[SOLVED] How does this 32gb ddr4 kit perform? (Discussion)

[micwes8]

Hi,

Today was curious to know how this ram will perform in overclocking. So i checked the serial number of this ram it was manufactured last year in July which is quiet fresh and the version is v3.43. How good are those IC's for overclocking potential? Oh the timings are 16-18-18-35 by the way. If your'll have the same kit , please share your experiences. I will install this on my new intel 12th gen build. Thanks.

 

[hotaru.hino]

From what I saw on sites that tested the performance differences between DDR4 and DDR5 is that there's no appreciable difference and DDR4-3200/3600 is still a good sweet spot as far as price/performance goes.

See the following (ignore any AIDA64 benchmarks, it's not useful for real-world applications):
https://www.tomshardware.com/features/intel-alder-lake-ram-guide-ddr4-ddr5

Best RAM for Intel 12th-Gen Core: DDR4 vs. DDR5

A close look at memory scaling performance with Intel Core 12th-gen CPUs, to help you choose the best DDR4 and DDR5 memory kits for Alder Lake.

www.techspot.com

DDR4 vs. DDR5 on Intel Core i9-12900K Alder Lake Review

The Intel Alder Lake platform has support for both DDR5 and DDR4 memory. We ran 38 application benchmarks and 10 games at multiple DDR4 configurations to learn what performance to expect when using DDR4 vs. DDR5 on 12th Gen, and whether there's a point at which DDR4 performance can beat the much...

www.techpowerup.com

EDIT: I might've skirted answering the question in a roundabout way, but ultimately, I don't think there's any real point in overclocking a DDR4-3200 kit since it's within a margin of error or noise floor of DDR4-3600.

 

[Zerk2012]

Hi,

Today was curious to know how this ram will perform in overclocking. So i checked the serial number of this ram it was manufactured last year in July which is quiet fresh and the version is v3.43. How good are those IC's for overclocking potential? Oh the timings are 16-18-18-35 by the way. If your'll have the same kit , please share your experiences. I will install this on my new intel 12th gen build. Thanks.

Well first you never listed the memory and even if you do they all react differently to overclocking.

 

[kerberos_20]

From what I saw on sites that tested the performance differences between DDR4 and DDR5 is that there's no appreciable difference and DDR4-3200/3600 is still a good sweet spot as far as price/performance goes.

See the following (ignore any AIDA64 benchmarks, it's not useful for real-world applications):
https://www.tomshardware.com/features/intel-alder-lake-ram-guide-ddr4-ddr5

Best RAM for Intel 12th-Gen Core: DDR4 vs. DDR5

A close look at memory scaling performance with Intel Core 12th-gen CPUs, to help you choose the best DDR4 and DDR5 memory kits for Alder Lake.

www.techspot.com

DDR4 vs. DDR5 on Intel Core i9-12900K Alder Lake Review

The Intel Alder Lake platform has support for both DDR5 and DDR4 memory. We ran 38 application benchmarks and 10 games at multiple DDR4 configurations to learn what performance to expect when using DDR4 vs. DDR5 on 12th Gen, and whether there's a point at which DDR4 performance can beat the much...

www.techpowerup.com

EDIT: I might've skirted answering the question in a roundabout way, but ultimately, I don't think there's any real point in overclocking a DDR4-3200 kit since it's within a margin of error or noise floor of DDR4-3600.

when i oced mine 3200 cl14 to 3733 cl16, i saw noticeable improvement everywhere, user action went butter smooth

 

[micwes8]

So sorry about that, its a Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32gb DDR4 2666mhz. Should have added it in the post😕

 

[micwes8]

From what I saw on sites that tested the performance differences between DDR4 and DDR5 is that there's no appreciable difference and DDR4-3200/3600 is still a good sweet spot as far as price/performance goes.

See the following (ignore any AIDA64 benchmarks, it's not useful for real-world applications):
https://www.tomshardware.com/features/intel-alder-lake-ram-guide-ddr4-ddr5

Best RAM for Intel 12th-Gen Core: DDR4 vs. DDR5

A close look at memory scaling performance with Intel Core 12th-gen CPUs, to help you choose the best DDR4 and DDR5 memory kits for Alder Lake.

www.techspot.com

DDR4 vs. DDR5 on Intel Core i9-12900K Alder Lake Review

The Intel Alder Lake platform has support for both DDR5 and DDR4 memory. We ran 38 application benchmarks and 10 games at multiple DDR4 configurations to learn what performance to expect when using DDR4 vs. DDR5 on 12th Gen, and whether there's a point at which DDR4 performance can beat the much...

www.techpowerup.com

EDIT: I might've skirted answering the question in a roundabout way, but ultimately, I don't think there's any real point in overclocking a DDR4-3200 kit since it's within a margin of error or noise floor of DDR4-3600.

Yeah, the issue that DDR5 ram suffers in is high latency with those high ram speeds

 

[kerberos_20]

So sorry about that, its a Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32gb DDR4 2666mhz. Should have added it in the post😕

2666 cl16?
not really great overclocking potential.
reducing latency or increasing frequency on ram is overclock (either one or both, doesnt matter)
for comparison...
3200 is base now ...cl14 is good bin, cl16 is normal bin, cl18 is bad bin, on this frequency with 1.35volts
so converting 2666 cl16 into 3200, then we get something in between cl19-cl20, if its on 1.2v volts than its ok and overclock is possible as long IC can handle, id its already at 1.35v, than thats something beween bad bin and very bad bin
CL can be reduced if you rise voltage, but that depends on IC itself by how much you can increase voltage while having stable lower CL latency

 

[micwes8]

2666 cl16?
not really great overclocking potential.
reducing latency or increasing frequency on ram is overclock (either one or both, doesnt matter)
for comparison...
3200 is base now ...cl14 is good bin, cl16 is normal bin, cl18 is bad bin, on this frequency with 1.35volts
so converting 2666 cl16 into 3200, then we get something in between cl19-cl20, if its on 1.2v volts than its ok and overclock is possible as long IC can handle, id its already at 1.35v, than thats something beween bad bin and very bad bin
CL can be reduced if you rise voltage, but that depends on IC itself by how much you can increase voltage while having stable lower CL latency

I found out that my IC version 3.43 is the Micron B die which is second best and Samsung B die is first, i read from sources that it scales well with voltages and is known to be a good overclocker. But i will have to see how this ram kit performs as i'm sure it can easily overclock in the 3000 range ram speed category with that same timings.

 

[kerberos_20]

I found out that my IC version 3.43 is the Micron B die which is second best and Samsung B die is first, i read from sources that it scales well with voltages and is known to be a good overclocker

that depends on bin used
im looking at those sticks at corsair website
2666 c16 runs at 1.2v
3200 c16 runs at 1.35v ( costs 3dollars more)

1.2v sticks should run at 1.35v with higher clock probably fine, but there is slight chance of IC not accepting that voltage (dud bin), and without higher voltage raising clock would also need to raise cas latency, which is like having no overclock, bandwith will rise, but if you have pc for gaming, you dont need more bandwith, only latency matters

 

[micwes8]

that depends on bin used
im looking at those sticks at corsair website
2666 c16 runs at 1.2v
3200 c16 runs at 1.35v ( costs 3dollars more)

1.2v sticks should run at 1.35v with higher clock probably fine, but there is slight chance of IC not accepting that voltage (dud bin), and without higher voltage raising clock would also need to raise cas latency, which is like having no overclock, bandwith will rise, but if you have pc for gaming, you dont need more bandwith, only latency matters

True that, i just needed it to run at 3200mhz baseline for now. That should be fast enough for gaming. I will be using the new build for gaming and other general tasks.

 

[kerberos_20]

True that, i just needed it to run at 3200mhz baseline for now. That should be fast enough for gaming. I will be using the new build for gaming and other general tasks.

you already have it?, if not here same sticks 3600 c18 for same price as those 2666 c16
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categ.../Vengeance-PRO-RGB-Black/p/CMW32GX4M2D3600C18

 

[micwes8]

that depends on bin used
im looking at those sticks at corsair website
2666 c16 runs at 1.2v
3200 c16 runs at 1.35v ( costs 3dollars more)

1.2v sticks should run at 1.35v with higher clock probably fine, but there is slight chance of IC not accepting that voltage (dud bin), and without higher voltage raising clock would also need to raise cas latency, which is like having no overclock, bandwith will rise, but if you have pc for gaming, you dont need more bandwith, only latency matters

What you think of micron and Samsung IC's on ram chips, do they perform well in general?

 

[micwes8]

you already have it?, if not here same sticks 3600 c18 for same price as those 2666 c16
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categ.../Vengeance-PRO-RGB-Black/p/CMW32GX4M2D3600C18

No i got the 2666mhz ram kit

 

[micwes8]

Sorry its been a while since i upgraded a gaming pc, i had the old gaming pc for 10 years so its been a long time since then

 

[kerberos_20]

What you think of micron and Samsung IC's on ram chips, do they perform well in general?

i have samsung b-die 3200 cl14 @ 1.35v, they can run 3733 cl16 @ 1.35v , can go also higher, 4000 c18 already tested, but as i have ryzen, infinity fabric tops out on mine (with sensible voltages) at 1866mhz,going higher with ram clocks drops infinity clock to half, which adds latency and looses any point on doing so
mine ic overclocks nicely...but they dont work with 1.4v or above, for some odd reason they produce ram errors no matter ram clock...guess i got old fabrication model, so cant go 3600 c14 for example q.q

 

[micwes8]

i have samsung b-die 3200 cl14 @ 1.35v, they can run 3733 cl16 @ 1.35v , can go also higher, 4000 c18 already tested, but as i have ryzen, infinity fabric tops out on mine (with sensible voltages) at 1866mhz,going higher with ram clocks drops infinity clock to half, which adds latency and looses any point on doing so
mine ic overclocks nicely...but they dont work with 1.4v or above, for some odd reason they produce ram errors no matter ram clock...guess i got old fabrication model, so cant go 3600 c14 for example q.q

3733mhz cl16 is quiet good for that overclock, i guess it also depends on the processor's memory controller, like you said yours taps out at 4000mhz.

 

[kerberos_20]

3733mhz cl16 is quiet good for that overclock, i guess it also depends on the processor's memory controller, like you said yours taps out at 4000mhz.

zen2 memory controller can run nice clocks, your should be able to run 3600+ aswell, cant say if that 2666 sticks could, that is something you have to find out
but i think 12th gen has weaker ddr4 controller than it had on 10th gen

 

[micwes8]

zen2 memory controller can run nice clocks, your should be able to run 3600+ aswell, cant say if that 2666 sticks could, that is something you have to find out
but i think 12th gen has weaker ddr4 controller than it had on 11th gen

There was 2 review articles i read and they used the very same ram kit with the same speed, so they tested it out to see how far these kits can overclock, i'm not lying, they overclocked those kits to 4333mhz and it was stable during their benchmarks, the CL was 20 i believe. I could not remember the voltages but it could have been much higher. That was nuts i tell you.

 

[micwes8]

They also used the same timings for the ram

 

[kerberos_20]

ram frequency yes, but memory controller will switch to gear2
10th gen could run 4000+ on gear1...since 11/12th gen its similar to ryzen, ~3600 on gear 1

 

[micwes8]

ram frequency yes, but memory controller will switch to gear2
10th gen could run 4000+ on gear1...since 11/12th gen its similar to ryzen, ~3600 on gear 1

Interesting, i never knew, guess i got a lot to catch up on information.

 

[Zerk2012]

when i oced mine 3200 cl14 to 3733 cl16, i saw noticeable improvement everywhere, user action went butter smooth

That is on a AMD platform not Intel.

 

[micwes8]

The specs from my old gaming pc was:

i7 3770
Asus Z77v -lx
16gb ddr3 overclocked to nearly 2400mhz ram
500gb ssd
1tb HDD
Windows 10
GTX 1070
630 watt Thermaltake bronze Power Supply
I kept the SSD,HDD and GTX 1070

This build ran solid with smooth fps on ultra settings for a long time but when i started running the latest AAA games, fps was not so smooth like before, i would get between 40 and 60 fps, sometimes it would dip into the 30's. So i decided to sell this build as the cpu could not keep up with the latest game technologies.