Build Advice Help with new PC (board, RAM, fans) ?

[Elliah246]

Specs:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
GPU: ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER OC 16GB
Display: Dell Alienware AW3225QF
PSU: be quiet! Straight Power 12 1000W ATX 3.0
CASE: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower
COOLER: Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360
Board: ROG STRIX X670E-E GAMING
Ram: Corsair Vengeance 2x16GB DDR5 5200

Looking for confirmation, is this build going to work?
I've got a few more questions, the asus rog support website does not show the Corsair Vengeance 2x16GB DDR5 5200 under the QVL list, what exactly should i know about that? Note that the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D supports no more than DDR5 5200 and the ROG STRIX X670E-E GAMING works with dual memory.
I would like to use EXPO but i'm unsure if this will work out with the ram i listed in specs, since it's not on the QVL.
Is the Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower compatible with the Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360? On corsairs specs page only corsair coolers are listed as compatible but they also list 360 radiators as compatible, this confuses me.
What case fans do you recommend to use with the Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower?
Should i get 140 or 120 fans, which ones are more cooling efficent and which ones produce less noise?

Thanks in advance to anyone helping me understand the specs properly so i can make a wise decision.
PS: My budget is 4300$, less is better.

 

[Lutfij]

Welcome to the forums, newcomer!

At face value, yes the build will work. We could do with a PCPartPicker link or a link to the store you're purchasing parts from to understand how much is being spent per part/component.

You can get away with a reliably built 850W PSU.

 

[Elliah246]

The budget is not an issue, i have enough.

I saw a review from someone with a similar setup and he said 850 watt didn't work out so just to be sure and future proof i would pick the 1000watt.

 

[Elliah246]

Any suggestions on which GPU support bracket to pick and should i purchase 2x140mm fans or 3x120mm fansfor the Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case? Also, any suggestions on which case-fans i should get?
If you need more details, the GPU support bracket should be compatible with the ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER OC 16GB or future nvidia 50 series cards.
The fans should be quiet and cooling efficent.
Last question, what are normal temps for the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D during idle, browsing, streaming, gaming?

 

[helper800]

Any suggestions on which GPU support bracket to pick and should i purchase 2x140mm fans or 3x120mm fansfor the Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case? Also, any suggestions on which case-fans i should get?
If you need more details, the GPU support bracket should be compatible with the ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER OC 16GB or future nvidia 50 series cards.
The fans should be quiet and cooling efficent.
Last question, what are normal temps for the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D during idle, browsing, streaming, gaming?

3x 120s is more airflow but louder than 2 140s. Noctua or Arctic p12 fans are my go to choices. If your motherboard and the case do not come with their own GPU support brackets I would get something like this or something like this. normal idle temps for a 7800X3D are anywhere from 30-50c. Gaming or productivity anywhere between 50-87c.

Make sure to get a kit of RAM that is confirmed on the QVL of the motherboard maker or tested to work by the RAM manufacturer. Personally I prefer G Skill RAM because of this. Here is their compatibility website for your motherboard. You want 2x16gb 6000M/Ts cl30 RAM.

This kit seems to be perfect for your needs:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LB...-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-f5-6000j3038f16gx2-fx5

This kit for RGB:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wL...r5-6000-cl30-memory-f5-6000j3036f16gx2-tz5nrw

 

[Elliah246]

3x 120s is more airflow but louder than 2 140s. Noctua or Arctic p12 fans are my go to choices. If your motherboard and the case do not come with their own GPU support brackets I would get something like this or something like this. normal idle temps for a 7800X3D are anywhere from 30-50c. Gaming or productivity anywhere between 50-87c.

Make sure to get a kit of RAM that is confirmed on the QVL of the motherboard maker or tested to work by the RAM manufacturer. Personally I prefer G Skill RAM because of this. Here is their compatibility website for your motherboard. You want 2x16gb 6000M/Ts cl30 RAM.

This kit seems to be perfect for your needs:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LB...-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-f5-6000j3038f16gx2-fx5

This kit for RGB:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wL...r5-6000-cl30-memory-f5-6000j3036f16gx2-tz5nrw

Thanks, what about bequiet case fans, if we speak about 120 and 140 fans are there some cases where they might not fit depending on the brand or does the brand not matter and only the size?

10 dollar for a single gpu support bracket, lol greedy psychos. In that case i can create my own bracket and not waste money.

But the ryzen only supports 5200 ram speed not 6000, are you suggesting i should underclock?
Corsair also has good rams but its not on the qvl, which doesnt necessarely mean it wont work.
Also the CL is way higher than 30 with all the ddr5 rams i checked from corsair.

Yeah never buy anything without RGB otherwise theres a major risk of your eyes being underchallenged by the environment which might result in immediate blindness and dropping dead from your gaming chair. I have also heard storys that some computers started burning because the RGB boosted the FPS to much.

 

[Elliah246]

87 C for the cpu is way to hot, i know the newer cpu generations have these temps but cmon?!
Not to long ago pretty much everyone agreed that your cpu shouldnt go above 65 C otherwise the heat will radicaly lower the lifespan.

 

[Lucky_SLS]

Even if you want to go for top of the line components it wont cross 3500 USD:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($369.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Alphacool Core Ocean T38 92.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.50 @ ModMyMods)
Motherboard: ASRock B650E Taichi Lite EATX AM5 Motherboard ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial T500 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GAMING X SLIM GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card ($849.99 @ Newegg)
Case: be quiet! Shadow Base 800 DX ATX Mid Tower Case ($149.90 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: ADATA XPG Core Reactor II 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($147.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Home Retail - Download 64-bit ($123.94 @ Walmart)
Monitor: Acer Predator X45 bmiiphuzx 44.5" 3440 x 1440 240 Hz Curved Monitor ($1149.99 @ B&H)
Total: $3440.28
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-02-16 10:43 EST-0500

More sensible option:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($369.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit EVO 69 CFM CPU Cooler ($42.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock B650E PG RIPTIDE WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Acer Predator GM7000 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($124.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte EAGLE OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card ($829.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF A3 - TT Premium Edition 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Home Retail - Download 64-bit ($123.94 @ Walmart)
Monitor: MSI MAG401QR 40.0" 3440 x 1440 155 Hz Monitor ($399.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $2370.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-02-16 10:49 EST-0500

 

[helper800]

87 C for the cpu is way to hot, i know the newer cpu generations have these temps but cmon?!
Not to long ago pretty much everyone agreed that your cpu shouldnt go above 65 C otherwise the heat will radicaly lower the lifespan.

That is incorrect. CPUs now will boost their frequencies as far as their thermals will allow them to automatically. This means that the set target temperature provided to motherboard manufacturers by AMD/Intel is where these CPUs will hover around. It is not uncommon in highly threaded workloads for these CPUs to sit around 80-90c for AMD and 90-100c for Intel. The TJMAX of intel CPUs is 100c and the TJMAX for AMD CPUS is between 87-95c.

When you say not long ago "everyone agreed" that CPUs should not go over 65c is because CPUs did not auto regulate their clocks and voltages like they do now with the various turbo boosting technologies. There is no evidence that maintained temperatures above 65c will "lower the lifespan" of CPUs as a generalized statement. If anything "not too long ago" the consensus was that your temps were good if they were 65c or lower, not that they were "bad" if they were over 65c. I have a 3570k that has been over 70c for probably 20%+ of its 12 year lifespan because its been OCed to 4.2gz the entire time. No issues whatsoever.

 

[helper800]

Thanks, what about bequiet case fans, if we speak about 120 and 140 fans are there some cases where they might not fit depending on the brand or does the brand not matter and only the size?

I am sure the bequiet fans are fine, I just have little first hand experience with them. First you need to decide the size of your fan and then the performance you want. For instance their are louder high cfm fans, more sensible but still highish cfm fans, and then there are fans made to be nearly silent but have lower cfm. Most fans are designed to do at least two of the three of the above mentioned being very quiet at low RPMs and have at least moderate cfm and reasonable noise towards their middle and top RPMs. Brand matters because you know what you are getting off the reputation of the brand and their mentioned performance metrics on their fans. You also get your fans warranty through the brand you choose.

10 dollar for a single gpu support bracket, lol greedy psychos. In that case i can create my own bracket and not waste money.

Do whatever you will. If your GPU has an aluminum backplate it likely does not even need a support bracket.

But the ryzen only supports 5200 ram speed not 6000, are you suggesting i should underclock?
Corsair also has good rams but its not on the qvl, which doesnt necessarely mean it wont work.
Also the CL is way higher than 30 with all the ddr5 rams i checked from corsair.

5200 M/Ts RAM is the baseline supported speed for AMD CPUs. AMD CPUs typically massively benefit from faster RAM kits that have low timings. For the 7000 series AMD CPUs 6000-6400 M/Ts RAM with timings between 34-30 typically provide the best performance. All you need to do is set an AMD EXPO profile in the BIOS for the advertised speeds of the kit of RAM that you get and your done. This process is usually just 2-3 clicks of a drop down menu in the BIOS.

 

[Elliah246]

Even if you want to go for top of the line components it wont cross 3500 USD:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($369.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Alphacool Core Ocean T38 92.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.50 @ ModMyMods)
Motherboard: ASRock B650E Taichi Lite EATX AM5 Motherboard ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial T500 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GAMING X SLIM GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card ($849.99 @ Newegg)
Case: be quiet! Shadow Base 800 DX ATX Mid Tower Case ($149.90 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: ADATA XPG Core Reactor II 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($147.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Home Retail - Download 64-bit ($123.94 @ Walmart)
Monitor: Acer Predator X45 bmiiphuzx 44.5" 3440 x 1440 240 Hz Curved Monitor ($1149.99 @ B&H)
Total: $3440.28
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-02-16 10:43 EST-0500

More sensible option:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($369.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit EVO 69 CFM CPU Cooler ($42.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock B650E PG RIPTIDE WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Acer Predator GM7000 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($124.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte EAGLE OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card ($829.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF A3 - TT Premium Edition 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Home Retail - Download 64-bit ($123.94 @ Walmart)
Monitor: MSI MAG401QR 40.0" 3440 x 1440 155 Hz Monitor ($399.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $2370.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-02-16 10:49 EST-0500

That's nice and all but i'm already over your suggested price with the part list i got, including keyboard and mouse 4,333 USD
Ive never had anything from asrock, do they have anything to do with asus? Is it a good brand for quality?
Oh and im laughing my ass of rn, imagine paying money for an closed source operatingsystem that collects your personal information and sells it to advertisers LOL, nope, wont happen ever.

 

[Elliah246]

That is incorrect. CPUs now will boost their frequencies as far as their thermals will allow them to automatically. This means that the set target temperature provided to motherboard manufacturers by AMD/Intel is where these CPUs will hover around. It is not uncommon in highly threaded workloads for these CPUs to sit around 80-90c for AMD and 90-100c for Intel. The TJMAX of intel CPUs is 100c and the TJMAX for AMD CPUS is between 87-95c.

When you say not long ago "everyone agreed" that CPUs should not go over 65c is because CPUs did not auto regulate their clocks and voltages like they do now with the various turbo boosting technologies. There is no evidence that maintained temperatures above 65c will "lower the lifespan" of CPUs as a generalized statement. If anything "not too long ago" the consensus was that your temps were good if they were 65c or lower, not that they were "bad" if they were over 65c. I have a 3570k that has been over 70c for probably 20%+ of its 12 year lifespan because its been OCed to 4.2gz the entire time. No issues whatsoever.

Dust and heat are the only things killing computers over time.
Makes sense from a marketing perspective, the soon the components dies the sooner the user will buy a new one, not saying that is the case but could be.
It can't be healthy for a cpu running at these insane temps, performance is nice and all but id rather keep the processor at lower temps and have a little less performance.
Could be that this is the new standard because intel and amd are trying so hard to compete with each other so someone from the management just came up with "i got a brilliant idea, let's just increase the temperature to insane values if that also results in higher performance".
You are right i was vague, what i ment is over the past decade cpus offer better performance but also reach higher temps, think back to 2016 there was no cpu reaching temps as they do now, atleast not without overclocking. And before 2014 temps under heavy loads was in 40-50.
These days cpus have higher temps thand gpus, this used to be the opposite.

 

[Elliah246]

5200 M/Ts RAM is the baseline supported speed for AMD CPUs. AMD CPUs typically massively benefit from faster RAM kits that have low timings. For the 7000 series AMD CPUs 6000-6400 M/Ts RAM with timings between 34-30 typically provide the best performance. All you need to do is set an AMD EXPO profile in the BIOS for the advertised speeds of the kit of RAM that you get and your done. This process is usually just 2-3 clicks of a drop down menu in the BIOS.

https://www.amd.com/en/product/12731
Max Memory Speed
2x1R
DDR5-5200

2x2R
DDR5-5200

4x1R
DDR5-3600

4x2R
DDR5-3600

I don't see anything above 5200 being listed in the official specs?

 

[helper800]

https://www.amd.com/en/product/12731
Max Memory Speed
2x1R
DDR5-5200

2x2R
DDR5-5200

4x1R
DDR5-3600

4x2R
DDR5-3600

I don't see anything above 5200 being listed in the official specs?

Those are the maximum supported baseline speeds. Almost anyone who builds a PC will run RAM at 6000+ M/Ts on a modern DDR5 AMD platform.

Dust and heat are the only things killing computers over time.
Makes sense from a marketing perspective, the soon the components dies the sooner the user will buy a new one, not saying that is the case but could be.
It can't be healthy for a cpu running at these insane temps, performance is nice and all but id rather keep the processor at lower temps and have a little less performance.
Could be that this is the new standard because intel and amd are trying so hard to compete with each other so someone from the management just came up with "i got a brilliant idea, let's just increase the temperature to insane values if that also results in higher performance".
You are right i was vague, what i ment is over the past decade cpus offer better performance but also reach higher temps, think back to 2016 there was no cpu reaching temps as they do now, atleast not without overclocking. And before 2014 temps under heavy loads was in 40-50.
These days cpus have higher temps thand gpus, this used to be the opposite.

Your notion that heat causes any harm at the ranges you say they will is completely baseless. I have never had a CPU die out of nowhere on me that was not DOA. I have build over 30 custom PCs at this point and helped hundreds on this forums never to see them come back to their thread and say the CPU died for any reason, let alone heat.

 

[Elliah246]

Those are the maximum supported baseline speeds. Almost anyone who builds a PC will run RAM at 6000+ M/Ts on a modern DDR5 AMD platform.

Your notion that heat causes any harm at the ranges you say they will is completely baseless. I have never had a CPU die out of nowhere on me that was not DOA. I have build over 30 custom PCs at this point and helped hundreds on this forums never to see them come back to their thread and say the CPU died for any reason, let alone heat.

Let me quote what another person wrote to me about the 5200 speeds,
"It means that the RAM is not supported by the CPU at speeds any faster than 5200 MHz. You can overclock the memory to something like 6000 if you like, but you run the risk of damaging the on die memory controller in the CPU."
What do you say to that?

 

[Lucky_SLS]

Let me quote what another person wrote to me about the 5200 speeds,
"It means that the RAM is not supported by the CPU at speeds any faster than 5200 MHz. You can overclock the memory to something like 6000 if you like, but you run the risk of damaging the on die memory controller in the CPU."
What do you say to that?

I am daily driving my PC with PBO enabled at 80 deg lvl 5 and rams at 6000mhz EXPO profile. what do you say to that?

The overvoltage fiasco on X3D chips have long since been patched by mobo BIOS updates. please dont troll when ppl give you honest advice.

 

[Elliah246]

I am daily driving my PC with PBO enabled at 80 deg lvl 5 and rams at 6000mhz EXPO profile. what do you say to that?

The overvoltage fiasco on X3D chips have long since been patched by mobo BIOS updates. please dont troll when ppl give you honest advice.

I say that you dont need to call people troll for asking legitemate questions.
The official amd specs page says support memory speed max 5200 there is no maybe or maybe not, this is what it says and i want to understand why i can go higher than that.
I know the overvoltages have been patched and i wasnt even talking about that, i simply copy pasted another users comment because when i read something like "ondie memory damage" it sounds like something i want to avoid, i didnt think this can only happen without a patched bios.

 

[helper800]

MPO is multiplaneoverlay? What does it do? I thought this is a graphics panel setting not bios?

I say that you dont need to call people troll for asking legitemate questions.
The official amd specs page says support memory speed max 5200 there is no maybe or maybe not, this is what it says and i want to understand why i can go higher than that.
I know the overvoltages have been patched and i wasnt even talking about that, i simply copy pasted another users comment because when i read something like "ondie memory damage" it sounds like something i want to avoid, i didnt think this can only happen without a patched bios.

https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/expo

 

[Lucky_SLS]

MPO is multiplaneoverlay? What does it do? I thought this is a graphics panel setting not bios?

I say that you dont need to call people troll for asking legitemate questions.
The official amd specs page says support memory speed max 5200 there is no maybe or maybe not, this is what it says and i want to understand why i can go higher than that.
I know the overvoltages have been patched and i wasnt even talking about that, i simply copy pasted another users comment because when i read something like "ondie memory damage" it sounds like something i want to avoid, i didnt think this can only happen without a patched bios.

It would not have looked like a troll comment if you tried to understand what @helper800 said and did a bit of research yourself. Instead, you question him blindly based on another user's comment inspite after his good explanation.

To answer your question, working within expo profile spec won't damage your cpu or the memory controller. Previously, AMD and mobo manufacturers went beyond the recommended spec to oc as long as the temps were under 90c and fried the chips. This time, after the patch, they are limiting the cpu voltage and memory voltage to 1.35v and 1.8v iirc.

The reason for 5200mhz is you need more voltage to your memory controller if you want to run the memory faster at expo spec. Amd does not cover overclocking in their warranty. So the official non overclocking voltage will always be lower and hence 5200mhz for memory.

I pointed out how much you are over spending on your part list. And no, keyboard and mouse would cost you 300 usd max even for top of the line models. That's especially true when you don't need RGB in your PC.

And you should get a 4090 if you plan to game on that Alienware 4k monitor.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html


I am happy to use DLSS and upscale my games and don't really need 120+ fps in all my games. But you should not do that when you are spending 4k usd on your PC.

 

[ilukey77]

my advice would be to go the sweet spot for Ram so the cl 30 6000

 

[Elliah246]

my advice would be to go the sweet spot for Ram so the cl 30 6000

thanks for the tipp

 

[Elliah246]

It would not have looked like a troll comment if you tried to understand what @helper800 said and did a bit of research yourself. Instead, you question him blindly based on another user's comment inspite after his good explanation.

To answer your question, working within expo profile spec won't damage your cpu or the memory controller. Previously, AMD and mobo manufacturers went beyond the recommended spec to oc as long as the temps were under 90c and fried the chips. This time, after the patch, they are limiting the cpu voltage and memory voltage to 1.35v and 1.8v iirc.

The reason for 5200mhz is you need more voltage to your memory controller if you want to run the memory faster at expo spec. Amd does not cover overclocking in their warranty. So the official non overclocking voltage will always be lower and hence 5200mhz for memory.

I pointed out how much you are over spending on your part list. And no, keyboard and mouse would cost you 300 usd max even for top of the line models. That's especially true when you don't need RGB in your PC.

And you should get a 4090 if you plan to game on that Alienware 4k monitor.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html


I am happy to use DLSS and upscale my games and don't really need 120+ fps in all my games. But you should not do that when you are spending 4k usd on your PC.

I see AMD EXPO is the equivalent for Intel XMP, i have never used amd hardware yet.
So anything above 5200 is outside of the warranty, which doesnt seem to stop anyone from overclocking / expo, but where do i draw the line, how to i determine whats good and whats not, are the expo profiles generaly save to use and so the only risk comes from manual overclocking?
Does the ram have to be on the QVL to support an expo profile or is this irrelevat?

 

[Lucky_SLS]

It's better if the ram is in the qvl list but not strictly required. My Corsair Vengeance rams are xmp kits. Not expo. And they work with a mobo bios update.

Yes, Expo profiles are safe to use. As for what you feel is safe to use, it depends on the setup and the user. I can only share my experience.