How do these two compare? Any other suggestion?

[ale.12256]

Hello,

I recently moved to Sweden and wanted to buy a desktop here, my budget is around 1200 - 1300 € + screen. I found this offer in a shop for a prebuilt, and tried to compare it to another build I did on an online Swedish shop. How do the two compare? Is the Inet.se build okay or are some pieces not working good together?

I would use the pc mainly for gaming, photoshop, light 3d sculping and rendering.

Also, I am not familiar with mini-ATX builds, do they have the same performances of a normal desktop? Or do they heat up like a laptop? In case of frequent moving, is it any safer moving around a mini-atx compared to a desktop?


https://www.inet.se/produkt/b1009111/aledroid

(1149,70 Euro)

https://www.elgiganten.se/product/datorer-tillbehor/stationar-dator/MSICODEX3033/msi-codex-3-vr7rd-033eu-stationar-dator-gaming

(1315,63 Euro)

Thank you very much for any suggestion.

 

[justin.m.beauvais]

Well, they are both good machines for what you are looking to do. If you plan on doing doing any kind of productivity I'd go with the Ryzen 1600 over the i5 7400. Although the i5 has the better video card the Ryzen will benefit you a lot more in Photoshop and 3d rendering. As long as you are gaming at 1080p, the GTX 1060 will be plenty of video card for you.

Generally, mini-ATX builds behave more like desktops than laptops, and have full desktop performance, just not as much in the way of expansion card slots. I wouldn't worry about it heating up too much. Most mini-ATX cases have plenty of airflow. As far as safety to move there is no difference, but a mini-ATX system will be easier to move thanks to the size difference.

 

[rustigsmed]

hi i couldn't quite copy the link for some reason but using inet i have selected this for you from their website:

it will perform a lot better than both systems in gaming (1070ti on special as well) and will be fine for light workloads etc (between the i5 7400 and 1600 in workloads).


Deepcool Tesseract ATX Svart/Blå LED 499 kr
Intel Core i5 8400 2.8 GHz 9MB 1 949 kr
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB Gaming 5 590 kr
ASUS PRIME B360M-A Nu 849 kr
Crucial 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 2666MHz CL16 Ballistix Sport LT Vit 1 990 kr
WD Green 3D NAND SSD 240GB 2.5" 699 kr
Seagate BarraCuda 2TB 7200rpm 64MB 689 kr
Corsair VS650 650W (v2) 599 kr

Total 12 864 kr or 1236 euro

 

[geofelt]

M-ATX is a size format of a motherboard.
It has 4 expansion slots vs. 7 for a normal ATX motherboard.
Performance is identical; I favor M-ATX for the more compact size.

Because M-ATX is smaller, you can use a smaller case which is easier to move.

ITX with just one x16 slot performs equally well and can fit in some very small cases if you will be moving a lot.

Of the two, I think I would favor the second one with GTX1070 and 32gb of ram.
Gaming is better with a faster gpu and photoshop likes lots of ram.

 

[ale.12256]

Thank you very much for the replies and explanations!

I think I´d rather prioritize editing rather than gaming, I changed a bit the configuration using the parts you suggested but with the Ryzen processor. I am not sure how to choose a motherboard aside from looking at the matching socket, is this one okay?

https://www.inet.se/produkt/b1009265/second

If I was to pick this configuration, but with the 1060 6Gb instead, would I have to upgrade first the processor or the graphics card to keep up with gaming improvements? For how long more or less should this such system be able to play new games at 1080 - medium-high setting? (3 years?)

(for coping form the website you generate a link with the green button and then the white one in the middle after, you can also change my configuration clicking on blue one "redigera something")

Also is there the need for a cooling system without overclocking? Like if I leave it rendering overnight, does the standard heating suffice? Otherwise, wich cooling system should I choose?

 

[ale.12256]

M-ATX is a size format of a motherboard.
It has 4 expansion slots vs. 7 for a normal ATX motherboard.
Performance is identical; I favor M-ATX for the more compact size.

Because M-ATX is smaller, you can use a smaller case which is easier to move.

ITX with just one x16 slot performs equally well and can fit in some very small cases if you will be moving a lot.

Of the two, I think I would favor the second one with GTX1070 and 32gb of ram.
Gaming is better with a faster gpu and photoshop likes lots of ram.

I´m not sure I undersand, M-ATX and ITX are two different formats, right? Wich is preferable? Does the size of the graphic card matters or is that only a problem for the case choice?

 

[justin.m.beauvais]

Thank you very much for the replies and explanations!

I think I´d rather prioritize editing rather than gaming, I changed a bit the configuration using the parts you suggested but with the Ryzen processor. I am not sure how to choose a motherboard aside from looking at the matching socket, is this one okay?

https://www.inet.se/produkt/b1009265/second

If I was to pick this configuration, but with the 1060 6Gb instead, would I have to upgrade first the processor or the graphics card to keep up with gaming improvements? For how long more or less should this such system be able to play new games at 1080 - medium-high setting? (3 years?)

(for coping form the website you generate a link with the green button and then the white one in the middle after, you can also change my configuration clicking on blue one "redigera something")

Also is there the need for a cooling system without overclocking? Like if I leave it rendering overnight, does the standard heating suffice? Otherwise, wich cooling system should I choose?

Yes, the MSI B350M Gaming PRO is a solid motherboard.

I would suspect that the GTX 1060 should be a reasonable gaming card for about 2-3 years. It would most likely be the video card that would need an upgrade first.

A good air cooling system like a Cryorig H7 would work well. Additionally, if you wanted to liquid cool there are reasonable ones like the all in one Corsair H100i. But that is all up to you. Personally, I'd stay on air cooling and get a good cooler. Most people would fight me on that, but I think air cooling is perfectly acceptable and even better in some instances.

 

[justin.m.beauvais]

M-ATX is a size format of a motherboard.
It has 4 expansion slots vs. 7 for a normal ATX motherboard.
Performance is identical; I favor M-ATX for the more compact size.

Because M-ATX is smaller, you can use a smaller case which is easier to move.

ITX with just one x16 slot performs equally well and can fit in some very small cases if you will be moving a lot.

Of the two, I think I would favor the second one with GTX1070 and 32gb of ram.
Gaming is better with a faster gpu and photoshop likes lots of ram.

I´m not sure I undersand, M-ATX and ITX are two different formats, right? Wich is preferable? Does the size of the graphic card matters or is that only a problem for the case choice?

Yes. Micro-ATX is basically a cut down ATX format, where as ITX is meant for really small form factor builds and is it's own separate standard as far as size goes.

 

[geofelt]

M-ATX is a size format of a motherboard.
It has 4 expansion slots vs. 7 for a normal ATX motherboard.
Performance is identical; I favor M-ATX for the more compact size.

Because M-ATX is smaller, you can use a smaller case which is easier to move.

ITX with just one x16 slot performs equally well and can fit in some very small cases if you will be moving a lot.

Of the two, I think I would favor the second one with GTX1070 and 32gb of ram.
Gaming is better with a faster gpu and photoshop likes lots of ram.

I´m not sure I undersand, M-ATX and ITX are two different formats, right? Wich is preferable? Does the size of the graphic card matters or is that only a problem for the case choice?

This wiki might explain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATX
You can put a small motherboard in a larger case but not a large motherboard in a small case.

Some, particularly older cards may not fit in some cases.
They might bump into a hard drive cage.
Newer cards are more compact and not usually a problem.
Case descriptions will usually have max sizes for graphics cards and air coolers.
The tesseract deepcool allows a 310mm graphics card and a 168 mm cooler.
Your GTX1070ti is only 270mm long.

The case is inexpensive and has only a single 140mm front intake fan.
For hot parts like yours, I like to see at least two 120/140mm front intakes.


Your pick on gaming vs editing.
Your latest selection is ok.
One suggestion, 650w is fine but corsair VS is not considered good quality.
Seasonic is a safer buy. The new focus line is good.

 

[ale.12256]

M-ATX is a size format of a motherboard.
It has 4 expansion slots vs. 7 for a normal ATX motherboard.
Performance is identical; I favor M-ATX for the more compact size.

Because M-ATX is smaller, you can use a smaller case which is easier to move.

ITX with just one x16 slot performs equally well and can fit in some very small cases if you will be moving a lot.

Of the two, I think I would favor the second one with GTX1070 and 32gb of ram.
Gaming is better with a faster gpu and photoshop likes lots of ram.

I´m not sure I undersand, M-ATX and ITX are two different formats, right? Wich is preferable? Does the size of the graphic card matters or is that only a problem for the case choice?

This wiki might explain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATX
You can put a small motherboard in a larger case but not a large motherboard in a small case.

Some, particularly older cards may not fit in some cases.
They might bump into a hard drive cage.
Newer cards are more compact and not usually a problem.
Case descriptions will usually have max sizes for graphics cards and air coolers.
The tesseract deepcool allows a 310mm graphics card and a 168 mm cooler.
Your GTX1070ti is only 270mm long.

The case is inexpensive and has only a single 140mm front intake fan.
For hot parts like yours, I like to see at least two 120/140mm front intakes.


Your pick on gaming vs editing.
Your latest selection is ok.
One suggestion, 650w is fine but corsair VS is not considered good quality.
Seasonic is a safer buy. The new focus line is good.

Thank you!

Seasonic seems kind of expensive, how are Antec, bitfenix, bequiet!, in comparison?

Also is it better to choose a motherboard with wifi for 30 € more, or to buy a separate wifi card?

Finally, I think I will go with the Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L as case for the portability.

 

[justin.m.beauvais]

Thank you!

Seasonic seems kind of expensive, how are Antec, bitfenix, bequiet!, in comparison?

Also is it better to choose a motherboard with wifi for 30 € more, or to buy a separate wifi card?

Finally, I think I will go with the Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L as case for the portability.

I would trust any system I'd build with an Antec PSU. I had one fail once, but it did so in a way that didn't take the rest of my system with it. I don't have any experience with either of the other two brands but bequiet! has a good reputation for other parts.

If you can get a better add in card for the money then go that route, but you'd be giving up an all important PCI-E slot for it... so if you wanted to add expansion cards later you might not be able to. It is a game of give and take on mini-ATX and ITX systems.

 

[ale.12256]

Okay thank you!