How come the temperatures on my CPU are too high?

[MatthewE310]

I just built a new computer with a Deep Cool Tesseract case. The case has two 120m fans. I also have an i7 6700K CPU and a Corsair H80i V2 Water Cooler installed on my CPU. I turned on my computer for the first time and then noticed that the temperature of my CPU started at 49c and then gradually increased to 60c after I left my computer on for a while. The temperature shows on my Bios after I start the computer. I still haven't yet installed Windows 10 on my computer, so my computer could only start the Bios menu. The voltage on my CPU is 1.28 and I am wondering if that could possibly be the problem? I don't even know how to control the voltage of my cpu through the Bios menu. I have an ASRock Z170 Micro ATX motherboard. I always thought that a water cooler would give me much lower temperatures. Do I use some kind of software to control my water cooler so that I can decrease my temperatures?

 

[Ironsounds]

Hello... when in the BIO's your CPU will be running at full speed/Freq... in Windows your temperature controls and CPU frequency will be lower with energy saving features and Cooler App.... so basically your computer/CPU is maxing out at 60C... and that is Good B )

So go ahead and do the OS install and report back temps then... your Cooler mounting is GOOD B )

 

[MatthewE310]

Hello... when in the BIO's your CPU will running at full speed/Freq... in Windows your temperature controls and CPU frequency will be lower with energy saving features and Apps.... so basically your computer/CPU is maxing out at 60C... and that is Good B )

So go ahead and do the OS install and report back temps then.

Thank you so much for letting me know, now I don't have to be so worried about my water cooler possibly being defective!
Another thing that I want to mention is that I initially built the same pc with a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo CPU fan and the temperatures of my CPU were the exact same on the Bios without me installing Windows 10. Does that mean that the temperatures will always be the same on the Bios no matter how good my CPU cooler is, if I start my computer without installing Windows 10? Because that was a $30 fan cooler and now I replaced it with a $100 water cooler.

 

[Ironsounds]

Hello... Well... GOOD questions and thinking "Logic" here... B )

All you've tested/collected data on so far is the CPU cooling ability with the current ambient of your case open/Closed? But... depending on the Gpu you will be using... will now add more heat to your "Case environment/ambient" typically your GPU will be the biggest "Watt-heat" generator in your system.

Depending on if your using "exterior/interior exhaust" cooling fans to the "GPU /System"... the "Reserve" cooling ability of your Cpu cooler/fans will start to show their weakness or ability to handle the increase ambient temperatures inside your case. Nature tries to find a balance inside a 'Closed system" ...Heat from the GPU/drives/Air/? will transfer between themselves as part of this balance.

Nature and the materials used in a cooling system will dictate it's abilities to "transfer" heat from one component to the other... Air is one of the worst materials to use for cooling... but it is free and abundant. Copper will transfer heat 2x's that of aluminum. B /

Typically your water cooler will have a copper block... and you will have the fastest exchange of heat from the CPU to the water. Fan/coolers typically use aluminum because of cost... also the best radiators are one's made of copper... but then again the costs have changed radiators of most things to be made of aluminum.

AS for a Fan/cooler device... Once your FANs are at Full speed you are at the Limit of your 'cooling" ...also you will be using the hot air inside your case for cooling. You should see better overall cooling with the Water Cooler VS the EVO... whether you needed it or not depends on your Climate/Region, ambient, yearly temperatures and Humidity... or you are running more than one "high watt" GPU in your system, B /

 

[MatthewE310]

Hello... Well... GOOD questions and thinking "Logic" here... B )

All you've tested/collected data on so far is the CPU cooling ability with the current ambient of your case open/Closed? But... depending on the Gpu you will be using... will now add more heat to your "Case environment/ambient" typically your GPU will be the biggest "Watt-heat" generator in your system.

Depending on if your using "exterior/interior exhaust" cooling fans to the "GPU /System"... the "Reserve" cooling ability of your Cpu cooler/fans will start to show their weakness or ability to handle the increase ambient temperatures inside your case. Nature tries to find a balance inside a 'Closed system" ...Heat from the GPU/drives/Air/? will transfer between themselves as part of this balance.

Nature and the materials used in a cooling system will dictate it's abilities to "transfer" heat from one component to the other... Air is one of the worst materials to use for cooling... but it is free and abundant. Copper will transfer heat 2x's that of aluminum. B /

Typically your water cooler will have a copper block... and you will have the fastest exchange of heat from the CPU to the water. Fan/coolers typically use aluminum because of cost... also the best radiators are one's made of copper... but then again the costs have changed radiators of most things to be made of aluminum.

Once your FANs are at Full speed you are at the Limit of your 'cooling" ...also you will be using the hot air inside your case for cooling. You should see better overall cooling with the Water Cooler VS the EVO... whether you needed it or not depends on your Climate/Region, ambient, yearly temperatures and Humidity... or you are running more than one "high watt" GPU in your system, B /

My GPU is an MSI Gaming X GTX 1080 Ti. My case is a closed case. Is there any way that I could turn my case into an open case without worrying about my pc parts damaging? Like maybe if I could open the side of my case that is behind my motherboard when I use my computer and then put it back on my case after I finish using my computer?

 

[Ironsounds]

Hello... Good ideas... Yes a open air case is best for cooling but not cleanliness... B / ...But I don't think you need to go through all of that at all... B D the water cooler radiator mounted for exterior exhaust/air should be fine... the GTX1080 TI is 250 watt GPU... Your CPU is less than 100 watts B / ... a 400 watt system should be easy to keep cool.

Sometimes placing your case in a better room spot can help... being tucked in a room corner is NOT the best fresh cool air situation... make sure your not trying to COOL your computer with the HOT air your trying to exhaust B D

Create an outside case Hot air and Cool air paths/isolations/chambers with cardboard/Foam/?... Also experiment with fan air flow directions to cut a few degrees C. B /

1) What is your region and air humidity?
2) Are you currently experiencing over CPU temps? ...and bought the water cooler for this reason? B /
3) can you post a picture/website of the GPU fan configuration for me?
4) Are you overthinking and over worrying about your investment in these items?
5) Are you wanting to OC this system to the MAX you can? and need the best cooling advice in such system B /

 

[Tyler LM]

I would install windows, then download speccy, then check the temps on idle. Then after that check the temps in cpuz with the stress test going and see if the stress test is 60C or if the idle is 60C. If the stress test is 60C its because the BIOS used 100 percent CPU usage.

 

[Ironsounds]

Hello... I'm not a fan of stress testers... this can be considered 'destructive" testing ... B / the point of building/designing any system is to run it as it would, with day to day stress/conditions. B /

your CPU is not the High watt situation here... the GPU IS... and the added heat stress from it is your only concern... and getting that extra Hot air properly transferred to the outside. The CPU water Cooler is not there to handle that situation... if you properly take care of the GPU heat it will produce, you are Golden... and you will NOT need to stress out your poor CPU B D

I come from real life maintenance and engineering back ground... and a whole lot of HOT equipment working together in all kinds of climates. B )

 

[Tyler LM]

Hello... I'm not a fan of stress testers... this can be considered 'destructive" testing ... B / the point of building any system is to run it as you would day to day stress. B /

You can always test it in a CPU intensive game or just some random game as well I personally do stress testing "destructive testing". because no game will work you're CPU that hard.

 

[MatthewE310]

Hello... Good ideas... Yes a open air case is best for cooling but not cleanliness... B / ...But I don't think you need to go through all of that at all... B D the water cooler radiator mounted for exterior exhaust/air should be fine... the GTX1080 TI is 250 watt GPU... Your CPU is less than 100 watts B / ... a 400 watt system should be easy to keep cool.

Sometimes placing your case in a better room spot can help... being tucked in a room corner is NOT the best fresh cool air situation... make sure your not trying to COOL your computer with the HOT air your trying to exhaust B D

Create an outside case Hot air and Cool air paths/isolations/chambers with cardboard/Foam/?... Also experiment with fan air flow directions to cut a few degrees C. B /

1) What is your region and air humidity?
2) Are you currently experiencing over CPU temps? ...and bought the water cooler for this reason? B /
3) can you post a picture/website of the GPU fan configuration for me?
4) Are you overthinking and over worrying about your investment in these items?
5) Are you wanting to OC this system to the MAX you can? and need the best cooling advice in such system B /

I live in a city called Riverside at Southern California. It is usually hot and is close to the desert. The reason why I bought the water cooler is because I was thinking of overclocking as much as possible without reaching unacceptably warm temperatures. Here is a link of the GPU that I am using. https://www.msi.com/Graphics-card/GeForce-GTX-1080-Ti-GAMING-X-11G.html#hero-overview It is a GPU with two 120m fans and it also has a huge heat sink and pipes. I have that GPU installed inside a Mid tower case.

"Create an outside case Hot air and Cool air paths/isolations/chambers with cardboard/Foam/?... Also experiment with fan air flow directions to cut a few degrees C. B /"
Can you please elaborate more on what you mean when you give this advice? Any source of information would also be helpful for me to take a look at.

 

[Ironsounds]

Hello... basically from my point of view... a Graphic card stressor is what I would do to test my cool and hot air conditions with my cases... since my GPU's will be putting out more watts than any thing else in my case. B / ...Typically I just start a game of StarCraft 2 and start raising the graphic settings... it doesn't take long to get the case to start feeling hot to touch B o

 

[Ironsounds]

@MatthewE310

Well you have worst fan type for exhausting Hot Air from a 250+ watt GPU... you are basically throwing it back into the case... each time the same Air molecules are being reused and not given a chance to cool down... B /

You needed to Buy/invest in the 'external exhaust" "reference design" models... ya the FAN noise... longer card complaints... etc... well it is a industrial rated ball bearing high speed fan they use... but that is the only direct cool air in and hot air out GPU design that works. B /

Your best situation is to do internal Case chambering design... to separate the GPU air from the rest of your components... cardboard and masking tape should be easy to cut and create a direct path to a intake/exhaust fan? B /

Another option could be to set your case on it's side... as heat rises you could place/install a fan directly above your GPU in this configuration. B / (this is why the "reference design GPU" one fan eliminates using 3 other fans in a case B D )

Basically look around you... how do the professionals "Duct" a clothes dryer? or home heater or cool the engine of your car/truck... see all that steam that comes off of the top buildings? Typically those are the water cooling towers to cool all the hot processes and machinery inside... There is a reason/design and placement of "cool air in and hot air out" systems... and some of the computer component makers do not design by these same 'Professional" standards.

"Your best cooling situation with that GPU cooler design is to just take a side cover off your case and maybe use chicken wire to protect the components from flying beer bottles..." ~ Dairy of a Mad Computer Geek

 

[MatthewE310]

Hello... basically from my point of view... a Graphic card stressor is what I would do to test my cool and hot air conditions with my cases... since my GPU's will be putting out more watts than any thing else in my case. B / ...Typically I just start a game of StarCraft 2 and start raising the graphic settings... it doesn't take long to get the case to start feeling hot to touch B o

@MatthewE310

Well you have worst fan type for exhausting Hot Air from a 250+ watt GPU... you are basically throwing it back into the case... each time the same Air molecules are being reused and not given a chance to cool down... B /

So my GPU is the reason why my CPU has high temperatures? I noticed that even though my CPU shows temperatures between 50c to 60c, my motherboard has temperatures between 20c to 30c. Shouldn't the hot air from my GPU also cause my motherboard to have high temperatures?

You needed to Buy/invest in the 'external exhaust" "reference design" models... ya the FAN noise... longer card complaints... etc... well it is a industrial rated ball bearing high speed fan they use... but that is the only direct cool air in and hot air out GPU design that works. B /

Your best situation is to do internal Case chambering design... to separate the GPU air from the rest of your components... cardboard and masking tape should be easy to cut and create a direct path to a intake/exhaust fan? B /

Another option could be to set your case on it's side... as heat rises you could place/install a fan directly above your GPU in this configuration. B / (this is why the "reference design GPU" one fan eliminates using 3 other fans in a case B D )

Basically look around you... how do the professionals "Duct" a clothes dryer? or home heater or cool the engine of your car/truck... see all that stream that comes off of the top buildings? Typically those are the water cooling towers to cool all the hot processes and machinery inside... There is a reason/design and placement of "cool air in and hot air out" systems... and some of the computer component makers do not design by these same 'Professional" standards.

"Your best cooling situation with that GPU cooler design is to just take a side cover off your case and maybe use chicken wire to protect the components from flying beer bottles..." ~ Dairy of a Mad Computer Geek

 

[MatthewE310]

@MatthewE310

Well you have worst fan type for exhausting Hot Air from a 250+ watt GPU... you are basically throwing it back into the case... each time the same Air molecules are being reused and not given a chance to cool down... B /

You needed to Buy/invest in the 'external exhaust" "reference design" models... ya the FAN noise... longer card complaints... etc... well it is a industrial rated ball bearing high speed fan they use... but that is the only direct cool air in and hot air out GPU design that works. B /

Your best situation is to do internal Case chambering design... to separate the GPU air from the rest of your components... cardboard and masking tape should be easy to cut and create a direct path to a intake/exhaust fan? B /

Another option could be to set your case on it's side... as heat rises you could place/install a fan directly above your GPU in this configuration. B / (this is why the "reference design GPU" one fan eliminates using 3 other fans in a case B D )

Basically look around you... how do the professionals "Duct" a clothes dryer? or home heater or cool the engine of your car/truck... see all that stream that comes off of the top buildings? Typically those are the water cooling towers to cool all the hot processes and machinery inside... There is a reason/design and placement of "cool air in and hot air out" systems... and some of the computer component makers do not design by these same 'Professional" standards.

"Your best cooling situation with that GPU cooler design is to just take a side cover off your case and maybe use chicken wire to protect the components from flying beer bottles..." ~ Dairy of a Mad Computer Geek

So my GPU is the reason why my CPU has high temperatures? I noticed that even though my CPU shows temperatures between 50c to 60c, my motherboard has temperatures between 20c to 30c. Shouldn't the hot air from my GPU also cause my motherboard to have high temperatures?

 

[Tyler LM]

@MatthewE310

Well you have worst fan type for exhausting Hot Air from a 250+ watt GPU... you are basically throwing it back into the case... each time the same Air molecules are being reused and not given a chance to cool down... B /

You needed to Buy/invest in the 'external exhaust" "reference design" models... ya the FAN noise... longer card complaints... etc... well it is a industrial rated ball bearing high speed fan they use... but that is the only direct cool air in and hot air out GPU design that works. B /

Your best situation is to do internal Case chambering design... to separate the GPU air from the rest of your components... cardboard and masking tape should be easy to cut and create a direct path to a intake/exhaust fan? B /

Another option could be to set your case on it's side... as heat rises you could place/install a fan directly above your GPU in this configuration. B / (this is why the "reference design GPU" one fan eliminates using 3 other fans in a case B D )

Basically look around you... how do the professionals "Duct" a clothes dryer? or home heater or cool the engine of your car/truck... see all that stream that comes off of the top buildings? Typically those are the water cooling towers to cool all the hot processes and machinery inside... There is a reason/design and placement of "cool air in and hot air out" systems... and some of the computer component makers do not design by these same 'Professional" standards.

"Your best cooling situation with that GPU cooler design is to just take a side cover off your case and maybe use chicken wire to protect the components from flying beer bottles..." ~ Dairy of a Mad Computer Geek

So my GPU is the reason why my CPU has high temperatures? I noticed that even though my CPU shows temperatures between 50c to 60c, my motherboard has temperatures between 20c to 30c. Shouldn't the hot air from my GPU also cause my motherboard to have high temperatures?

If its lack of air flow it should make the GPU, CPU, and MOBO hot.

 

[Ironsounds]

Hello... There will always be a hot and cold sides/parts in a enclosure/house/electrical products... Typically thermal testing on a electrical Product is set for 100% current rating and left for 24 hours in that condition or longer till the temperatures do not change any more or"stabilized". Thermal couples would have been placed per the "Testing Standard" states... typically this will be Line/load and any other consumer/user access points... Outside Ambient temperature is subtracted from the actual temperature reading for the "temperature rise" of such Product/Test Sample"

Some components and materials will act like Heat producers and others will act like Heat absorbers... Engineers/designers have their list of materials and their "tricks" of the trade to meet these testing standards and still keep their Product at competitive Cost and pass these Thermal tests within of a Degree of C.

If you try and "skimp" on the Copper alloy or try and use aluminum instead... it will show up during Tests... the thickness and material of the enclosure will also show up in tests... Yes it's natures balance that you are constantly re-testing and doing "Cost reduction" activity with your product.

Your GPU will be the Biggest heat producer in your system and that heat will try and balance/share itself with the other components and materials around it... You WILL see "temperature Rise"... how much? depends on all of the other of natures materials involved.

Typically if your Outside Air changes 1 degree C... you will eventually see that change reflected in your product... if the Humidity of the outside Air changes you will also see that change reflected to your product. If your product is used outside in the SUN or in the Hot humid rainy season... there will be temperature/humidity/UV swings and material/design changes are needed to withstand these things.

But they all need to be Tested and verified some way to avoid a product re-call or injury to itself or others... Mother nature finds it's little ways to throw your predictions and reasoning in a NEW direction. Thomas Edison predicted that Teslas AC voltage design was a curse on humanity... and we all know now that this is the best cost effective method of Power transmission to homes and businesses.

The point here is deal "directly" with the "extra/higher" GPU heat production and don't start blaming the CPU cooler for it OR expecting it to be the solution. B /

 

[MatthewE310]

Hello... There will always be a hot and cold sides/parts in a enclosure/house/electrical products... Typically thermal testing on a electrical Product is set for 100% current rating and left for 24 hours in that condition or longer till the temperatures do not change any more or"stabilized". Thermal couples would have been placed per the "Testing Standard" states... typically this will be Line/load and any other consumer/user access points... Outside Ambient temperature is subtracted from the actual temperature reading for the "temperature rise" of such Product/Test Sample"

Some components and materials will act like Heat producers and others will act like Heat absorbers... Engineers/designers have their list of materials and their "tricks" of the trade to meet these testing standards and still keep their Product at competitive Cost and pass these Thermal tests within of a Degree of C.

If you try and "skimp" on the Copper alloy or try and use aluminum instead... it will show up during Tests... the thickness and material of the enclosure will also show up in tests... Yes it's natures balance that you are constantly re-testing and doing "Cost reduction" activity with your product.

Your GPU will be the Biggest heat producer in your system and that heat will try and balance/share itself with the other components and materials around it... You WILL see "temperature Rise"... how much? depends on all of the other of natures materials involved.

Typically if your Outside Air changes 1 degree C... you will eventually see that change reflected in your product... if the Humidity of the outside Air changes you will also see that change reflected to your product. If your product is used outside in the SUN or in the Hot humid rainy season... there will be temperature swings and material changes to withstand these things. But they all need to be Tested and verified some way to avoid a product re-call or injury to itself or others... Mother nature finds it's little ways to throw your predictions and reasoning in a NEW direction.

The point here is deal "directly" with the GPU heat production and don't start blaming the CPU cooler for it OR expecting it to be the solution. B /

Okay so I want to buy a case that will do a much better job managing my GPU's heat production, something that will allow the heat from my GPU to escape and not allow my GPU to greatly increase the temperatures of all my other components. Is a cubed case a good idea? I was thinking about buying the Thermaltake Core V21 Micro-ATX Windowed Cube Computer Case. This is a link to the case http://www.microcenter.com/product/443410/Core_V21_Micro-ATX_Windowed_Cube_Computer_Case What specifications or descriptions should i look for when buying a case to not allow the custom fan and heatsink of my custom GPU to be a problem for the temperatures of my other PC parts? Because my GPU will always be a little close to my CPU and other components since it has a huge heat sink and fits on my Micro ATX motherboard. The fans on my GPU don't even face my CPU or other components on the motherboard. They face my power supply at the bottom but are far away from it.

 

[Ironsounds]

Hello... Looking over builds/reviews with the V21 and V1 "cubes" on the 'Tube"... I see a very well ventilated and custom option case... but if you put enough holes "perforations" into any piece of sheet metal you will get the same effect... but it also has very good dust filtering options too for all those holes. You have the option to change the orientation of the case/panels too.

This would be the next best thing to having a open "Air" case... and the price is right also. B ) ...the larger footprint will be a desktop/floor challenge of space/placement.

Yes... GPU slots next to the CPU on the MB is one of those "what were they thinking" design decisions B / ... using a "reference design" "external exhaust" GPU is about the best you can do here, too keep the hot air from blowing directly on the CPU cooler "personal space"...some video cards have a 'back plate" option, and this could help isolate/insulate some heat? B /

There was a time that certain MB makers/models were putting all the MB SATA connectors under a double wide GPU... I got a lot self (home) built computers in for repair, and the GPU's were not seated in the MB slot... because they had used straight SATA plug ends and the Video card did not have physical clearance. B D ...I see this issue has been finally addressed.