How do I know if the 280mm Radiator will fit in a case?

[RoyA2015]

Let's say I wanted to buy the H110i GTX 280mm from Corsair. I'm aware that's not the fan size, and it's the radiator size.. How do I know what case to buy in order to make it work and fit?

I'm fully aware that the radiator is compatible with AMD: AM2, AM3, FM1, FM2, Intel LGA: 1150, 1155, 1156, 1366, 2011, 2011-3,

But what about 2011-v3? No right?
what about AM3+ ? No right.. because it doesn't say it is..

I know how to match up a motherboard with a case, that's pretty easy. ATX motherboard can fit in an ATX case. Easy.

I know that 2011-v3 Haswell-E Processor fits in a motherboard that supports 2011-v3, that's also pretty easy.

Anyways, could you help, it seems this might be my last question for myself, before I even build or buy any parts. Because I haven't.

I've learned a crap load of stuff over a week so far, and I think, I pretty much know how to put the whole computer together, without actually built it yet. Watching YouTube videos, CRAP load of research, etc.

I'm actually MAYBE.. for my first build, MAYBE building an FX-9590 based PC. But I really want to build a 2011-v3 for my first build. But am impatient, and want to build it now. I'm well aware that the 2011-v3 with 15MB L3 would stomp the AMD build, but idk yet.. I still have a couple months before I build it.. probably Jan 2015 I'll start, idk yet.

Yup, the 9590 gets HOT AS ******, it's a 220 watt CPU. I'm well aware. That's AMD for ya.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Product pages for cases say specifically what size radiators they support, so you need to visit the manufacturers page and look in the specifications. Fans ARE the determining factor, because a 240mm radiator uses 2 120mm fans, and a 280mm radiator uses two 140mm fans, etc.

Almost all modern coolers come with adapters for most known socket configurations, so if something isn't listed, contact the manfacturer or visit THEIR product page to find out if a specific CPU socket type is supported or not. In most cases the answer will be yes.

You do NOT want to build a system using an FX-9370 or 9590. Period. They are problematic, run hot and don't offer much if any better performance than an overclocked FX-8320 or 8350, which themselves are a three year old platform and are outdated. For the price of an FX-9590 you can get an Intel processor that kicks the living hell out of it, doesn't have heat issues and uses less than half the power. Plus, it will have an upgrade path later, which none of the current AMD processors, especially those two, do.


And that's NOT just AMD for ya, that's those two processors. I've got an FX-8320@4.5Ghz, just .3Ghz short of what the 9590 stock clock is, and it does not get hot nor does it use 225w like the 9590 just to stay stable under load.

 

[RoyA2015]

Product pages for cases say specifically what size radiators they support, so you need to visit the manufacturers page and look in the specifications. Fans ARE the determining factor, because a 240mm radiator uses 2 120mm fans, and a 280mm radiator uses two 140mm fans, etc.

Almost all modern coolers come with adapters for most known socket configurations, so if something isn't listed, contact the manfacturer or visit THEIR product page to find out if a specific CPU socket type is supported or not. In most cases the answer will be yes.

You do NOT want to build a system using an FX-9370 or 9590. Period. They are problematic, run hot and don't offer much if any better performance than an overclocked FX-8320 or 8350, which themselves are a three year old platform and are outdated. For the price of an FX-9590 you can get an Intel processor that kicks the living hell out of it, doesn't have heat issues and uses less than half the power. Plus, it will have an upgrade path later, which none of the current AMD processors, especially those two, do.


And that's NOT just AMD for ya, that's those two processors. I've got an FX-8320@4.5Ghz, just .3Ghz short of what the 9590 stock clock is, and it does not get hot nor does it use 225w like the 9590 just to stay stable under load.

Intel Core i7-5820K @ 3.30GHz is what I might go with then. Which from Postmarks site, there's really nothing close to the $200 price tag. But for currently $389.99, I'll go with that bad boy, with it being number 40 on Postmarks site. FX-9590 is 66. The i7-5820k is a VERY NICE processor. So I think I'll go with that then. Which is what I really wanted to go with anyways.

TDP of 140w, but I'm gonna use a nice (1x) 280mm RAD, (2x) 140mm FAN setup in my ATX case anyways, so I'm not really worried about it.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php

Yeah, so it's the fans then. So that's about it then. I'm back on track again, and now I know what cases will fit the radiator, because I've already been looking at the specs.

I think I like the Corsair Graphite Series 760T Black Full Tower Windowed Case, which supports (2x) 140mm fans in the front or top, According to the spec sheet on the website.

Cooling System :
Front: (x2) 120/140mm
Top: (x3) 120mm or (x2) 140mm
Rear: (x1) 120/140mm
Bottom: (x1) 120mm, 140mm Fans



lol, looks like I'll have to choose where I want to install the radiator.. Thanks a ton man.

Damn.. (3x) 120 on the top..? I'm gonna take a guess, and guess that might be better than (2x) 140mm fans.. I'll have to look and see if they make a radiator like that. With a (3x) 120mm fan/radiator setup

Thanks again, much appreciated. I think I got the hang of this part now.

 

[Mark_1970]

Product pages for cases say specifically what size radiators they support, so you need to visit the manufacturers page and look in the specifications. Fans ARE the determining factor, because a 240mm radiator uses 2 120mm fans, and a 280mm radiator uses two 140mm fans, etc.

Almost all modern coolers come with adapters for most known socket configurations, so if something isn't listed, contact the manfacturer or visit THEIR product page to find out if a specific CPU socket type is supported or not. In most cases the answer will be yes.

You do NOT want to build a system using an FX-9370 or 9590. Period. They are problematic, run hot and don't offer much if any better performance than an overclocked FX-8320 or 8350, which themselves are a three year old platform and are outdated. For the price of an FX-9590 you can get an Intel processor that kicks the living hell out of it, doesn't have heat issues and uses less than half the power. Plus, it will have an upgrade path later, which none of the current AMD processors, especially those two, do.


And that's NOT just AMD for ya, that's those two processors. I've got an FX-8320@4.5Ghz, just .3Ghz short of what the 9590 stock clock is, and it does not get hot nor does it use 225w like the 9590 just to stay stable under load.

Intel Core i7-5820K @ 3.30GHz is what I might go with then. Which from Postmarks site, there's really nothing close to the $200 price tag. But for currently $389.99, I'll go with that bad boy, with it being number 40 on Postmarks site. FX-9590 is 66. The i7-5820k is a VERY NICE processor. So I think I'll go with that then. Which is what I really wanted to go with anyways.

TDP of 140w, but I'm gonna use a nice (1x) 280mm RAD, (2x) 140mm FAN setup in my ATX case anyways, so I'm not really worried about it.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php

Yeah, so it's the fans then. So that's about it then. I'm back on track again, and now I know what cases will fit the radiator, because I've already been looking at the specs.

I think I like the Corsair Graphite Series 760T Black Full Tower Windowed Case, which supports (2x) 140mm fans in the front or top, According to the spec sheet on the website.

Cooling System :
Front: (x2) 120/140mm
Top: (x3) 120mm or (x2) 140mm
Rear: (x1) 120/140mm
Bottom: (x1) 120mm, 140mm Fans



lol, looks like I'll have to choose where I want to install the radiator.. Thanks a ton man.

Damn.. (3x) 120 on the top..? I'm gonna take a guess, and guess that might be better than (2x) 140mm fans.. I'll have to look and see if they make a radiator like that. With a (3x) 120mm fan/radiator setup

Thanks again, much appreciated. I think I got the hang of this part now.

I have the 760t in white, you wont get a (3x) 120mm fan/radiator setup on top, the cradle for optical drives is very close ,only allowing a fan to sqeeze in there. 2x 120 or 2x 140mm fits fine. Kids can easily open the doors on this case too, with it's obvious door latches. cable management is tight spaced on the side, making it very necessary to carefully lay flat all cables to shut that door. Supplied fans are great, strong airflow, good looking case. overall i love it

 

[Darkbreeze]

5820K is a good choice, but honestly, if this is mainly a gaming machine, the 6600K is just as good. Maybe slightly better except on things that actually use more than four cores, which isn't that many. I've not seen any gaming benchmarks that show any of the i7's to have significant performance gains aside from a very small handful of titles, and it's much cheaper plus leaves you room for an upgrade path later. Still, aside from there being no where to go later with the 2011-3 socket, the 5820K is pretty good.

 

[RoyA2015]

Nah.. I'm good on the 6600k. Let it be the AMD A8-6600K APU, or the Intel Core i5-6600K @ 3.50GHz. Those processors are garbage, compared to the FX-9590 or the i7-5820k, regardless of the 220 watt TDP from the FX-9590. I'm gonna go ahead with the i7-5820k, knowing that it's far better than anything else mentioned. It's not just going to be for gaming, I never said it was.

It's not about the Ghz, it's about the IPC. Yup, and knowing that I can't go anywhere except to the i7-5960X, is perfectly fine with me. I can live with having one of the best processors in the world.


As for Mark_1970's comment, I understand, I'll just go with a duel 140mm fan/radiator configuration then if that's the case, if not, latter on today, I'll take a closer look at some of my other options as far as choosing a case goes. If I can't get (3x) 120mm in a case, which I think might be possible, I'll go with that, and if not, then I'll just go with the setup I had originally asked about, in my OP. Thanks again, to DarkBreeze & Mark_1970 for the helping hand, I appreciate it. Have a good Holiday guys.

 

[Darkbreeze]

The i5-6600k has nearly identical gaming performance as the the i7-6700k, just as the i5-4690k had the same gaming performance as the i7-4790k, and the i7-4790k and i7-6700k are either equal or the 6700k slightly exceeds the 4790k in some benchmarks. There is no way you can realistically say the 6600k is garbage. Aside from a very few benchmarks that require or benefit from more than 4 cores, it exceeds the performance of pretty much every CPU on the market except the 6700k and 5960x. Just to be clear though, the 9590 should not be a conversation with these chips, especially not the i7's when it comes to threaded performance. There are maybe one in ten processes/applications that run faster on the AMD processor and those are simply applications that are coded with support for CPU instructions found on the AMD chip that are not supported by the Intel chip in the same way.

If you look at the majority of professional review site benchmarks, only the 5960x bests the 6600k and 6700k in single and multi threaded performance on the majority of tests, at any given equal clock speed.


http://www.overclockers.com/intel-skylake-i7-6700k-cpu-review/

 

[RoyA2015]

How is that possible..?

http://www.cinebench.info/

 

[Darkbreeze]

Cinebench, CPUbenchmark, CPU Boss and other sites like this are unreliable and do not represent the results of actual bench testing using a wide variety of benchmarks and gaming results. Usually, they either use only an accumulated score based on paper specifications or use a single benchmark that does not accurately represent the REAL characteristics and performance of a given platform.

Maxon Cinebench, for example, uses only Cinema 4D, their own 3D animation suite and results from that should only be considered relevant if the primary use of your system will be on their, or a similar, suite. One CPU can have widely different results versus another CPU depending on the particular test or benchmark, and where they may excel in one area, they may fail or have lower performance in another. An overall picture using a wide variety of scores needs to be looked at in order to get a more realistic feel for what the CPU can do, and determining what YOUR primary usage will be, ie, gaming, databases, 3D and video rendering, general applications, virtual machines, or whatever it is, can go a long way in determining what the right platform is for you.

This is why most if not all professional review sites tend to provide scores from a broad spectrum of test suites and game titles. A good, but still not be all and end all comparison utility is the Anandtech CPU benchmark. Still, those results are subjective as well and often don't represent the results found via actual testing under lab conditions with a variety of hardware on an otherwise equal playing field.

As you can see here, the 6600k competes very well in some areas, while falling short in others. The same can be said for most any processor but essentially all of the Haswell refresh i5 and i7, Skylake i5 and i7 and Haswell-E CPUs pretty well smash any current AMD CPU which is why the upcoming Zen architecture may be an all or nothing investiture for AMD.


http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1544?vs=1289


Keep in mind that most of those threaded results involve benchmarks that are designed to make full use of all available cores/threads and the majority of games and applications currently available for real world use by consumers, does not make use of more than 4 cores and also that a CPU with only four cores can run many more than 4 threads. Granted, a 4core +4hyperthread CPU can run more, but that's only helpful if the software is optimized for it. If gaming is your main thing, you're going to see bigger results from the four very strong cores than you will from 8 weak AMD cores. The same can be said for the majority of applications although there are a few dectractors.


As you can see, the 4790k competes very well with the 5820k, for much less, and an E3 Xeon is an even better option financially, although it can't be overclocked to any significant degree and will suffer by sheer fact of a lower clock speed if using a stock 4790k or an overclocked 5820k.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1320?vs=1260

 

[RoyA2015]

You just contradicted yourself. The i5-6600k is #1 on the list, for single core speed.

You said Benchmarks don't really mean anything.. But they do.

Idk man.. seems pretty accurate to me, seeing that your i5-6600k is #1 for single core test. With a score of 186. Which is what you said is a good CPU. And it is.

Then it's the 4790k (Devil's Canyon), SINGLE CORE. 2nd Place. With a score of 185.

http://www.cinebench.info/

I get it. AMD isn't what I'm going to be using.

I also understand that most apps don't use all cores, but if I look for single core, the i5-6600k is #1 on Cinebench results.

Everything you said, matches up with the results on Cinebench, regardless if you're using handbrake benchmark charts, and saying that benchmark charts don't matter.

I honestly didn't post this question about processors. I marked your answer as best solution, and I'm not posting another reply.


I think I'm going to go with the FX-9590, just because it's a BEAST !!! lol. jk.

I could start another thread, and maybe we can continue the conversation, if you want. I think I understand what your talking about, and I see the results. The Devil's Canyon is a really nice CPU, and unfortunately, so is the i5-6600k, even though it's an i5 cpu.

 

[Darkbreeze]

In any case, you have lot's of data now Roy. Good luck whichever way you choose to go. Take care.