Hello all, this is a very interesting and helpful forum. I hope you guys can lend me a hand.
This is yet another first-build noob posting for advice. I have been reading up on all the forums, looking at and comparing prices for days now, and my head is about ready to explode. I've come up with about 5 potential builds, but everyone's opinion differs, something changes and then the whole build gets restarted. It's pretty hard to make up my mind.
So... If I say exactly what I want, then I was hoping some of you kind and lovely people would recommend me complete builds (i.e. all of the major components as a bundle, excluding, mouse and keyboard which I have). That way I should be able to avoid annoying hardware conflicts.
What follows will be pretty long, detailed, and even boring. However, I feel like it's my job to be as precise as possible - to help you help me. THANKS!!
- Budget $900 (firm)
- I am NOT looking for an amazing, ultra-perfect, top of the line system. I I want something a) economical b) functional (does what I want it to decently), and c) upgradeable, so I can improve this system in the future and save money 2/3 years down the line (my main reason for not buying a prebuilt system which could save me some $$$ e.g. the IBM system on spoofee.com a couple of days ago for <$500).
- USE of computer: the usual internet and word processing stuff (I am a philosophy graduate student), home-studio type music production (I play bass, and other instruments and make jazz/funk/soul tracks for fun), minimal gaming (CS, not CS source at the moment) .
- I am happy to get a no OS system. (leave it to me to add on the price of that).
- My primary concern is to have a syertem that can handle some reasonable level MUSIC PRODUCTION. Not at pro studio level (my studio hardware doesn't merit that), but that can deal with Ableton Live 5, Reason, bunches of VST plugins, and a lot of WAV files at once. I rarely record > I/2 mic's at one time. At the moment I am using a Dell Inspiron 5150, with Pentium 3, and 512 MB Ram, so anything will be a major step up
- I already have a sound-card in the form of an audio interface. The AI is an Edirol FA101, so i want a FIREWIRE (i1394) READY motherboard (or a mobo and PCI card combo that will do firewire for not too much extra cash). I realise that maybe later I will want to upgrade to an Amu sound card or something, but this can wait for now (unless someone can tell me why an onbaord sound card will be better for me than the AI - does it effect track rendering, isn't that all just digital?)
- Because of interest in music production I need a fairly fast, dual core CPU. I was thinking an Athlon 64 x2 4200+ with AM2 slot (so i can later upgrade to Athlon 64 FX / x2 5000 when the price comes down. Is that correct?). Why should I go Intel if I should?
- Clearly I need a decent amount of RAM (2GB). I am not interested in overclocking (I only half understand what it is, I do not game very much, and it seems irrelevant to my most CPU heavy music production tasks). So I want 2GB of 553 DDR2. I sort of want a mobo that can later go up to at least 4GB (I have a feeling that is going to become as standard in 3 yrs as 1GB is now, and 2GB shortly will be....)
- I would like a reasonably QUIET set up (recording...) but it doesn' have to be silent (as in silentpc.com)
- GAMING: I play some Counter-Strike, and may want to upgrade to CS Source, but that is about it. I am happy to wait and get a video card later (i.e. use graphics in mobo for the moment) and just not play source for now. This is a fairly low priority (I am trying to cut down on gaming). So if I will need an expensive video card to play CS source, just leave it out. I can get it later. I would rather spend more of the budget on the processors and memory - the core fo the computer - to make it fast and smooth and lovely to use.
- any old MONITOR that's 17' or so is fine. I like my photos on film, and my girlfriend does the photoshop stuff on her PC. I am budgeting for about $130 for that.
END OF REQUIREMENTS
Extra notes:
I was thinking (please don;t bite my head off for this) of a barebones SFF system: the Shuttle XPC SK22G2 ($209). Just seemed economical, and easy to get a couple of extra bits and have it up and running soon. I am not afraid to build, just a bit intimidated by the huge mass of options (I pick this mobo, then I need this or that CPU, which will only take this RAM etc.). I am not sure how cool (as in chilly, it is definately cool looking IMHO) and quiet the Shuttle will be, nor whether it's really ecomonical. A lot of people seem to recommend the Antec Sonata case and fan, which seems cool and quiet, but then I have to find a Mobo which means a lot of choosing etc.
I have no predjudice against Intel, but none for them. Athlon seem cheaper, with better options for upgrading with the AM2 slot (or however you say it). Feel free to correct me.
Any help would be greatly appreciated, and I hope some other noobs can benefit from advice I recieve.
Thanks everyone
This is yet another first-build noob posting for advice. I have been reading up on all the forums, looking at and comparing prices for days now, and my head is about ready to explode. I've come up with about 5 potential builds, but everyone's opinion differs, something changes and then the whole build gets restarted. It's pretty hard to make up my mind.
So... If I say exactly what I want, then I was hoping some of you kind and lovely people would recommend me complete builds (i.e. all of the major components as a bundle, excluding, mouse and keyboard which I have). That way I should be able to avoid annoying hardware conflicts.
What follows will be pretty long, detailed, and even boring. However, I feel like it's my job to be as precise as possible - to help you help me. THANKS!!
- Budget $900 (firm)
- I am NOT looking for an amazing, ultra-perfect, top of the line system. I I want something a) economical b) functional (does what I want it to decently), and c) upgradeable, so I can improve this system in the future and save money 2/3 years down the line (my main reason for not buying a prebuilt system which could save me some $$$ e.g. the IBM system on spoofee.com a couple of days ago for <$500).
- USE of computer: the usual internet and word processing stuff (I am a philosophy graduate student), home-studio type music production (I play bass, and other instruments and make jazz/funk/soul tracks for fun), minimal gaming (CS, not CS source at the moment) .
- I am happy to get a no OS system. (leave it to me to add on the price of that).
- My primary concern is to have a syertem that can handle some reasonable level MUSIC PRODUCTION. Not at pro studio level (my studio hardware doesn't merit that), but that can deal with Ableton Live 5, Reason, bunches of VST plugins, and a lot of WAV files at once. I rarely record > I/2 mic's at one time. At the moment I am using a Dell Inspiron 5150, with Pentium 3, and 512 MB Ram, so anything will be a major step up
- I already have a sound-card in the form of an audio interface. The AI is an Edirol FA101, so i want a FIREWIRE (i1394) READY motherboard (or a mobo and PCI card combo that will do firewire for not too much extra cash). I realise that maybe later I will want to upgrade to an Amu sound card or something, but this can wait for now (unless someone can tell me why an onbaord sound card will be better for me than the AI - does it effect track rendering, isn't that all just digital?)
- Because of interest in music production I need a fairly fast, dual core CPU. I was thinking an Athlon 64 x2 4200+ with AM2 slot (so i can later upgrade to Athlon 64 FX / x2 5000 when the price comes down. Is that correct?). Why should I go Intel if I should?
- Clearly I need a decent amount of RAM (2GB). I am not interested in overclocking (I only half understand what it is, I do not game very much, and it seems irrelevant to my most CPU heavy music production tasks). So I want 2GB of 553 DDR2. I sort of want a mobo that can later go up to at least 4GB (I have a feeling that is going to become as standard in 3 yrs as 1GB is now, and 2GB shortly will be....)
- I would like a reasonably QUIET set up (recording...) but it doesn' have to be silent (as in silentpc.com)
- GAMING: I play some Counter-Strike, and may want to upgrade to CS Source, but that is about it. I am happy to wait and get a video card later (i.e. use graphics in mobo for the moment) and just not play source for now. This is a fairly low priority (I am trying to cut down on gaming). So if I will need an expensive video card to play CS source, just leave it out. I can get it later. I would rather spend more of the budget on the processors and memory - the core fo the computer - to make it fast and smooth and lovely to use.
- any old MONITOR that's 17' or so is fine. I like my photos on film, and my girlfriend does the photoshop stuff on her PC. I am budgeting for about $130 for that.
END OF REQUIREMENTS
Extra notes:
I was thinking (please don;t bite my head off for this) of a barebones SFF system: the Shuttle XPC SK22G2 ($209). Just seemed economical, and easy to get a couple of extra bits and have it up and running soon. I am not afraid to build, just a bit intimidated by the huge mass of options (I pick this mobo, then I need this or that CPU, which will only take this RAM etc.). I am not sure how cool (as in chilly, it is definately cool looking IMHO) and quiet the Shuttle will be, nor whether it's really ecomonical. A lot of people seem to recommend the Antec Sonata case and fan, which seems cool and quiet, but then I have to find a Mobo which means a lot of choosing etc.
I have no predjudice against Intel, but none for them. Athlon seem cheaper, with better options for upgrading with the AM2 slot (or however you say it). Feel free to correct me.
Any help would be greatly appreciated, and I hope some other noobs can benefit from advice I recieve.
Thanks everyone