How long will threadripper or i9 will last.? For gaming.?
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photonboy
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You are unlikely to EVER need more than what a good 8-core CPU offers, barring some niche games.
(don't confuse that with the fact that an R7-1700 is a good 8-core and is not the best CPU for gaming in most cases. I'm talking about population of all eight cores/sixteen threads with actual game code which may NEVER happen aside from a small number of games)
The i7-7700K has only FOUR cores but remains the best gaming CPU for most games. Game code (due to DX12 and Vulkan) will become better threaded but outside of a few games the AMOUNT the code gets threaded will depend on existing PC's and game consoles.
For example, the PS5 in a couple years will at most have a Ryzen 6C/12T (so 6-core) CPU at maybe 3GHz, yet be optimized for 60FPS/dynamic 4K gaming and possibly 90FPS VR gaming.
There will be very little incentive for game developers to make games that require more than this amount of processing power, perhaps ever.
There is also some CPU CODE that can be converted over to GPU code, and the XBOX ONE X has dedicated hardware to bundle CPU draw calls (messages sent to the GPU) which make the CPU even more efficient (for DX12 and Vulkan).
(so we may see this hardware come to PC, though the CPU would probably be the logical place to put it... maybe IGNORE that for now)
There are also EFFICIENCY improvements that will come to DX12/Vulkan. For example, let's assume:
a) game POOKY can only use 40% of an 8C/16T CPU right now
b) Vulkan version of POOKY in ten years recreates game and uses 100% of same CPU's processing
c) Vulkan version uses 75% of the processing power (more efficient code)
3.33X
In other words, that's the same as using 100% of a CPU right now for POOKY that has a third of the processing power (2.5x for all threads X 1/.75 for efficiency conversion)
*Threadripper and the i9 are still not the best gaming CPU's, though they are generally very capable and new code will be optimized to reduce the latency issues some games have due to core jumping.
OTHER:
GPU's are also not progressing as fast as they used to, AND the amount of CPU processing power required to handle a GPU that is 2x better is not 100% more (double). Probably closer to 10% or less but I'm guessing.
OTHER:
Higher FPS gaming (i.e. shooters) isn't necessarily something extra cores help with either. There's still going to be a limit to how well game code can thread, and how high the FPS can go. I have a hard time imagining for example that you have a great eight-core CPU and get 150FPS but a TEN-CORE CPU of the exact same architecture will get a higher FPS.
(don't confuse that with the fact that an R7-1700 is a good 8-core and is not the best CPU for gaming in most cases. I'm talking about population of all eight cores/sixteen threads with actual game code which may NEVER happen aside from a small number of games)
The i7-7700K has only FOUR cores but remains the best gaming CPU for most games. Game code (due to DX12 and Vulkan) will become better threaded but outside of a few games the AMOUNT the code gets threaded will depend on existing PC's and game consoles.
For example, the PS5 in a couple years will at most have a Ryzen 6C/12T (so 6-core) CPU at maybe 3GHz, yet be optimized for 60FPS/dynamic 4K gaming and possibly 90FPS VR gaming.
There will be very little incentive for game developers to make games that require more than this amount of processing power, perhaps ever.
There is also some CPU CODE that can be converted over to GPU code, and the XBOX ONE X has dedicated hardware to bundle CPU draw calls (messages sent to the GPU) which make the CPU even more efficient (for DX12 and Vulkan).
(so we may see this hardware come to PC, though the CPU would probably be the logical place to put it... maybe IGNORE that for now)
There are also EFFICIENCY improvements that will come to DX12/Vulkan. For example, let's assume:
a) game POOKY can only use 40% of an 8C/16T CPU right now
b) Vulkan version of POOKY in ten years recreates game and uses 100% of same CPU's processing
c) Vulkan version uses 75% of the processing power (more efficient code)
3.33X
In other words, that's the same as using 100% of a CPU right now for POOKY that has a third of the processing power (2.5x for all threads X 1/.75 for efficiency conversion)
*Threadripper and the i9 are still not the best gaming CPU's, though they are generally very capable and new code will be optimized to reduce the latency issues some games have due to core jumping.
OTHER:
GPU's are also not progressing as fast as they used to, AND the amount of CPU processing power required to handle a GPU that is 2x better is not 100% more (double). Probably closer to 10% or less but I'm guessing.
OTHER:
Higher FPS gaming (i.e. shooters) isn't necessarily something extra cores help with either. There's still going to be a limit to how well game code can thread, and how high the FPS can go. I have a hard time imagining for example that you have a great eight-core CPU and get 150FPS but a TEN-CORE CPU of the exact same architecture will get a higher FPS.
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An easy way to look at is like this; would you rather spend $1500+ on a CPU + Motherboard combo and have it last 5 years or spend maybe $500-$600 on one and maybe have it last 3-4 years. Its all on if the price is justified enough for you. Personally myself no, I'd rather upgrade cheaper components more often than really expensive components a little less often.
- edit: In the foreseeable future quad core gaming rigs should last quite a bit longer, unlike dual core rigs which really are on the way out this year if not by the beginning of next year. But look how long we've gotten by with dual core rigs.
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mdd1963 :
One of the Threadrippers is only 8 cores (1900X), so, kind of ambiguous... 
Although I'd be surprised if 8 cores was not enough for gaming for at least 5 years...
Although I'd be surprised if 8 cores was not enough for gaming for at least 5 years...
Yeah me too, dual cores themselves are just finally starting going out the window, any 6 core or more will last quite a long time.
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mdd1963 :
Who needs a GPU every year?
Right? I can still max out most games with my 290X, and it was released in 2013. Bear in mind though its heavily overclocked but still.
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In 5 years, all you see today, or even announced will be obsolete.
Buy what you need today today.
Look out perhaps 1-2 years at most.
The key is probably the graphics cards you foresee using and the types of games you will play.
Games such as sims, mmo, and strategy tend to depend on the performance of a single master thread.
For that, Intel is likely better.
Multiplayer games with many participants are about the only ones that take advantage of many threads.
ryzen is ok there.
Fast action games depend most on the graphics card.
Today, the I7-7700K is probably the best gamer you can buy if you are using a strong graphics card like the GTX1080ti.
It does just as well as the 6 core I7-7800X in this test:
https://www.techspot.com/review/1445-core-i7-7800x-vs-7700k/
My guess is that the upcoming I5-8600K 6 core will be the best and longest lived gamer if it can OC well.
Buy what you need today today.
Look out perhaps 1-2 years at most.
The key is probably the graphics cards you foresee using and the types of games you will play.
Games such as sims, mmo, and strategy tend to depend on the performance of a single master thread.
For that, Intel is likely better.
Multiplayer games with many participants are about the only ones that take advantage of many threads.
ryzen is ok there.
Fast action games depend most on the graphics card.
Today, the I7-7700K is probably the best gamer you can buy if you are using a strong graphics card like the GTX1080ti.
It does just as well as the 6 core I7-7800X in this test:
https://www.techspot.com/review/1445-core-i7-7800x-vs-7700k/
My guess is that the upcoming I5-8600K 6 core will be the best and longest lived gamer if it can OC well.
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