit in the line.

One of the things one may wonder is why the H240-X exists at all, given that the H220-X was already performance leaps and bounds ahead of any other cooler that isn’t a custom loop. There is the hard core OC segment that can definitely benefit from the ability to squeeze a little more from their CPUs, but the more mainstream reason here would look to be expandability. With 36% more surface area than the 240mm H220-X, the H240-X has dissipation characteristics closer to a 360mm than a 240mm. This will make for a far more comfortable proposition of adding a GPU to the loop without adding an additional radiator. Whether you are looking for the lowest possible CPU temps or greater expandability, the H240-X has you covered.

The individual components of the H240-X look far more like a shopping list for a high quality small~mid-size loop than something one would pull already assembled out of a box. It begins with Swiftech’s flagship Apogee XL CPU block, which is among the finest available on the market, and took top performance honors in our mainstream block comparisons. The radiator is built from Swiftech’s tried and true 240QP, featuring copper/brass construction and low restriction 12 fpi optimized for low noise cooling. The MCP-30 pump is capable of more than 1 gpm flow rates with enough head pressure to easily accommodate additional radiators and blocks. A small reservoir with bleed port is permanently mounted to the radiator and all is tied together with black 3/8” x 5/8” tubing. All fittings are G1/4” excepting the pump outlet (a G1/4” adapter is available from Swiftech for $4.95) to allow for changes to the fittings of your choice. Unlike a CLC, the H240-X is nothing short of a pre-assembled collection of top quality discrete liquid cooling components, and it shows in the build quality and performance.

And the performance….I expected the comparison graphs to look a bit absurd in this review, but even I was a bit surprised at just how far in front of the comparison units the H240-X stood. This wasn’t a collection of “also-rans” we compared the H240-X to, these are top performing CLC and air coolers available on the market today and the H240-X flat out embarrassed them in every aspect. The overall max performance was a full five degrees cooler than the nearest comparison unit not manufactured by Swiftech, and that unit used a 360mm radiator and came in nearly 10 dB louder. When we ran our low noise tests the increased passive capabilities of the larger copper/brass radiator really took hold, and the H240-X put up noise/performance levels unlike anything we have ever tested out of a box. As I said earlier, the H240-X is a top quality small loop that happens to be pre-assembled, and that is exactly what it performs and sounds like.

I had stated in my review that the H220-X makes CLCs a non-factor, and the H240-X follows that pattern, but putting even more possibilities on the table. For the novice or CPU only user, the H240-X is simply the best performing cooler you can buy that is ready for install out of the box, and it accomplishes this with incredible quiet. For those looking to expand, the 240mm radiator will handle most GPU additions, while the pump is ready to take on more additions as you see fit. For years, consumers have been excited about the possibility of jumping into liquid cooling. Many held off for fear of complicated setups or expenses, or found themselves with loud CLCs offering mediocre performance. With the X Series, Swiftech has gift wrapped a custom loop, assembled it and delivered it at an astonishingly low price point. In other words, with the H220-X and H240-X, Swiftech is delivering the real liquid cooling performance that those making the jump have craved but haven't gotten, while giving you all of the convenience of a CLC. Whether you are making your initial foray into liquid cooling, are looking for an upgrade from CLC or are an experienced user doing a small loop, the Swiftech X Series should be planted firmly at the top of your “must have” list, and the H240-X is the biggest, baddest member of the series. The H220-X and H240-X are game changers, plain and simple, and are the biggest advance in cooling that we have seen in years.

In terms of the 970 water block, I found a water block merely covering the chipset for $60. Along with that, I'll raise the limit to $200. Get me that and I will be ever so thankful.
If you look at the detailed reviews, the stock air cooler keeps the GPU at about 63C .... the VRAM and VRM however are running well up into the 80s. So the GPU water block basically ads water cooling to the GPU and makes it run cooler when it doesn't really need it.... but now with the lack of fans, the VRM and VRM will rn hotter, making the high temps worse.

Here's what I'd do.....

1. Buy a case that can do air and water cooling well.... the Phanteks Enthoo Luxe is the epitome of this concept.

2. Put a Swiftech 240x in it for $150.

3. Grab a full cover water block / backplate and 280mm radiator (Alphacool UT66-280 $ $55) when you're ready.... a few fittings, tubing and coolant swap and you're done.

 

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"Here's what I'd do.....

1. Buy a case that can do air and water cooling well.... the Phanteks Enthoo Luxe is the epitome of this concept.

2. Put a Swiftech 240x in it for $150.

3. Grab a full cover water block / backplate and 280mm radiator (Alphacool UT66-280 $ $55) when you're ready.... a few fittings, tubing and coolant swap and you're done."



1. I'm sorry for my ignorance in this subject but why would I need to buy another radiator? Doesn't the Swiftech H240-X support both CPU and GPU cooling?
2. One more thing. If I were to liquid cool my CPU and then get some extra cash later to purchase the 970 water block would it be possible to add the GPU to the loop?
 

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Would a quad radiator be worth the money, though?
 


1. Wattage .... 4690k overclocked can put out as much as 145 watts. The 970 can do 188 watts (168 + 20 for overclocking). That's 356 watts w/ the 23 watt pump ... you'll need at least 60% of that wattage to be handled by the radiator(s). That means 214 watts of cooling. Go here and scroll down to the bottom of the 1st post and download the file for Swiftech Rads

http://www.overclock.net/t/1457426/radiator-size-estimator

We see that at

1000 rpm we get 128 watts
1250 rpm we get 150
1400 rpm we get 163
1800 rpm we get 197
2200 rpm we get 221

You can certainly get away with just the H240-X but you're looking at 1933 rpm for a Delta T of 10C ...


With the H220-X...

1000 rpm we get 94 watts
1250 rpm we get 110
1400 rpm we get 120
1800 rpm we get 145
2200 rpm we get 163

At 2200 rpm we'd have a Delta T of about 13C

a) Do you **need** 10C .... no but that is the general design target .... CLCs typically operate significantly higher than 10C..... custom water loops are designed for 10C and then budgets and case room get factored in and we try and get as close as budget and case allows. And remeber, we are talking these are temps when stress testing, not normal gaming.

b) What speed is OK ? Well that depends on your noise sensitivity. I used (15) 1200-1250 rpm fans (10 radiator / 5 case) but I run the fan control utility to keep them between 350 and 850 rpm. At 900 rpm, I can hear them so don't let it go there. An air cooler generally operates between 700 and 1200 rpm. If you wanna maintain that kind of noise level w/ the H240-X, you'd want to be at 1250 which gets ya 150 watts or about 2/3 of max draw.

Adding a 2nd 970 would add another 113 watts of rad cooling req't for 326 or about 163 per radiator. So adding a 2nd 280mm rad with 1400 rpm fans would be perfect .... the Swiftech's hit 1800 but control them w/ speed control and I'll bet in normal gaming everything is nice and quiet.

So by all means start out with the H240-X .... you can see form the wattage numbers above it gives you 36% more cooling for $10 (7%). If you find the fan noise bothersome, you can add the 2nd 2800 mm rad (2 x 140mm) for $65 and two fans from Swiftech for $22 more. Then if you decide to get second card, you have more than enuff cooling.
 

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Let me ask you something would the h220-x and MCR140-X Drive be able to cool 2 gpus and a cpu or would you add another rad ? http://www.swiftech.com/MCR140-X.aspx
 
That's gonna depend a lot on whether we are talking about two 960s (120 watts each) or two 290xs (300+ watts each)....

It's going yo depend on whether we're talking about a 5960X or a G3258

From Swiftech file here
http://www.overclock.net/t/1457426/radiator-size-estimator

H220-X - 2 x 120mm @ 1800 rpm = 145 watts

MCR140-X 1 x 140m @ 1800 = 98 watts

That's 243 watts of cooling which should handle up to about 400 watts of load. A 280mm rad would be better and allow the fans to run quieter.

4690k @ 4.8 Ghz = 135 watts
GTX 970 = 200 watts peak x 2 = 535 watts.

Your delta T would be about 14C which works

 

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Yeah im trying to do something like http://www.swiftech.org/images/products/detail/MCR140-X-INSTALLEDX800.jpg but make it 1 continuous loop not 2 separate with a 4690k oc and 2 gpus oc waiting for 390xs but if it wont fit my budget ill go with 980ti.
 

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