Question High-end computer but horrible stuttering ?

[NextdoorPsycho]

Ok so allow me to preface this with a little background.
Computer Specs:
CPU: AMD 5900x
GPU: 3080 TUF
Mobo: Rog Strix X570e Gaming, Bios: Version 4403, from (https://www.asus.com/supportonly/ROG STRIX X570-E GAMING/HelpDesk_BIOS/)
Power supply: RM1000x
OS: Windows 11 Pro
Mem: 64gb, 3600mhz

Issue:
While on my desktop doing software or something i either don't notice it or its not happening.
But i can look at my task manager and roughly every 15 seconds like clockwork, i see a small spike in like 4 of my cores and its just the "System" process doing it (at least that's what i can tell from task manager anyway.
And when I'm playing a game like Destiny, or using something that's something intensive, cpu, ram, or gpu, eventually ill notice the stuttering.

It also affects my GPU too:

https://imgur.com/qnUFeQO

View: https://i.imgur.com/qnUFeQO.png
(Specifically the "copy")
Here is a CPU Example:

https://imgur.com/ZGVtfX6

View: https://i.imgur.com/ZGVtfX6.png

Process:

https://imgur.com/TI3wHOs

View: https://i.imgur.com/TI3wHOs.png

Video: https://gfycat.com/DarlingSmallElephantbeetle

I've looked at a few of the thread posts on here and the generic reply is that i need to update my bios. i did that and then like a week later(if that) it came back. Its not a constant thing, and it does not happen on a timer(the actual like 0.15 second Micro stutter) i don't think its software related (I'm very conservative with what i install onto my computer because I'm anal with what gets access to my hardware. Steam, 4 games, IntelliJ, and some other SDK's for stuff i do. and it seems to always happen in games or programs where I'm doing. But its not consistent. in a 4 hour game, i can have it happen anywhere from 0 - 10 times making of breaking my game experience

What I've tried:

• Upgraded Bios
• Removed other software
• removed all unneeded windows Startup Services
• With winaero tweaker, Crippled all of windows background things
• Disabled all windows telemetry (winaero as well)
• updated nvidia drivers
• latest windows 11 as of whenever this message is (i just don't feel like typing the 8 character update)
• and more thats not coming to mind as i'm writing this
• I bought a TPM module for my mobo and it should be here today, though i doubt its going to fix thhhhhessue

I Literally never come to forums because i can usually fix these kinds of issues by slamming my face against the problem for at least 4 hours, and a coffee later. But this. This is something that i don't know what to do and it has been enough time, and enough pain, and enough googling "amd tpm stutter after update" and literally getting articles that are just catfishing for clicks to just repeat the same thing 6 other sites have as they are all mostly copy paste anyway- And come here. This has been happening for at least a year but the frequency changes from hours, to seconds, crippling my capability to type a message: withooooooo it llllloking like thissssssss. I easilly needed to correct the spelling on my message here 10+ times while writing because mid hitch id press a key, and it just gets spammed.

Hopefully some of you / someone can grace me with some insight on my issue, i really appreciate it. Thanks if you read this far, and sorry for the word vomit
Similar Threads I've noticed here:
https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/new-high-end-pc-infrequent-but-annoying-stutter.3776343/
and a few others but this is probably as accurate as i can get


Tried from this forum:

• Power setting
• Registry tweaks (wise Cleaner)
• DDU
• Reinstalling JUST windows (keep my files)
• Toggling DOCP
• Underclocking Memory 3600 -> 3200
• Setting the clocks in the bios from Tu1 -> tu2 to Auto

 

[DavidM012]

[SOLVED] - PC stuttering on capable hardware

So this problem has been my main gripe with my new PC for a while now, I’m using super high end parts yet I’m still having stutters on games like minecraft with default settings. To put the nail in the coffin, FTL: Faster Than Light stutters for me as well, a 8-bit 2d game that a toaster can...

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search the forum for stutter using the search bar at the top of the page.

There's a variety of results and it may not be the exact same cause as yours but I selected one out of the results I got using the term pc stutter.

Sometimes you need clues to narrow down the search terms and sometimes you can get clues for narrowing the search from the results of searching general terms.

https://forums.tomshardware.com/search/1929201/?q=pc+stutter&o=relevance

Keep a note and make of list of what didn't work so you can eliminate duplicate suggestions, which is also another way to eventually narrow your search.

You could also ask your mobo manufacturer for a clue since their service centers are usually reachable and responsive, not saying it's the motherboard just that their service is good sometimes and it loosely fits the notion of customer support too.

 

[NextdoorPsycho]

i would not have come here if i have not tried DDU, reinstalls, registry fixes, and some registry tweaks. im at a loss, thats all. but ill sift through it again, and give it another once over. if anyone else has any try-this's or ideas im all ears <3

 

[DavidM012]

that one was set windows power plan to balanced

you need to keep a list of what didn't work so it can be eliminated

you could ask your hardware manufacturers if they are familiar with the issue.

Could ask Microsoft support.

 

[NextdoorPsycho]

that one was set windows power plan to balanced

you need to keep a list of what didn't work so it can be eliminated

you could ask your hardware manufacturers if they are familiar with the issue.

Could ask Microsoft support.

Edited the message, but these things i have tried:

• Power setting
• Registry tweaks (wise Cleaner)
• DDU
• Reinstalling JUST windows (keep my files)
• Toggling DOCP
• Underclocking Memory 3600 -> 3200
• Setting the clocks in the bios from Tu1 -> tu2 to Auto

 

[DavidM012]

How To - Windows 10 clean install tutorial

If you are looking for the Windows 11 Clean install tutorial, you can find that here: Windows 11 Clean install tutorial (Click here) Otherwise, welcome to the Windows 10 Clean install tutorial This tutorial is intended to help you, step by step, to perform a clean install of Windows...

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Have you tried backing up all your data to a storage device so you don't lose one single byte

get that all safely stored somewhere out of the way

Go back to windows 10

You could just install windows 10 .

Then you could have a clue it's something to do with windows 11.

Since there must've been a rash of driver updates for windows 11 it could just be something in the jungle of that which hasn't been detected or smoothed out yet. You are looking for a needle in a haystack probably.

Use a magnet... ok so it's more like looking for a habitable exoplanet.

 

[DavidM012]

then try Darkbreeze's epic I hate windows 10 bloatware clean install

 

[DavidM012]

because he doesn't have one for windows 11.

 

[DavidM012]

also could just try a plain vanilla set bios to defaults via the motherboard jumper. Because everything usually works and should work on default settings out of the box.

 

[DavidM012]

You are sure you downloaded and installed the most recent drivers from the manufacturer website immediately after having properly cleanly installed windows and ran ddu?

Not just for the Graphics Card but for all the devices.

The sequence things are installed in could matter.

1)Do the clean install
2)Run ddu just to uninstall the default graphics driver.
3)Install steam.
4)Install driver booster. Download and install all the drivers it detects.

So there is literally nothing on your computer but windows and the latest drivers.

 

[NextdoorPsycho]

You are sure you downloaded and installed the most recent drivers from the manufacturer website immediately after having properly cleanly installed windows and ran ddu?

Not just for the Graphics Card but for all the devices.

The sequence things are installed in could matter.

1)Do the clean install
2)Run ddu just to uninstall the default graphics driver.
3)Install steam.
4)Install driver booster. Download and install all the drivers it detects.

So there is literally nothing on your computer but windows and the latest drivers.

a few things:
I am on windows 11, I look forward to a debated windows 11 install. I would not HATE going back to windows 10, but for software it's just not something I can do. so that's out. And yes I have run the Driver Booster thing post cleanup

 

[DavidM012]

So it's impossible because you don't want to try. I get that you are uninterested in the problem.

 

[DavidM012]

you don't have to commit to going back to windows 10. I mean just get one single drive connected to your PC to install windows 10 on cleanly for diagnostic purposes.

Put all your other drives somewhere else with your software and data. Until you have a clue of what the system is like cleanly with only the drivers on it and windows 10.

Don't have another drive to install windows cleanly on? Sorry cannot help you.

 

[DavidM012]

but you could still try ask manufacturers and or microsoft support.

 

[NextdoorPsycho]

So it's impossible because you don't want to try. I get that you are uninterested in the problem.

What? perhaps you misread the context of what I was trying to say. I have no problem downgrading to windows 10, I just do software that's version to specific to like windows 11. im not uninterested in the slightest, rather im really interested in getting this solved, but downgrading to windows 10 is not an option long term, and I longer have my backup drive as of late. That's all. I will try your reset bios thing and see what I can do with that, and I'll let you know. otherwise im going to keep running tests awaiting any more info here

 

[DavidM012]

Just do a clean install of windows with One single drive and nothing else attached to your pc that's all, you can load it up on a drive with all other drives disconnected.

Why? The method in the madness is so there isn't any other software that might be causing the stutter and so then you have a clue it might be some software on your windows 11 rig which could lead you in the direction of asking microsoft support.

 

[DavidM012]

So that might mean buying another low capacity cheap SSD but then you don't have to tangle with any of the software and data you need to be kept safe out of the way.

 

[DavidM012]

you don't have to commit to going back to windows 10. I mean just get one single drive connected to your PC to install windows 10 on cleanly for diagnostic purposes.

Put all your other drives somewhere else with your software and data. Until you have a clue of what the system is like cleanly with only the drivers on it and windows 10.

Don't have another drive to install windows cleanly on? Sorry cannot help you.

 

[NextdoorPsycho]

Thats alright, im thinking its 100% a software issue, like every core on the cpu just Spiking does not seem like a hardware failure

 

[DavidM012]

Could be anything. The bug seems to affecting the newer generations of performance hardware.

If you think it's a software issue prove it by isolating the software with the suggested clean install of windows 10, Trouble is we just don't know enough. A clean install of windows 10 is not really a definitive test but it will be a completely different set of drivers and software which will provide some contrast. It could be done in less than an hour as a diagnostic test.

We should be progressing through this by now.

After that it's down to asking hardware manufacturers if they are familiar with the issue. That's why we need the list of things tried so they don't just duplicate suggestions and ignore the issue. It will also narrow down the search for the cause of it. So then maybe one of their engineers will know what it is.

 

[NextdoorPsycho]

Could be anything. The bug seems to affecting the newer generations of performance hardware.

If you think it's a software issue prove it by isolating the software with the suggested clean install of windows 10, Trouble is we just don't know enough. A clean install of windows 10 is not really a definitive test but it will be a completely different set of drivers and software which will provide some contrast. It could be done in less than an hour as a diagnostic test.

We should be progressing through this by now.

After that it's down to asking hardware manufacturers if they are familiar with the issue. That's why we need the list of things tried so they don't just duplicate suggestions and ignore the issue. It will also narrow down the search for the cause of it. So then maybe one of their engineers will know what it is.

after a clean install of windows 11, the issue persists. freshly downloaded and installed, with factory bios and all.
Even when installing a Dedicated TPM chip into the mobo the issue persists so im confident its not TPM either

 

[DavidM012]

but not windows 10 yet

Ok so it's just a test and it might not show any difference either but that will show if it's a difference in drivers between windows 10 & 11 if it does?

Then if it doesn't show a difference it could be hardware. GPU fans spinning? Monitor the temps using hardware monitor

https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html

and hwinfo (which is much more comprehensive system info utility)

HWiNFO - Free System Information, Monitoring and Diagnostics

Free Hardware Analysis, Monitoring and Reporting. In-depth Hardware Information, Real-Time System Monitoring, Reporting & more

www.hwinfo.com

so get to the tried everything you know point and try contacting amd, asus and microsoft support.

Try looking at the event logs

try looking at device manager to see that there are no yellow exclamation marks

have you tried driver booster from steam to scan and and install all the latest drivers which include all the system device drivers not simply the gpu

we are getting to the point of exhausting average consumer knowledge. It shouldn't take this long!

 

[DavidM012]

by the way the download button for hwmonitor is scroll down the page on the left not the hwmonitor pro button on the top right corner which is a trial version of the not free version

 

[DavidM012]

the event viewer is in windows

 

[K4sh]

Ok so allow me to preface this with a little background.
Computer Specs:
CPU: AMD 5900x
GPU: 3080 TUF
Mobo: Rog Strix X570e Gaming, Bios: Version 4403, from (https://www.asus.com/supportonly/ROG STRIX X570-E GAMING/HelpDesk_BIOS/)
Power supply: RM1000x
OS: Windows 11 Pro
Mem: 64gb, 3600mhz

Issue:
While on my desktop doing software or something i either don't notice it or its not happening.
But i can look at my task manager and roughly every 15 seconds like clockwork, i see a small spike in like 4 of my cores and its just the "System" process doing it (at least that's what i can tell from task manager anyway.
And when I'm playing a game like Destiny, or using something that's something intensive, cpu, ram, or gpu, eventually ill notice the stuttering.

It also affects my GPU too:

https://imgur.com/qnUFeQO

View: https://i.imgur.com/qnUFeQO.png
(Specifically the "copy")
Here is a CPU Example:

https://imgur.com/ZGVtfX6

View: https://i.imgur.com/ZGVtfX6.png

Process:

https://imgur.com/TI3wHOs

View: https://i.imgur.com/TI3wHOs.png

Video: https://gfycat.com/DarlingSmallElephantbeetle

I've looked at a few of the thread posts on here and the generic reply is that i need to update my bios. i did that and then like a week later(if that) it came back. Its not a constant thing, and it does not happen on a timer(the actual like 0.15 second Micro stutter) i don't think its software related (I'm very conservative with what i install onto my computer because I'm anal with what gets access to my hardware. Steam, 4 games, IntelliJ, and some other SDK's for stuff i do. and it seems to always happen in games or programs where I'm doing. But its not consistent. in a 4 hour game, i can have it happen anywhere from 0 - 10 times making of breaking my game experience

What I've tried:

• Upgraded Bios
• Removed other software
• removed all unneeded windows Startup Services
• With winaero tweaker, Crippled all of windows background things
• Disabled all windows telemetry (winaero as well)
• updated nvidia drivers
• latest windows 11 as of whenever this message is (i just don't feel like typing the 8 character update)
• and more thats not coming to mind as i'm writing this
• I bought a TPM module for my mobo and it should be here today, though i doubt its going to fix thhhhhessue

I Literally never come to forums because i can usually fix these kinds of issues by slamming my face against the problem for at least 4 hours, and a coffee later. But this. This is something that i don't know what to do and it has been enough time, and enough pain, and enough googling "amd tpm stutter after update" and literally getting articles that are just catfishing for clicks to just repeat the same thing 6 other sites have as they are all mostly copy paste anyway- And come here. This has been happening for at least a year but the frequency changes from hours, to seconds, crippling my capability to type a message: withooooooo it llllloking like thissssssss. I easilly needed to correct the spelling on my message here 10+ times while writing because mid hitch id press a key, and it just gets spammed.

Hopefully some of you / someone can grace me with some insight on my issue, i really appreciate it. Thanks if you read this far, and sorry for the word vomit
Similar Threads I've noticed here:
https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/new-high-end-pc-infrequent-but-annoying-stutter.3776343/
and a few others but this is probably as accurate as i can get


Tried from this forum:

• Power setting
• Registry tweaks (wise Cleaner)
• DDU
• Reinstalling JUST windows (keep my files)
• Toggling DOCP
• Underclocking Memory 3600 -> 3200
• Setting the clocks in the bios from Tu1 -> tu2 to Auto

I have 5800x ,rog strix x570 E and 3080. I had updated bios to the latest and downloaded latest chipset drivers from amd site. But still the issue was there. So after doing all the troubleshooting. I was able to fix mine by installing the latest bios again and after updating I took out cmos battery and plugged it back. This has fixed the issue for me. My bios settings are on default and just d.o.c.p is enabled for ram.