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Thank you Andrew Plotkin, by the way, for the early Christmas present. 🙂

I haven't quite gotten to the endgame that others have asked about... my
questions involve two of the masks, the Orrery, the area behind the iron
lock and a tricky area to reach in the cistern.

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How do I get the blue mask (resting on the machine in the Orrery)?

How do I get the green mask (across the river in the caverns)?

How can I reach the cord in the Orrery that dangles just out of reach?

How can I get to the end of the iron tunnel?

How can I get the gauze that's on the brass grate at the far end of the
glass catwalk?
 
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In article <KJGdnVgTQ5t56yXcRVn-rw@adelphia.com>,
Dave <mityjack2@adelphia.net> wrote:
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>Thank you Andrew Plotkin, by the way, for the early Christmas present. 🙂
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>I haven't quite gotten to the endgame that others have asked about... my
>questions involve two of the masks, the Orrery, the area behind the iron
>lock and a tricky area to reach in the cistern.
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>How do I get the blue mask (resting on the machine in the Orrery)?

From your other question, you've already done part of it. Consider
(or re-consider) the geometry of the machine and the solution should
become apparent.

>How can I reach the cord in the Orrery that dangles just out of reach?

I was only able to do this in expert mode (bug? Error on my part?)

>How can I get the gauze that's on the brass grate at the far end of the
>glass catwalk?

Oh, so there IS another clue for that puzzle! (this is not a
hint, at least not for your question)
 
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One of your answers reminded me that I neglected to mention that I'm playing
Dreamhold on expert mode, in case that makes a difference for the puzzles
I'm stuck on at the moment.


"Matthew Russotto" <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
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> In article <KJGdnVgTQ5t56yXcRVn-rw@adelphia.com>,
> Dave <mityjack2@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >
> >Thank you Andrew Plotkin, by the way, for the early Christmas present.
🙂
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> >I haven't quite gotten to the endgame that others have asked about... my
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> >lock and a tricky area to reach in the cistern.
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> >How can I reach the cord in the Orrery that dangles just out of reach?
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> I was only able to do this in expert mode (bug? Error on my part?)
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> >How can I get the gauze that's on the brass grate at the far end of the
> >glass catwalk?
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> Oh, so there IS another clue for that puzzle! (this is not a
> hint, at least not for your question)
 
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I could get it in non-expert mode.

Hard to give a clue though. You can't get it while hanging from
the ring, but hanging from the ring will help you get to a place
from where you can get the cord. Or something.

Stephen.
 
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Dave wrote:
> Thank you Andrew Plotkin, by the way, for the early Christmas
present. 🙂
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> I haven't quite gotten to the endgame that others have asked about...
my
> questions involve two of the masks, the Orrery, the area behind the
iron
> lock and a tricky area to reach in the cistern.
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> How do I get the blue mask (resting on the machine in the Orrery)?

Gotta go up before you can go down.

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> How do I get the green mask (across the river in the caverns)?

Think freezing.

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> How can I reach the cord in the Orrery that dangles just out of
reach?

Gotta go down before you can go up again, having gone up already.

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> How can I get to the end of the iron tunnel?

You need to do other stuff; when you've done it, this becomes clear.

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> How can I get the gauze that's on the brass grate at the far end of
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> glass catwalk?

You don't need it.

Mine:

-- I think I need a lead key. Where?

-- I think I need something to wrap around my arm. Where?

My thanks also to Andrew Plotkin; I think it is just right for it's
intended purpose, and a bunch of fun to play. Just one suggestion FWIW:
Maybe the back story could be fleshed out a little with some further
discoveries or whatever. I had to do trial & error on the mask
sequence, more than I think should have had to.

Very subjective, but I found some of the writing maybe just a tad
overwrought. In particular: "A dreamhold is more than merely
dangerous." What does it mean?
 
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In article <1102775131.295584.77380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
<jurisper@hushmail.com> wrote:
>Very subjective, but I found some of the writing maybe just a tad
>overwrought. In particular: "A dreamhold is more than merely
>dangerous."

Funny - I found that sentence (and most of the writing) to be
understated rather than overwrought. (Not trying to dispute a point
of taste, really, just reacting to your choice of words).

>What does it mean?

My interpretation: a dreamhold is not just what you'd normally
call "dangerous", it's so weird and *dangerous* that just calling it
"dangerous" trivializes it. Sort of like calling an extremely beautiful
painting "pretty" would trivialize it, or saying that Mahler's 8th
symphony "has a lot of catchy tunes" trivializes it.

--
Magnus Olsson (mol@df.lth.se)
PGP Public Key available at http://www.df.lth.se/~mol
 
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"Magnus Olsson" <mol@df.lth.se> wrote in message
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> In article <1102775131.295584.77380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
> <jurisper@hushmail.com> wrote:
> >Very subjective, but I found some of the writing maybe just a tad
> >overwrought. In particular: "A dreamhold is more than merely
> >dangerous."
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> Funny - I found that sentence (and most of the writing) to be
> understated rather than overwrought. (Not trying to dispute a point
> of taste, really, just reacting to your choice of words).
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> >What does it mean?
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> My interpretation: a dreamhold is not just what you'd normally
> call "dangerous", it's so weird and *dangerous* that just calling it
> "dangerous" trivializes it. Sort of like calling an extremely beautiful
> painting "pretty" would trivialize it, or saying that Mahler's 8th
> symphony "has a lot of catchy tunes" trivializes it.

My interpretation: there is danger, but there is more here than just danger.
There are also rewards to be had for people who brave the dangers and
succeed. To me, this interpretation explains why the PC finds himself
unafraid when he realizes that he is in a dreamhold.
 
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<jurisper@hushmail.com> wrote in message
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> Dave wrote:
> > Thank you Andrew Plotkin, by the way, for the early Christmas
> present. 🙂
> >
> > I haven't quite gotten to the endgame that others have asked about...
> my
> > questions involve two of the masks, the Orrery, the area behind the
> iron
> > lock and a tricky area to reach in the cistern.
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> > How can I reach the cord in the Orrery that dangles just out of
> reach?
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> Gotta go down before you can go up again, having gone up already.

Thanks to the helpful hinting, I've got the blue and green masks now. But
the cord is still eluding me. It sounds as though I need to get to the blue
globe as a stepping stone to get to the hanging cord, but nothing that I've
tried from there so far has gotten me where I want to go. The green globe
evades me every time, and picking up the tan globe again when it passes
below the blue globe doesn't seem to help either. I need a little more
prodding for this one...

Also, I was hoping that obtaining all seven masks would lead to enough of my
memory coming back together that I'd know what I need to do next to move the
story along, but that didn't happen. Unless there's a plot point waiting
for me on that elusive cord, it looks like I'll be stuck not knowing what to
do next. Can anyone give a gentle hint towards what my next goal should be
once I have the seven masks?

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> > How can I get to the end of the iron tunnel?
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> You need to do other stuff; when you've done it, this becomes clear.
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> > How can I get the gauze that's on the brass grate at the far end of
> the
> > glass catwalk?
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> You don't need it.
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> Mine:
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> -- I think I need a lead key. Where?
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> -- I think I need something to wrap around my arm. Where?
>
> My thanks also to Andrew Plotkin; I think it is just right for it's
> intended purpose, and a bunch of fun to play. Just one suggestion FWIW:
> Maybe the back story could be fleshed out a little with some further
> discoveries or whatever. I had to do trial & error on the mask
> sequence, more than I think should have had to.
>
> Very subjective, but I found some of the writing maybe just a tad
> overwrought. In particular: "A dreamhold is more than merely
> dangerous." What does it mean?
>
 
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"Dave" <mityjack2@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> Also, I was hoping that obtaining all seven masks would lead to
> enough of my
> memory coming back together that I'd know what I need to do next
> to move the
> story along, but that didn't happen. Unless there's a plot point
> waiting
> for me on that elusive cord, it looks like I'll be stuck not
> knowing what to
> do next. Can anyone give a gentle hint towards what my next goal
> should be
> once I have the seven masks?

Perhaps a little reflection would help.

-- Eric
 
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In article <prOdnR1jaI4NMCbcRVn-qA@adelphia.com>,
Dave <mityjack2@adelphia.net> wrote:
>Thanks to the helpful hinting, I've got the blue and green masks now. But
>the cord is still eluding me. It sounds as though I need to get to the blue
>globe as a stepping stone to get to the hanging cord, but nothing that I've
>tried from there so far has gotten me where I want to go. The green globe
>evades me every time, and picking up the tan globe again when it passes
>below the blue globe doesn't seem to help either. I need a little more
>prodding for this one...

I'm also stuck at this precise point. Do I need something to grab the
green globe? Or is this the wrong idea?

Further spoilers...

I've seen three endings so far:
1) Dying in the pit
2) Restoring my memories by doing the right things with all the masks
and the fragment (bit of a disappointment, that one...)
3) Re-drawing the portal

I still have no idea about the following:

The birds in the mosaic.
The apple - is opening the cage a good idea?
The harp room - can I open the door, and can I do anything when the
room is transformed?
The arboretum - can I do anything in the jungle?
The lead door - is there a key?

--
Magnus Olsson (mol@df.lth.se)
PGP Public Key available at http://www.df.lth.se/~mol
 
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"Dave" <mityjack2@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> > Dave wrote:
> > > Thank you Andrew Plotkin, by the way, for the early Christmas
> > present. 🙂
> > >
> > > I haven't quite gotten to the endgame that others have asked about...
> > my
> > > questions involve two of the masks, the Orrery, the area behind the
> > iron
> > > lock and a tricky area to reach in the cistern.
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> > Gotta go up before you can go down.
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> > > How do I get the green mask (across the river in the caverns)?
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> > Think freezing.
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> > > How can I reach the cord in the Orrery that dangles just out of
> > reach?
> >
> > Gotta go down before you can go up again, having gone up already.
>
> Thanks to the helpful hinting, I've got the blue and green masks now. But
> the cord is still eluding me. It sounds as though I need to get to the
blue
> globe as a stepping stone to get to the hanging cord, but nothing that
I've
> tried from there so far has gotten me where I want to go. The green globe
> evades me every time, and picking up the tan globe again when it passes
> below the blue globe doesn't seem to help either. I need a little more
> prodding for this one...
>
> Also, I was hoping that obtaining all seven masks would lead to enough of
my
> memory coming back together that I'd know what I need to do next to move
the
> story along, but that didn't happen. Unless there's a plot point waiting
> for me on that elusive cord, it looks like I'll be stuck not knowing what
to
> do next. Can anyone give a gentle hint towards what my next goal should
be
> once I have the seven masks?

Yeah, I got stuck on the same two things. I have tried every possible thing
in the orrery sequence. It's a little frustrating that the game doesn't
allow "jump onto". As for the masks, I imagine you have to sit in the chair
and wear them all in the correct order. But the order that I guessed doesn't
seem to work, and I don't have time to try 6! combinations.

Andrew
 
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"Andrew Krywaniuk" <askrywan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> <jurisper@hushmail.com> wrote in message
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>> > Dave wrote:
>> > > Thank you Andrew Plotkin, by the way, for the early Christmas
>> > present. 🙂
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>> > > I haven't quite gotten to the endgame that others have asked
>> > > about...
>> > my
>> > > questions involve two of the masks, the Orrery, the area
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> Yeah, I got stuck on the same two things. I have tried every
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> the chair
> and wear them all in the correct order. But the order that I
> guessed doesn't
> seem to work, and I don't have time to try 6! combinations.

You're only half right about what you need to do with the masks, I
think.

I also missed whatever the clue was to the correct order, but it's
possible to work out what it is with a bit of experimentation in far
less than 6! attempts (though it did take me quite a few).
Admittedly I had had a bit of a nudge from some of the other hints
posted round here, though, so that probably helped shorten the
process a bit.

-- Eric
 
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I think it's the right idea (at least, that's how I got the cord in
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> The apple - is opening the cage a good idea?

I suspect the main purpose of the apple in the cage is to teach
new users about >UNDO.

> The harp room - can I open the door, and can I do anything when the
> room is transformed?
> The arboretum - can I do anything in the jungle?
> The lead door - is there a key?

These appear to be red herrings to me, though they might have
some symbolic significance. I also haven't found any use for the
black and white crumpled paper.

Stephen.
 
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In article <322k3bF3hm899U1@individual.net>,
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>Dave <mityjack2@adelphia.net> wrote:
>I'm also stuck at this precise point. Do I need something to grab the
>green globe? Or is this the wrong idea?

In expert mode I was able to grab the green globe. In regular mode I
was not. I tried with and without the glove, in case that mattered.
 
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In article <1102860368.227195@seven.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be>,
Stephen Bond <stephen@NOSPAMkuleuven.ac.be> wrote:
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>non-Expert mode). You can get to the green globe using the power of
>gravity.

I've tried that - going down at the right moment when I'm hanging from
the tan moon gets me to the blue globe, but going down from the blue
globe only dumps me on the floor.

So I suppose either my timing's off or I'm missing something else.
Anyway, I'm still stuck.

--
Magnus Olsson (mol@df.lth.se)
PGP Public Key available at http://www.df.lth.se/~mol
 
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Magnus Olsson wrote:
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> My interpretation: a dreamhold is not just what you'd normally
> call "dangerous", it's so weird and *dangerous* that just calling it
> "dangerous" trivializes it. Sort of like calling an extremely
beautiful
> painting "pretty" would trivialize it, or saying that Mahler's 8th
> symphony "has a lot of catchy tunes" trivializes it.
>

I guess that's what it's supposed to mean, but it doesn't work: as far
as I can see, the dreamhold isn't dangerous at all. Apart from that,
the "not merely dangerous" construction seems to me to be just lazy. If
the intention is something like "dangerous, of course, but more
importantly, X" then (for me) it just leaves "X" hanging in a nebulous
cloud of Lovecraftian puffery.

Better, IMO, just to leave it out & let the action generate the mood.
And if there isn't actually any particular danger, then don't try to
force the mood to suggest that there might be.
 
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Eric Eve wrote:
>I also missed whatever the clue was to the correct order, but it's
>possible to work out what it is with a bit of experimentation in far
>less than 6! attempts (though it did take me quite a few).
>Admittedly I had had a bit of a nudge from some of the other hints
>posted round here, though, so that probably helped shorten the
>process a bit.

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Jason Dyer
jdyer41@aol.com
 
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Magnus Olsson wrote:
> In article <1102860368.227195@seven.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be>,
> Stephen Bond <stephen@NOSPAMkuleuven.ac.be> wrote:
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>>>I'm also stuck at this precise point. Do I need something to grab the
>>>green globe? Or is this the wrong idea?
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>>I think it's the right idea (at least, that's how I got the cord in
>>non-Expert mode). You can get to the green globe using the power of
>>gravity.
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> I've tried that - going down at the right moment when I'm hanging from
> the tan moon gets me to the blue globe, but going down from the blue
> globe only dumps me on the floor.
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> So I suppose either my timing's off or I'm missing something else.
> Anyway, I'm still stuck.

Are you sure the green globe is directly underneath the blue globe?
>DOWN (or >GET GREEN) works for me when I get this message:

"The silver wheel spins past the highest point of the brass disk,
directly above you. The copper wheel, opposite it, is directly below.
The green globe, carried on the copper wheel's rotation, is swinging
past you."

It's possible that this puzzle is different in expert mode, though.

Stephen.
 
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"Stephen Bond" <stephen@NOSPAMkuleuven.ac.be> wrote in message
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> Magnus Olsson wrote:
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> new users about >UNDO.

I think this would have been a good opportunity to teach them about
>WINNABLE as well...

> > The arboretum - can I do anything in the jungle?

In expert mode, you can pick up a key. I don't know about tutorial mode.

Now I get the impression that all the things that appear to be red herrings
in expert mode (apple, birds, harp, etc) may have a purpose in tutorial
mode.

Andrew
 
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"Eric Eve" <eric.eve@NOSPAMhmc.ox.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:cphhg0$hrl$1@news.ox.ac.uk...
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> "Andrew Krywaniuk" <askrywan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > "Dave" <mityjack2@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> >> <jurisper@hushmail.com> wrote in message
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> >> > Dave wrote:
> >> > > Thank you Andrew Plotkin, by the way, for the early Christmas
> >> > present. 🙂
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> >> > > I haven't quite gotten to the endgame that others have asked
> >> > > about...
> >> > my
> >> > > questions involve two of the masks, the Orrery, the area
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> > allow "jump onto". As for the masks, I imagine you have to sit in
> > the chair
> > and wear them all in the correct order. But the order that I
> > guessed doesn't
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> You're only half right about what you need to do with the masks, I
> think.
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> I also missed whatever the clue was to the correct order, but it's
> possible to work out what it is with a bit of experimentation in far
> less than 6! attempts (though it did take me quite a few).

Well, that clue about being half right was enough to get it for me. Once I
put the masks in the right place, 6! tries is obviously not necessary. It
actually only took me 2 tries, since I only guessed 1 mask wrong the first
time.

So now I've seen at least 2 endings. Also, one time the harp room changed
into something else, but I still haven't figured out the trigger condition
(or anything useful to do in the changed room). Still no success in trying
to pull the cord, and I haven't figured out anything useful to do in "west
catwalk; ethreal".

Andrew
 
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In article <20041212113718.07662.00001776@mb-m01.aol.com>,
Jdyer41 <jdyer41@aol.com> wrote:
>Eric Eve wrote:
>>I also missed whatever the clue was to the correct order, but it's
>>possible to work out what it is with a bit of experimentation in far
>>less than 6! attempts (though it did take me quite a few).
>>Admittedly I had had a bit of a nudge from some of the other hints
>>posted round here, though, so that probably helped shorten the
>>process a bit.
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>I believe one intended solution is simply to put the memories in narrative
>order, from earliest memory to latest.

I had a bit of a problem with that, actually - to me, the narrative
order wasn't quite obvious, so I had to resort to some trial and
error.

>I solved the puzzle by realizing that a mask doesn't fit only if you've skipped
>that
>particular mask in the order. The actual order was pretty easy to puzzle out
>from there.

Yes - but the puzzle mechanics require undoing when you realize that a
mask doesn't fit, and if you haven't got an interpreter that supports
multiple undo you have to restore from a save file. That makes the
puzzle unnecessarily cruel for a game aimed at beginners, IMHO. Or
am I missing something?

--
Magnus Olsson (mol@df.lth.se)
PGP Public Key available at http://www.df.lth.se/~mol
 
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In article <1102868761.666169@seven.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be>,
Stephen Bond <stephen@NOSPAMkuleuven.ac.be> wrote:
>Magnus Olsson wrote:
>>>I think it's the right idea (at least, that's how I got the cord in
>>>non-Expert mode). You can get to the green globe using the power of
>>>gravity.
>>
>> I've tried that - going down at the right moment when I'm hanging from
>> the tan moon gets me to the blue globe, but going down from the blue
>> globe only dumps me on the floor.
>>
>> So I suppose either my timing's off or I'm missing something else.
>> Anyway, I'm still stuck.
>
>Are you sure the green globe is directly underneath the blue globe?
> >DOWN (or >GET GREEN) works for me when I get this message:
>
>"The silver wheel spins past the highest point of the brass disk,
>directly above you. The copper wheel, opposite it, is directly below.
>The green globe, carried on the copper wheel's rotation, is swinging
>past you."

OK, that worked. My timing was off - probably I tried when the copper
wheel was below me but the green globe wasn't.

Thanks!

--
Magnus Olsson (mol@df.lth.se)
PGP Public Key available at http://www.df.lth.se/~mol
 
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In article <v32vd.497270$%k.475682@pd7tw2no>,
Andrew Krywaniuk <askrywan@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > The arboretum - can I do anything in the jungle?
>
>In expert mode, you can pick up a key. I don't know about tutorial mode.

Well, the key is lying on the edge of the tub in tutorial mode as
well, but I meant if I can do anything in the jungle that the room
transforms into.

Has anybody been able to find a key to the lead door, by the way?

I seem to need a few more things to be able to emulate the figure in
the mural - or is that also a red herring?

>Now I get the impression that all the things that appear to be red herrings
>in expert mode (apple, birds, harp, etc) may have a purpose in tutorial
>mode.

Really? I'm playing in tutorial mode and haven't found a purpose to
any of those things. Maybe I'm just being dense.




--
Magnus Olsson (mol@df.lth.se)
PGP Public Key available at http://www.df.lth.se/~mol
 
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Dave wrote:
> Stephen mentioned that he saw the correct color sequence
> someplace else in the game. I haven't seen it, at least I don't
think so,
> so I'm wondering where else this sequence appears.
>
> I'm also wondering where to find the dagger... I saw the hint about
this
> that Stephen received, but it didn't get me anywhere.

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Dagger: There's a little bit of guess-the-verb here. MOVE AWAY FROM
<something> doesn't work ...
 
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"Magnus Olsson" <mol@df.lth.se> wrote in message
news:3242rbF3fo4l7U2@individual.net...
> In article <v32vd.497270$%k.475682@pd7tw2no>,
> Andrew Krywaniuk <askrywan@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > The arboretum - can I do anything in the jungle?
> >
> >In expert mode, you can pick up a key. I don't know about tutorial mode.
>
> Well, the key is lying on the edge of the tub in tutorial mode as
> well, but I meant if I can do anything in the jungle that the room
> transforms into.

In expert mode, the key is in the jungle, not in the pot.

> Has anybody been able to find a key to the lead door, by the way?

Doesn't seem like it.

> I seem to need a few more things to be able to emulate the figure in
> the mural - or is that also a red herring?

Which mural... You mean the mosaic?

> >Now I get the impression that all the things that appear to be red
herrings
> >in expert mode (apple, birds, harp, etc) may have a purpose in tutorial
> >mode.
>
> Really? I'm playing in tutorial mode and haven't found a purpose to
> any of those things. Maybe I'm just being dense.

I mean that maybe they just have a purpose in the tutorial. Like the apple
helps the tutorial voice explain the undo command.

I have now succeeded in getting the strip in both tutorial mode and expert
mode using the technique mentioned elsewhere in this thread. I don't really
understand what the pattern is... sometimes it works and sometimes it
doesn't. I swear I should have found this by myself, since I tried typing
"d, undo, z" in a loop for about 20-30 iterations last night. The belt
didn't help anyway. I thought it would let me enter the tan moon, but it
didn't.

Andrew

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> --
> Magnus Olsson (mol@df.lth.se)
> PGP Public Key available at http://www.df.lth.se/~mol
 
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