U realize that EVEN DOOM 3 is just a SUPER-heavily modded quake 3 engine?
I never heard of that and would appreciate any official or respectable sources denoting that, proving your claim.
Same damn core, they keep building off of it.
So is Unreal. U2 or UT2003 are both based on it. You just touted U2's engine. What's your point really?
HL2 supports surround sound too.
Great, but I guarantee you it won't be as exploited as the 5.1 in D3. It's been said tons of times in fact, and it is plain obvious with how the environment is set in D3. While HL2 will also have such gameplay, it comes NOWHERE near the creepy env. of D3. Remember how DOOM games were creepy? Can any other game tie that?
It's the same thing in DOOM III.
it does look very much like quake 3, only better.
I did not feel any Quake 3 engine in there. I've played many Q3 engine games and all of them have traces that show Q3 in there (such as the walking, the weapon switching sounds and animations, the menus). Furthermore a look on the net has revealed that your statement still has absolutely no proof. Prove me.
There is more use of PS 2.0 and HDR in HL2...
I can't counter nor disagree. That's to be left to those who know each game's components. You don't know whether D3 uses a little or lot of PS2.0. Neither do I. So this is a moot point.
I think HL2 will look much better, esp. with the addition of more normal maps and stuff after the release.
The DOOM III engine will be distributed as well, it will also improve. Look at both sides before making a conclusion!
They've been working on it for years
HL2 has been since HL, so that makes it what, like 5 years now?
Doom 3 is becoming overrated.
I feel that occasionally too, but when I think of the dark corridor feel it will have, I get motivated again anytime. I am looking for those games that are made to make me fear touching my mouse and keyboard, fearing moving around and getting stuff directed at me outta nowhere. I predict HL 2 will do so a lot, however Doom III, with the base idea of scare, will do more.
They better have a game thats actually FUN
I believe gameplay elements won't come in the form of personal soldier features like some FPS games have, such as Deus Ex, but rather the env. interaction.
I know and agree. Very underrated game & graphics.
And it has surround sound too.
Didn't feel it that much. Most games support it, but don't use it anywhere near what the Doom III devs will do. They got Trent Reznor man, and if the articles speak right, this guy will make you chill.
Going back to a previous statement. Why do you base your judgement on an Alpha? Had it never leaked, I bet you would've been hyped a lot. The Alpha has little sound effects, little surround, no music and bugs everywhere. No one should base their opinion on that version, ever. I could right now go on 3DS Max, create a room, add textures, give you a caracter with a gun, set some lighting, add some sounds, no music. That's the Alpha. Can you really judge my game on that single little example I rendered in 3dS Max that someone stole off my drive?
And HL2 will beat the socks off Doom 3 when it comes to game-play.
I don't think neither of us is in a position to say that. HL2 will likely rock in gameplay for the adventure feel, the quest.
Doom III's gameplay will rock because it will create a new standard for realism and immersion, making it THE spooky-game poster-child.
You've got a real kick-ass story line there,
While I never did the adventure, I followed it closely when my bro played it. Yes it is a great game. Dunno about storyline man. There isn't much storyline, it's mostly a "go find your way" game. You want storyline, play Deus Ex. With all due respect, HL is far from a storyline-driven game.
Not so with Doom 3 (some bump-mapping but less extensive).
Dude, DOOM III is based on bump-mapping simulated polygons for extra bumps and realism. Almost every wall is! Haven't you read the Carmack notes?
In conclusion, you had a lot of wrong points. But you had good ones too. I do think you're coming from bias due to your HL experience. That only prevents you from being entirely neutral. Both games will usher a new era of gaming and will set the bar up. Doom III is extremely hyped sadly, but I shut myself up to those a-hole hypers. I know it will be good, but I don't say to myself: "OMG OMG OMG I CAN'T WAIT". I know I will like it, I've always enjoyed Doom-style gaming, however I don't wait each day scratching a day off my calendar saying: "One step closer...".
Everyone should be neutral and reject hype. Don't let it get to you anyways.
I can't wait for both, but I will likely not get HL2 so quickly, nor D3, as it depends on college freetime. I think I might get HL2 during my one-month Xmas break. Will make it plenty fun. Sadly I won't be upgrading any soon my video card. I'll have to play these games on mediocre settings until I work next year for some real cash, to upgrade. Prescott with a "real spankin'" DX9 card (likely the next ATis) should do it!
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