Honest Question

[kev]

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Theer was like 2..maybe 3 models that didn't have analog access...Kinda
makes my point though...The fact that Sprint and Verizon allow analog access
along with their own (again superior, can't believe THAT point is even
challanged) coverage, makes them more reliable for coverage than gsm could
ever hope. Period.
"Robert M." <rmarkoff@msn.com> wrote in message
news:rmarkoff-7C7436.10434208042004@news6.west.earthlink.net...
> In article <20040408110247.04031.00000010@mb-m01.aol.com>,
> sexyexotiche@aol.comspamfree (John S.) wrote:
>
> > >Verizon is now selling phones without analog AMPS.
> >
> > They (and Sprint PCS) always has sold phones without AMPS.
>
> 90% of each of their phones models and absolute numbers are sold with
> Amps. I cant even recall a SprintPCS phone other than the Treo 600
> without amps.

 

[Joseph]

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On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 18:20:52 -0400, "Kev" <Axekick@comcast.net> wrote:

>Theer was like 2..maybe 3 models that didn't have analog access...Kinda
>makes my point though...The fact that Sprint and Verizon allow analog access
>along with their own (again superior, can't believe THAT point is even
>challanged) coverage, makes them more reliable for coverage than gsm could
>ever hope. Period.

Not unless analog AMPS backup is in the picture.

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[kev]

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Awesome feedback from everyone! More posts coming?

"Kev" <Axekick@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I'm going to try not to be a troll here, I swear...
> I'd like to hear some feedback as to why you all chose Cingular over
> services that have either a (proven) much larger network, (Verizon
> Wireless), or a service that basically wrote the book (in the US at least)
> on having the most advanced and data capable handsets on the market
(Sprint
> PCS)?
>
> By the way, where did you make your purchase? Has anyone noticed that the
> largest wireless phone retailer in the US (and has been since wireless
came
> about) carries prodominently Sprint PCS and Verizon? Wouldn't people
take
> advice from them rather than some no name booth in a mall somewhere?
>
> Try not to flame me too much! I'm honestly just trying to start a
topic.
>
>

 

[Guest]

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In article <WeudnVlJDLWQverdRVn-sQ@comcast.com>,
"Kev" <Axekick@comcast.net> wrote:

> "> There is no FREE TRIAL period. There is a trial period for the phone,
> > but between activation and useage charges, your trial period in mosts
> > cases ending up costing ~$100."
>
> This is not the case at all....again, my local Radioshack offers a
> choice of Sprint PCS and Verizon Wireless. SprintPCS offers what they call
> their "Coverage Challange".

and the URL for this is where? Its not anywhere on the Sprint or
RadioShack web site or anywhere that Google knows about.

 

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"Robert M." <rmarkoff@msn.com> wrote in message
news:rmarkoff-96AD89.17232309042004@news6.west.earthlink.net...
> In article <WeudnVlJDLWQverdRVn-sQ@comcast.com>,
> "Kev" <Axekick@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > "> There is no FREE TRIAL period. There is a trial period for the phone,
> > > but between activation and useage charges, your trial period in mosts
> > > cases ending up costing ~$100."
> >
> > This is not the case at all....again, my local Radioshack offers a
> > choice of Sprint PCS and Verizon Wireless. SprintPCS offers what they
call
> > their "Coverage Challange".
>
> and the URL for this is where? Its not anywhere on the Sprint or
> RadioShack web site or anywhere that Google knows about.

Why does there have to be a URL? Ever heard of local promotions?

 

[Guest]

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Scott Stephenson wrote:

> Why does there have to be a URL? Ever heard of local promotions?

Philipe, Robert M., Cell Merger, et all...must be doing a Google
search with his apologist filter turned on, thus preventing him
from finding anything good about Sprint.

 

[kev]

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> and the URL for this is where? Its not anywhere on the Sprint or
> RadioShack web site or anywhere that Google knows about.

Do you have a car? Drive to RS, or if you actually have a Sprint corporate
store in your neighborhood, drive there, and ask.... Better yet, try one
out! Get one of the phones with Ready Link (sprints version of nextels
walkie talkie) really cool feature...don't worry though, Cingular will
probably get it eventually!

 

[kev]

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Right, that's kinda what we're saying..cause it is in the picture on both
services...Must be nice, huh?

> Not unless analog AMPS backup is in the picture.
>
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My local RS store was a Cingular dealer a few years ago. They told me they
switched to Sprint because the corp struck a more lucrative deal with
Sprint. Nothing to do with superior technology -- just a better financial
arrangement. That's how business is usually conducted in this country.

Also, when I go into an RS store to make a purchase, I am usually served by
young fellas that know basically nothing about the technology other than the
features they have been trained to sell. Because I have been an EE for
nearly 30 years and know a lot about various technologies, I get a kick when
I patiently listen to them try to sell me on technology they know nearly
nothing about. I don't fault them. They are salespeople and not trained to
know the underlying technologies.

My point is, that despite 70 years having been a retailer of consumer
electronics, RS is still simply a retailer just like the kiosks, corporate
stores, etc. As anybody who frequents this group knows all too well, last
year's technology is obsolete today. So longevity in retail electronics
sales is not necessarily related to some advanced insight into most superior
technology. If they had selected the best technology, they would have sold
Betamax VCR's instead of VHS. VHS offered a better value proposition. So
it won out in the marketplace, including RS's stores.

My opinion is that, in the good ole' USof A, neither Sprint/Verizon's
technology choice nor AWE/Cingular/Tmobile's choice have gained a clear
marketable advantage. Both technologies work good enough. In terms of
worldwide acceptance, GSM has a much larger foothold. I saw some recent
announcements where one or both of the CDMA carriers (Verizon/Sprint) are
going to offer phones that are GSM capable. Could this be a sign that the
gobal marketplace pull is to great to ignore (forget the arguments about
which is the superior technology)?

"Kev" <Axekick@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ceGdnV6WsY3JIend4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> I'm going to try not to be a troll here, I swear...
> I'd like to hear some feedback as to why you all chose Cingular over
> services that have either a (proven) much larger network, (Verizon
> Wireless), or a service that basically wrote the book (in the US at least)
> on having the most advanced and data capable handsets on the market
(Sprint
> PCS)?
>
> By the way, where did you make your purchase? Has anyone noticed that the
> largest wireless phone retailer in the US (and has been since wireless
came
> about) carries prodominently Sprint PCS and Verizon? Wouldn't people
take
> advice from them rather than some no name booth in a mall somewhere?
>
> Try not to flame me too much! I'm honestly just trying to start a
topic.
>
>

 

[Joseph]

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On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 09:09:43 -0400, "Kev" <Axekick@comcast.net> wrote:

>Right, that's kinda what we're saying..cause it is in the picture on both
>services...Must be nice, huh?
>
>> Not unless analog AMPS backup is in the picture.

There are new phones being sold that do not have AMPS backup. All GSM
phones except the GAIT models.
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In article <_r_dc.8066$6C1.6920@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>,
"cledus" <cleadus@swbell.net> wrote:

> My local RS store was a Cingular dealer a few years ago. They told me they
> switched to Sprint because the corp struck a more lucrative deal with
> Sprint. Nothing to do with superior technology -- just a better financial
> arrangement. That's how business is usually conducted in this country.
>
> Also, when I go into an RS store to make a purchase, I am usually served by
> young fellas that know basically nothing about the technology other than the
> features they have been trained to sell. Because I have been an EE for
> nearly 30 years and know a lot about various technologies, I get a kick when
> I patiently listen to them try to sell me on technology they know nearly
> nothing about. I don't fault them. They are salespeople and not trained to
> know the underlying technologies.

Reminds me of Radio Shacks' former venture: Computer City: if you asked
a legitimate question like: "I was looking for a low priced laser
printer, Is this Ricoh LED printer any good?"

You'd get the full scope of training: One Sentence:

"Well, we sell a lot of them".

 

[kev]

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"Robert M." <rmarkoff@msn.com> wrote in message
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> In article <_r_dc.8066$6C1.6920@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>,
> "cledus" <cleadus@swbell.net> wrote:
>

> You'd get the full scope of training: One Sentence:
>
> "Well, we sell a lot of them".

Not the best example of a great salesman, but a great example of a good
salesman. He doesn't make money by telling you dorky techy stuff that 99%
of shoppers wouldn't understand...he makes money by putting one on your
charge card. Any place that teaches you about technology and teaches you
how to operate everthing you buy, should charge for that...just like "EE"
schools do....

 

[Guest]

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In article <_r_dc.8066$6C1.6920@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>,
"cledus" <cleadus@swbell.net> wrote:

> I saw some recent
> announcements where one or both of the CDMA carriers (Verizon/Sprint) are
> going to offer phones that are GSM capable. Could this be a sign that the
> gobal marketplace pull is to great to ignore (forget the arguments about
> which is the superior technology)?

Verizon is planning to do it as its British partner (Vodaphone) that
owns 45% of Verizon Wireless is a GSM provider in the rest of the world,
and would like for a Verizon Wireless phone that would work in Europe.

 

[Guest]

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In article <oPOdnevP8-_GA-XdRVn-gQ@comcast.com>,
"Kev" <Axekick@comcast.net> wrote:

> "Robert M." <rmarkoff@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:rmarkoff-48B1B9.18252310042004@news6.west.earthlink.net...
> > In article <_r_dc.8066$6C1.6920@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>,
> > "cledus" <cleadus@swbell.net> wrote:
> >
>
> > You'd get the full scope of training: One Sentence:
> >
> > "Well, we sell a lot of them".
>
> Not the best example of a great salesman, but a great example of a good
> salesman. He doesn't make money by telling you dorky techy stuff that 99%
> of shoppers wouldn't understand...he makes money by putting one on your
> charge card. Any place that teaches you about technology and teaches you
> how to operate everthing you buy, should charge for that...just like "EE"
> schools do....

Except at Computer City, what they had in stock would widely vary from
week to week. I considered it a high-end remainder store. So what the
salesman would be touting would simmilarly vary from week to week, and
it amazes me that folks would ask a salesperson who as you say is not
trained for a recommendation on their purchase. Salesman will always
recommend

1: What is spiffed versus what is not spiffed.

2: What is in stock versus what they are temporarily out of.

3. The most expensive model they can talk you into.

and Radio Shack is no exception. Anyone who buys batteries there anymore
when they are far cheaper at a Walgreens is throwing money away.

 

[Guest]

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>They told me they
>switched to Sprint because the corp struck a more lucrative deal with
>Sprint. Nothing to do with superior technology

No one but the un-informed said that it was because of superior technology
(although CDMA is a better technology) except the uninformed that were trying
to make a case for - "If Radio Shack sells it is has to be good!" which of
course isn't necessarily true.

--
John S.
e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net

 

[Guest]

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sexyexotiche@aol.comspamfree (John S.) wrote in message news:<20040411105855.12703.00000116@mb-m24.aol.com>...
> >They told me they
> >switched to Sprint because the corp struck a more lucrative deal with
> >Sprint. Nothing to do with superior technology
>
> No one but the un-informed said that it was because of superior technology
> (although CDMA is a better technology) except the uninformed that were trying
> to make a case for - "If Radio Shack sells it is has to be good!" which of
> course isn't necessarily true.

But, in this case, the OP was making exactly that point- if the
largest retailer of phones (RadioShack) sells it, it must, by
definition, be the best.

Using that logic, McDonald's sells the country's "best" food... ;-)

 

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"Kev" <Axekick@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Theer was like 2..maybe 3 models that didn't have analog access...Kinda
> makes my point though...

Not really- Sprint has NO native analog territory. They only have as good a
"nationwide" coverage map as they do because of their roaming partners,
namely Verizon. Which begs the obvious question (that you avoided when I
asked it in another thread) why should anyone choose Sprint rather than just
cut out the middleman and take Verizon? Sprint doesn't have "better"
coverage than VZW- since much of their coverage outside of major metro areas
IS actually Verizon, and they don't have "superior technology"- since they
use the same voice and data technology as Verizon (CDMA). Why do you
consistantly lump the two of them together when you ask these fairly
trolling questions? (Other than the fact that YOU use Sprint, but need to
use the perceived strength of Verizon's network to bolster your arguments!)

> The fact that Sprint and Verizon allow analog access
> along with their own (again superior, can't believe THAT point is even
> challanged)

Believe it. Just because some actor dressed as a geek stands in soundstage
mocked up like a swamp and barks "Can you hear me now" into a prop phone
doesn't make Verizon's coverage "superior". Sure, Verizon has the largest
native US coverage in square miles, but that doesn't necessarily mean that
each market area they operate in has superior coverage to all other carriers
in THAT market. The last two places I've lived, (by coincidence, I'm sure)
Lake Lotawana, MO (a Kansas City suburb) and Ken Carly, CO (a subburb of
Denver) had little or no Verizon coverage. Purely anecdotally (for me)
Verizon has the worst coverage! Let's just say Verizon won't be shooting
any commercials in my subdivision anytime soon.

> ...coverage, makes them more reliable for coverage than gsm could
> ever hope. Period.

Ever here of GAIT? Cingular offers phones that are GSM, TDMA and analog,
with cheaper no-roam (regardless of whether you're on network or off) plans
than Verizon or Sprint. Given those points, the question posed in this
thread perhaps should be "why aren't YOU with Cingular?"

 

[Eric]

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rmarkoff@msn.com (Robert M.) wrote:
<<and Radio Shack is no exception. Anyone who buys batteries there
anymore when they are far cheaper at a Walgreens is throwing money away.
>>

Radio Shack is one of the biggest ripoff specialty stores around.