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I am doing some heat calculations:

How many watts (power not heat!) does my Athlon 2400+ Thoroughbred require /
use at standard clock + volt settings? I think I read 60 watts somewhere,
but I don't recall where. I also know this info is on the AMD website
somewhere, but I haven't time to look right now and someone here probably
knows already!

Thanks.
 
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Listed as "Maximum Theoretical Power"

XP2400 TBred Low voltage model 65.3W
XP2400 TBred 68.3W
XP2400 Thorton 68.3W

Garry.


"Gareth Tuckwell" <ContactGT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I am doing some heat calculations:
>
> How many watts (power not heat!) does my Athlon 2400+ Thoroughbred require
/
> use at standard clock + volt settings? I think I read 60 watts somewhere,
> but I don't recall where. I also know this info is on the AMD website
> somewhere, but I haven't time to look right now and someone here probably
> knows already!
>
> Thanks.
>
>
 
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"Gareth Tuckwell" <ContactGT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I am doing some heat calculations:
>
> How many watts (power not heat!)

What do you mean by that? Power = Heat. Its the same thing.

Chip
 
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"iTsMeMa" <itsmema@mamma.com> wrote in message
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> Listed as "Maximum Theoretical Power"
>
> XP2400 TBred Low voltage model 65.3W
> XP2400 TBred 68.3W
> XP2400 Thorton 68.3W
>
> Garry.

Assuming you don't overclock, of course. In which case it can easily be
circa 100w

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> Thanks guys - I am currently undervolting my athlon (using standard
133x15)
> and I was trying to figure out if dropping the volts from 1.65 ro 1.5
would
> actually generate significantly less heat or not!

1.5/1.65=0.909, so you can figure on about an 11% reduction in heat.

> I figure that at 2000Mhz power usage is (as above) 68.3W, but dropping
from
> 1.65v to 1.5v reduces power intake to 56.4W - 17.5% less power, therefore
> 17.5% less heat generated. Does this sound reasonable?

It does. Not that the two numbers don't match up (11% vs. 17.5%) because
the 17.5% number obtained by comparing the theoretical maximum value to a
real-world value. Had you measured the real-world usage before and after,
the difference should be much closer to 11%.

If you really wanted lower power, you could go with a mobile Athlon XP,
where the max power draws can be as low as 35 watts, and the "power now"
featured (I believe there's at least one desktop board that supports it)
will keep actual draws much, much lower when not under load. However, it
does sound like you've done an outstanding job with what you've got!

steve
 
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"iTsMeMa" <itsmema@mamma.com> wrote in message
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> Regarding undervolting your CPU, I have been down that path. My XP2400 on
> a KT133A board was easy to undervolt to 1.5v. It did indeed reduce temps
> approx. 5 - 7 degrees C. However, I noticed occasionally a minor twitch if
> I was pushing the proc (with whatever program) With my current setup
> (K7V88 and XP2400) undervolting - without mod - is not possible. Just had
> to learn to live with temps 2 - 3 degrees higher. :}

I have actually just realised I have been running it at 1.475v for several
days now, of course, as soon as I posted that message it crashed!!
Coincidence? Maybe!

I must say though - the hardware monitor (windows) was reporting 1.503v at a
BIOS setting of 1.475v. Anyone know why the hardware monitor (motherboard
manufacturer software) reports a higher voltage than I set in the BIOS (same
for all voltages)? The other voltages 12v, 3v, 5v etc are not absolutely
spot on either, but I know power supplies have tolerance levels, but I would
expect the CPU voltage would to run at what it is set in the BIOS?? Anyone
notice this?
 
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"Gareth Tuckwell" <ContactGT@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "iTsMeMa" <itsmema@mamma.com> wrote in message
> news:C6qdnUva5cb3cvbcRVn-tQ@rogers.com...
>> Regarding undervolting your CPU, I have been down that path. My XP2400 on
>> a KT133A board was easy to undervolt to 1.5v. It did indeed reduce temps
>> approx. 5 - 7 degrees C. However, I noticed occasionally a minor twitch
>> if I was pushing the proc (with whatever program) With my current setup
>> (K7V88 and XP2400) undervolting - without mod - is not possible. Just had
>> to learn to live with temps 2 - 3 degrees higher. :}
>
> I have actually just realised I have been running it at 1.475v for several
> days now, of course, as soon as I posted that message it crashed!!
> Coincidence? Maybe!
>
> I must say though - the hardware monitor (windows) was reporting 1.503v at
> a BIOS setting of 1.475v. Anyone know why the hardware monitor
> (motherboard manufacturer software) reports a higher voltage than I set in
> the BIOS (same for all voltages)? The other voltages 12v, 3v, 5v etc are
> not absolutely spot on either, but I know power supplies have tolerance
> levels, but I would expect the CPU voltage would to run at what it is set
> in the BIOS?? Anyone notice this?
>

Yes, its very common. The calibration of the temperature monitoring chips -
and how they interact with the monitoring software - can be pretty poor.
The bios is perhaps better, but not much. The only real way to be sure is
to get out your voltmeter. If the 3.3v, 5v and 12v rails look right, you
can be fairly sure the others will be OK too.

Just as an aside, I ran my old Barton 3200+ at 1.2v at 11x133MHz for a while
with a Thermalright Silent Boost heatsink with the fan unplugged. It ran no
probs at all. 1.1v caused instant Blue Screen of Death.

Chip
 
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"Steve Wolfe" <unt@see-signature.com> wrote in message
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>> Thanks guys - I am currently undervolting my athlon (using standard
> 133x15)
>> and I was trying to figure out if dropping the volts from 1.65 ro 1.5
> would
>> actually generate significantly less heat or not!
>
> 1.5/1.65=0.909, so you can figure on about an 11% reduction in heat.

I would think it would be more than 11%. For the purposes of heat
dissipation we can consider the CPU to be a resistive load. And since P =
V**2/R, a reduction from 1.65 to 1.5 will yield a 1.5**2/1.65**2 reduction
in heat. Which is 17.4% Of course the CPU is not purely resistive, but
this is still a good approximation.

>> I figure that at 2000Mhz power usage is (as above) 68.3W, but dropping
> from
>> 1.65v to 1.5v reduces power intake to 56.4W - 17.5% less power, therefore
>> 17.5% less heat generated. Does this sound reasonable?
>
> It does. Not that the two numbers don't match up (11% vs. 17.5%) because
> the 17.5% number obtained by comparing the theoretical maximum value to a
> real-world value. Had you measured the real-world usage before and after,
> the difference should be much closer to 11%.

Or 17.4% in fact.

> If you really wanted lower power, you could go with a mobile Athlon XP,
> where the max power draws can be as low as 35 watts, and the "power now"
> featured (I believe there's at least one desktop board that supports it)
> will keep actual draws much, much lower when not under load. However, it
> does sound like you've done an outstanding job with what you've got!

The mobiles are good chips, but they only use less power because they run at
lower voltage, and you can always run a normal XP at lower voltage too. As
I said in another post, I ran a Barton 3200+ at 1500MHz at only 1.2v with no
heatsink fan for a couple of months without problem.

Chip
 
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"Ed Light" <nobody@nobody.there> wrote in message
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> Just download cpuheat.
>
> http://www.cpuheat.wz.cz/html/CPUMSR_main.htm

Read that page very briefly (will spend longer tomorrow) + it looks a bit
technical - should a relative novice dabble in CPU register settings + such.
Could I do any permanent damage by using this software??