[HOT?] Temperature of Motherbord

[tomtom1298]

Hello,

I've recently installed 5 Case fan.s
3 Out. 2 in.
All 5 are controlled by MSI Command Center. But, currently. While running programs like Minecraft. My Motherboard easily reaches 80C/175+F. Is this a dangerouse temperature? My Fan's are around 75% automaticly by Command Center. But it's sooooo hot?...

And while non-gaming (Just YouTube, Skype, FB, Spotify, Etc.) It's between 60 and 70... Soon i'm installing a Liquid Cooler for my CPU. So he'll be out the Dangeriouse zone.
So my question. Is 80C Dangerous for a Mobo? And what's your Average temperature?

Also, my CPU sometimes reaches 90C. And then i'll get an alarm by MSi that it reached 90 Or higher.
Is this a dangerous temperature too?

My case is an Corsair 100R.
2x GTX 1070 Gaming X.
i7 4790K.
4x4 GB Ram.
Antec Tricool Fan's (4) and 1 Stock Corsair Fan.
I also installed 3 LED-Strips.

Here's a GIF of my MSI Command Center (Gyazo): > Click Here <

I've also been searching for anwsered forums. But they're all around 30C/40C. So i was like, nah. This ain't a gaming PC but just a regular Desktop then? And mine is kinda High-End
Thankyou for your help!

 

[mcnumpty23]

your cpu shouldnt hit 90c

if it does theres something not right with your cpu cooler

no idea about the motherboard temperatures since dont know where its reading 80c from--though 80c sounds high any way

 

[weberdarren97]

You didn't list your motherboard within system specs or your CPU cooler.

What is the make and model of your power supply?

Is the CPU overclocked?

 

[tomtom1298]

You didn't list your motherboard within system specs or your CPU cooler.

What is the make and model of your power supply?

Is the CPU overclocked?

Sorry
Motherboard: MSI Z97S Sli Krait Edition (Military Class 4)
PSU: CX750
Not Overclocked.

 

[tomtom1298]

Wait..........

I'm wrong. The high temperature i told about. was only for CPU. I thought this was the Mobo Temperature...

 

[JackNaylorPE]

1. FANS

Are those the only case fans ? Assuming they are ....

a) Your (2) intake fans are likely restricted by air inlet filters which will reduce their flow by up to a 1/3 if ya let them get dirty enough.....more is possible.

b) That means you could have say 1.67 fans worth of flow coming in and 3.00 worth of fans blowing out.

c) This results in a significant imbalance (negative) in air pressure which just about anyone will tell you is sucking in dust, What you most often won't hear is that along with that dust, it's pulling in a significant amount of heat. Air can come in thru any opening but the most common and largest opening is the rear case grille.

d) That rear case grille will be the pathway for intake air and along with dust hit exhaust air from your PSU and GFX card will be sucked in along with it.

e) Set up you fans so that you have 50% more fans blowing in than out.


MoBo Chipset

a) This is not uncommon but lower is much better and it's easily done. How depends on its location. What is happening is you have a "dead air" spot.

b) Some manfacurers have prredrilled holes on the back of the HD cage assemble so you can mount a fan blowing over the chipse (also works well for CLI / CF builds).

c) Another solution is the Antec "SpotCool" which is a fan on an nedable "neck"which you can direct to any "spot" you like.

http://www.antec.com/pdf/flyers/Spotcool80%20100_flyer_EN.pdf

d) You can also affix a heatsink to the chip which adds surface are increasing the effectiveness of the fan, don't forget to include an adhesive type TIM. Both available on sites like FrozenCPU.com

e) Adding a water cooler, especially a cheap CLC with aluminum radiator will only make this condition worse. Air coolers generally will move enough air inside the case to eliminate dead spots. I have a water block on my MoBo chipset, but if a waterblock was there, the air cooler would be blowing air right over it. Other than than, no other component in you build will have an impact on this issue.

 

[mcnumpty23]

Wait..........

I'm wrong. The high temperature i told about. was only for CPU. I thought this was the Mobo Temperature...

then guess you need to check your cpu cooler is correctly installed to begin with

 

[JackNaylorPE]

Wait..........

I'm wrong. The high temperature i told about. was only for CPU. I thought this was the Mobo Temperature...

Well that's a horse of a different color

You'll need a better cooler but even the stock cooler at stock speeds doesn't hit 90C. If you are looking for cool temperatures than CLC type water cooling will not get you there. For example, while the Corsair H100i CLC can get close to the Noctua NH-D15, the Corsair still comes up short by 2C, it's 25% more money and it's twelve time as loud.

 

[weberdarren97]

May I ask why we're still recommending the NH-D15 when it's more compatible little brother, the NH-D15S, is already out?

The original NH-D15 sometimes conflicts with RAM slots. Since he has all four slots populated, there's no open space on the slot closest to the socket. I can't guarantee the NH-D15 will not conflict with the RAM if said RAM has a tall heat spreader on it.

 

[tomtom1298]

So. Lot's of reactions i see .
Point is, i'm Dutch, so my English is kinda terrible. So i'm not sure if i get all thing like they meant to be. :O

But, i kinda fixed the 'High Motherboard Temp'. Because it was the CPU temp, not Mobo .
My Mobo Temp now (While running MineCraft in 4K Resolution, All Settings Max, 90+ Fps)
CPU Temp = +/- 76.
PSU Temp's are. +/- 64 & +/- 29 (Sli. But MineCraft Can't Sli...)
Mobo Temp: Idk which of the 4? (Screenshot: https://gyazo.com/881f27ad11e7e597c2761fee2f482e27 )

So. That kinda sounds OK. Right?

Now. Second thing. Just a Fun thing to have. Liquid Cooler. Which do you guys recommend? Budget around 80-150. Because my mom will get pissed i keep spending alot on my PC.
Already bought in a total 3500,- for the PC... (Including Oculus Rift, Touch & 4K Monitor)

Which dio you guys recommend?

 

[mcnumpty23]

if you are in the netherlands have a look on highflow.nl for watercooling

my choice would be swiftech which they should stock

or ek predator but dont know if they stock those

edit--and like most of my dutch friends funnily enough your english is far from terrible

 

[weberdarren97]

In all honesty, I'm a sucker for the aesthetics of an AiO liquid cooler, but I prefer air coolers because they can't leak fluids into your computer if something goes wrong with them.

Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 3, Noctua NH-D15S, Cryorig R1 Universal. Those would be my recommendations.

 

[weberdarren97]

All four of the readings in your image are motherboard temperatures. I don't have enough information to tell you where TZ00 and TZ01 are, but I'd bet SYSTIN is the chipset and TMPIN3 is probably the VRMs for the CPU (they're under the heatsink to the left of the socket).

Your motherboard temperatures are fine. MOSFETs (the part of the VRMs that require cooling) can withstand temperatures past 120C so you're good.

 

[tomtom1298]

All four of the readings in your image are motherboard temperatures. I don't have enough information to tell you where TZ00 and TZ01 are, but I'd bet SYSTIN is the chipset and TMPIN3 is probably the VRMs for the CPU (they're under the heatsink to the left of the socket).

Your motherboard temperatures are fine. MOSFETs (the part of the VRMs that require cooling) can withstand temperatures past 120C so you're good.

Asus MSI Christ. (Jesus Christ) 120C. I would die above the 60C Whaha.

 

[tomtom1298]

In all honesty, I'm a sucker for the aesthetics of an AiO liquid cooler, but I prefer air coolers because they can't leak fluids into your computer if something goes wrong with them.

Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 3, Noctua NH-D15S, Cryorig R1 Universal. Those would be my recommendations.

That Cryorig R1 Universal looks <3 to me!

 

[tomtom1298]

Next question. I've heard the Cryorig R1 Universal is +/- 1250g. Isn't this kinda heavy? Motherboards are strong i know, but 1250g? Because it's going to hang. My PC is not laying down. But just standing. Meaning that the Mobo is like this | and the CPU cooler attached to it would look like |> . and i'm scared that > is too heavy for | to hold. Meaning that > will break | and fall down.

Help? XD

 

[tomtom1298]

NO NO NO! WAIT. NEVERMIND! Let's go for the Be Quit! Dark Rock Pro 3. It's seriously quit.
So, same question. Can the weight hold it?

 

[mcnumpty23]

should be able to take the weight

though i certainly wouldnt want to be moving the pc around very much with that hanging on the motherboard

if going for a massive lump of metal hanging off my motherboard was my thing then the noctua NH-D15S would be my choice

much better ram clearance than a lot of those huge coolers

though wish noctua would ditch the whole brown fan idea

 

[weberdarren97]

If you do a Google search for mounting these large, heavy coolers, you'll see that they come with backplates that spread out the weight across the board so it's not all right at the socket. If this wasn't a thing, your fears would have some truth to them.

 

[weberdarren97]

should be able to take the weight

though i certainly wouldnt want to be moving the pc around very much with that hanging on the motherboard

if going for a massive lump of metal hanging off my motherboard was my thing then the noctua NH-D15S would be my choice

much better ram clearance than a lot of those huge coolers

though wish noctua would ditch the whole brown fan idea

The fan on the Dark Rock Pro 3 that overhangs the RAM is attached via clips that can slide up and down the heatsink. With a little adjustment, it'll clear any RAM. Even if it doesn't, it can be removed and the fan between the towers will still be plenty of airflow.

 

[mcnumpty23]

should be able to take the weight

though i certainly wouldnt want to be moving the pc around very much with that hanging on the motherboard

if going for a massive lump of metal hanging off my motherboard was my thing then the noctua NH-D15S would be my choice

much better ram clearance than a lot of those huge coolers

though wish noctua would ditch the whole brown fan idea

The fan on the Dark Rock Pro 3 that overhangs the RAM is attached via clips that can slide up and down the heatsink. With a little adjustment, it'll clear any RAM. Even if it doesn't, it can be removed and the fan between the towers will still be plenty of airflow.

thanks handy to know

but guess i will stick with my watercooling lol no clearance issues full stop or worrying if i have to ship the pc somewhere but watercooling is not for every one i know

 

[weberdarren97]

should be able to take the weight

though i certainly wouldnt want to be moving the pc around very much with that hanging on the motherboard

if going for a massive lump of metal hanging off my motherboard was my thing then the noctua NH-D15S would be my choice

much better ram clearance than a lot of those huge coolers

though wish noctua would ditch the whole brown fan idea

The fan on the Dark Rock Pro 3 that overhangs the RAM is attached via clips that can slide up and down the heatsink. With a little adjustment, it'll clear any RAM. Even if it doesn't, it can be removed and the fan between the towers will still be plenty of airflow.

thanks handy to know

but guess i will stick with my watercooling lol no clearance issues full stop or worrying if i have to ship the pc somewhere but watercooling is not for every one i know

Yes, but with the pump at the socket instead of a fan, the area around the socket is starved for airflow. I've lost count of how many users I've seen run into power delivery and/or stability issues at load because of this.

 

[mcnumpty23]

should be able to take the weight

though i certainly wouldnt want to be moving the pc around very much with that hanging on the motherboard

if going for a massive lump of metal hanging off my motherboard was my thing then the noctua NH-D15S would be my choice

much better ram clearance than a lot of those huge coolers

though wish noctua would ditch the whole brown fan idea

The fan on the Dark Rock Pro 3 that overhangs the RAM is attached via clips that can slide up and down the heatsink. With a little adjustment, it'll clear any RAM. Even if it doesn't, it can be removed and the fan between the towers will still be plenty of airflow.

thanks handy to know

but guess i will stick with my watercooling lol no clearance issues full stop or worrying if i have to ship the pc somewhere but watercooling is not for every one i know

Yes, but with the pump at the socket instead of a fan, the area around the socket is starved for airflow. I've lost count of how many users I've seen run into power delivery and/or stability issues at load because of this.

yes thats possible i dont have mine at the socket

only AIO i would even look at are swiftech and ek predator both have the pump at the radiator

and i have a full custom loop so again both pumps are away from the socket area

 

[weberdarren97]

should be able to take the weight

though i certainly wouldnt want to be moving the pc around very much with that hanging on the motherboard

if going for a massive lump of metal hanging off my motherboard was my thing then the noctua NH-D15S would be my choice

much better ram clearance than a lot of those huge coolers

though wish noctua would ditch the whole brown fan idea

The fan on the Dark Rock Pro 3 that overhangs the RAM is attached via clips that can slide up and down the heatsink. With a little adjustment, it'll clear any RAM. Even if it doesn't, it can be removed and the fan between the towers will still be plenty of airflow.

thanks handy to know

but guess i will stick with my watercooling lol no clearance issues full stop or worrying if i have to ship the pc somewhere but watercooling is not for every one i know

Yes, but with the pump at the socket instead of a fan, the area around the socket is starved for airflow. I've lost count of how many users I've seen run into power delivery and/or stability issues at load because of this.

yes thats possible i dont have mine at the socket

only AIO i would even look at are swiftech and ek predator both have the pump at the radiator

and i have a full custom loop so again both pumps are away from the socket area

Whether the pump is at the socket or on the rad or res doesn't really matter IMO. What matters is that there's no fan at the socket where an air cooler would be.

 

[JackNaylorPE]

May I ask why we're still recommending the NH-D15 when it's more compatible little brother, the NH-D15S, is already out?

The original NH-D15 sometimes conflicts with RAM slots. Since he has all four slots populated, there's no open space on the slot closest to the socket. I can't guarantee the NH-D15 will not conflict with the RAM if said RAM has a tall heat spreader on it.

Unless a user opts for RAM with those silly tall heat sinks, RAM will not be a problem. Those tall, toothy things only cooling function is to "look cool".

The D15S is essentially the D15 with one fan missing and isn't quite as tall. In essence it is just that .. and therefore does not perform as well as it's big brother.

When encountering the useless heat sinks on RAM, in most instances one can simply take the fan off the RAM side and move it to the other side.

The D15 provides:
http://noctua.at/media/catalog/product/n/h/nh_d15_clearance_2016.png

32 mm of RAM clearance to the fan
64 mm of RAM clearance to the cooler

The D15Sprovides:
http://noctua.at/media/catalog/product/n/o/noctua_nh_d15s_clearance_new.png

32 mm of RAM clearance to the fan
65 mm of RAM clearance to the cooler ... I don't think the 1mm will make the difference

So with the D15, you pay $6 more and ... even worse case if you can't move the fan, you have a spare fan for $6.