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If I have a hero in play, and I activate his ability causing it to tap, and
then flip. Will it be flipped as the Legend 'tapped' or 'untapped'?





Name: Initiate of Blood
Set & Rarity: Champions of Kamigawa uncommon

Versions:
Cost:
Card Type: Creature - Ogre Shaman
P/T: 2/2
Rules Text (Oracle): : Initiate of Blood deals 1 damage to target
creature that was dealt damage this turn. When that creature is put into a
graveyard this turn, flip Initiate of Blood.
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Goka the Unjust
Legendary Creature - Ogre Shaman
4/4
: Goka the Unjust deals 4 damage to target creature that was dealt
damage this turn.

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Archived from groups: rec.games.trading-cards.magic.rules (More info?)

"Whitelighter" <white@light.co.uk> writes:
> If I have a hero in play, and I activate his ability causing it to tap, and
> then flip. Will it be flipped as the Legend 'tapped' or 'untapped'?

If a flip card gets flipped, it keeps its counters, enchantments,
tappedness, and pretty much everything else. The card just looks a
little different now, that's all. It works just like Morph or copy
cards that change what they are, if that helps.

--
Peter C.
"... Had this been an actual emergency, we would have fled in terror,
and you would not have been informed."
 
Archived from groups: rec.games.trading-cards.magic.rules (More info?)

Q: Are we not men? A: We are Whitelighter!
> If I have a hero in play, and I activate his ability causing it to tap, and
> then flip. Will it be flipped as the Legend 'tapped' or 'untapped'?

Tapped, in the case you describe. Nothing about flipping a card taps or
untaps it; it will be tapped or untapped depending on which it was
immediately before it flipped. (To address a possible source of the
confusion, and maybe head off some other questions: Flipping a card is
not, in any way, removing the old card from play and putting a new one
into play; it remains the same card for all purposes, it's just that
most of its characteristics have changed.)


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It's not a good idea to send binaries of any kind to this group (or most
newsgroups other than those explicitly intended for binaries). The above
junk is how they'll appear to many users, and as a result, it annoys
many people.
 
Archived from groups: rec.games.trading-cards.magic.rules (More info?)

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:43:02 +0200, Whitelighter <white@light.co.uk> wrote:
>If I have a hero in play, and I activate his ability causing it to tap, and
>then flip. Will it be flipped as the Legend 'tapped' or 'untapped'?

Flipping it doesn't change anything about it but what it "looks like" - which
side of the card is on top. If it was tapped, and flips, it's still tapped
after it flips; this doesn't change what effects are affecting him, who
controls him, what counters are on him, what's attached to him, etc.

Also, please do NOT attach binaries to your post; this is not a binary group.

Dave
 
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Jeff Heikkinen wrote:

> Q: Are we not men? A: We are Whitelighter!
>> If I have a hero in play,

ITYM "Creature", not "Hero"

>> and I activate his ability causing it to tap,
>> and then flip. Will it be flipped as the Legend 'tapped' or 'untapped'?
>
> Tapped, in the case you describe. Nothing about flipping a card taps or
> untaps it; it will be tapped or untapped depending on which it was
> immediately before it flipped. (To address a possible source of the
> confusion, and maybe head off some other questions: Flipping a card is
> not, in any way, removing the old card from play and putting a new one
> into play; it remains the same card for all purposes, it's just that
> most of its characteristics have changed.)
>
>
>> begin 666 exp_sym_ChampionsofKamigawa_U.gif
>> M1TE&.#EA%0`5`/<``/______S/__F?__9O__,___`/_,___,S/_,F?_,9O_,
>> M,__,`/^9__^9S/^9F?^99O^9,_^9`/]F__]FS/]FF?]F9O]F,_]F`/\S__\S
>
> (many more lines of this snipped)
>
> It's not a good idea to send binaries of any kind to this group (or most
> newsgroups other than those explicitly intended for binaries). The above
> junk is how they'll appear to many users, and as a result, it annoys
> many people.

And many people will never see your post at all: I never saw your
original post because it got filtered out at my newserver for
having binary content.

--
Christopher Mattern

"Which one you figure tracked us?"
"The ugly one, sir."
"...Could you be more specific?"
 
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Q: Are we not men? A: We are Chris Mattern!
> Jeff Heikkinen wrote:
>
> > Q: Are we not men? A: We are Whitelighter!
> >> If I have a hero in play,
>
> ITYM "Creature", not "Hero"

No, I'm pretty sure he meant "hero". That's R&D's name for the flip
cards (not to be confused with the creature type Hero, which hasn't
appeared since Homelands, one Unhinged card aside).
 
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Yes, thanks for binary advice, I do not know why it did that, I pasted the
info from a document I have. The document had images. Next time I will know.


"David DeLaney" <dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote in message
news:slrncuj4cv.hts.dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com...
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:43:02 +0200, Whitelighter <white@light.co.uk> wrote:
>If I have a hero in play, and I activate his ability causing it to tap, and
>then flip. Will it be flipped as the Legend 'tapped' or 'untapped'?

Flipping it doesn't change anything about it but what it "looks like" -
which
side of the card is on top. If it was tapped, and flips, it's still tapped
after it flips; this doesn't change what effects are affecting him, who
controls him, what counters are on him, what's attached to him, etc.

Also, please do NOT attach binaries to your post; this is not a binary
group.

Dave