How much are GTX 580's worth?
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Wrong, you'd get more than that.
Reference 772MHz 1.5GB 580s are worth about $100 to $150, somewhat better models a little more
(783 to 797MHz), but 3GB 580s will go for between $150 and $250 depending on the model (low end
is Palit 783MHz, high-end is MSI LS). The key is to know your market: a 580 is only half the speed of
a newer card for 3D, but it's still damn good for CUDA in apps such as After Effects. Two 580s is faster
than a Titan Black for CUDA in AE. If you have 3GB 580s, they are particularly good for AE/CUDA (my
system has four MSI 3GB 580 LXs). So look for video app selling sites, that sort of thing, highlight their
CUDA potential.
Ian.
Reference 772MHz 1.5GB 580s are worth about $100 to $150, somewhat better models a little more
(783 to 797MHz), but 3GB 580s will go for between $150 and $250 depending on the model (low end
is Palit 783MHz, high-end is MSI LS). The key is to know your market: a 580 is only half the speed of
a newer card for 3D, but it's still damn good for CUDA in apps such as After Effects. Two 580s is faster
than a Titan Black for CUDA in AE. If you have 3GB 580s, they are particularly good for AE/CUDA (my
system has four MSI 3GB 580 LXs). So look for video app selling sites, that sort of thing, highlight their
CUDA potential.
Ian.
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I'm in the exact same situation as I have 2 580GTX myself, I chose to just keep mine for backups just in case because in times past once I got rid of them something happened and I needed them and they were gone.
If you are determined to sell them, they're used, you could fairly ask $100 for them, but you'll more than likely only get maybe $75, so to me it wasn't worth getting rid of them and I chose to keep them.
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Agreed, That's why I suggested he just keep them for a backup or another option is other machine upgrades if he has any friends or family that could benefit from them.
From my experience as long as it's there shelved, nothing seems to go wrong graphics wise, because you have a backup!
Things love to break on you, when you don't have a backup!
My little philosophy! or 2 cents!
Anyway it kinda sucks to get a 20% return off a total $1,000 dollar investment, and a 10% is even worse.
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People saying $50 are just looking at eBay, which has nothing to do with an item's inherant value.
580s have considerably more value as excellent CUDA cards, which bares NO relation to their
3D gaming performance. Aim at the right market, they'll go for $150+ each easily. I've just sold
several for more each, and a 3GB for $300. Two 580s are faster than a Titan for CUDA, which means
it's a much cheaper solution for someone building an After Effects system, eg. solo professionals on
a tight budget.
I wish people would stop judging things based on eBay, that's just utter nonsense.
Ian.
580s have considerably more value as excellent CUDA cards, which bares NO relation to their
3D gaming performance. Aim at the right market, they'll go for $150+ each easily. I've just sold
several for more each, and a 3GB for $300. Two 580s are faster than a Titan for CUDA, which means
it's a much cheaper solution for someone building an After Effects system, eg. solo professionals on
a tight budget.
I wish people would stop judging things based on eBay, that's just utter nonsense.
Ian.
mapesdhs
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ROFL!! Blows my mind that people just assume eBay is the be-all and
end-all of 2nd hand selling. What a joke... 😀 It's just one site;
there are hundreds of potential places to sell on the net; eBay is
just one of them. They key to getting a good sale is to aim at the
right market. eBay is *the* worst place to do that, it's a blind shot
in the dark when it comes to attracting the right buyer to get the
best possible sale.
Auctions on eBay are not 'prices', they're merely winning bids, while
fixed priced listings for new items from commercial sellers tend to be
overpriced. Suggesting that what an item sells for via auction somehow
denotes its inherant value is just ludicrous. Any auction is subject
to the massive vagueries of who happens to see the listing, who is
able to bid at the time, the time of day (for buyers, best time is
mid-morning and mid- afternoon when many potential rival bidders are
at work; for sellers, these would be the worst ending times for
listings), and there are loads of entities, both personal &
professional, who either do not use eBay or are not allowed to. I sell
items to a vast range of global companies for good amounts, none of
which are permitted to use eBay.
ebay is not and never will be an _objective_ measure of an item's
value; to suggest otherwise it just bizarre, and very misleading to
someone who is asking how much something is worth. An item is only
ever worth what someone is willing to pay. All you're doing is telling
the OP how much a 580 might be worth on _eBay_ (which biases the buyer
pool way down the scale), but that's NOT what the guy asked, so stop
giving him bad advice and be a bit more aware that there are much
wider markets out there for computer parts than just boring ebay. As I
just said, I sold two standard 580s recently for about $170 each,
because I know they are very highly valued as low-cost CUDA cards for
After Effects, and I'm about to sell a 3GB 580 for about $250. If the
OP wants to maximise his return, that's the market to target, not low-
brow eBay. There are dozens of sites dedicated to
imaging/effects/video, such as creativecow.net, and most of them have
marketplaces. To the OP, take some time to explore these sites, see
what's out there. Otherwise, you're just throwing away at least $200.
I mean ye gods, if I only used ebay to sell the SGI stuff I mainly
deal with, I couldn't get 10% of the amounts I can sell things for. 😀
Ian.
end-all of 2nd hand selling. What a joke... 😀 It's just one site;
there are hundreds of potential places to sell on the net; eBay is
just one of them. They key to getting a good sale is to aim at the
right market. eBay is *the* worst place to do that, it's a blind shot
in the dark when it comes to attracting the right buyer to get the
best possible sale.
Auctions on eBay are not 'prices', they're merely winning bids, while
fixed priced listings for new items from commercial sellers tend to be
overpriced. Suggesting that what an item sells for via auction somehow
denotes its inherant value is just ludicrous. Any auction is subject
to the massive vagueries of who happens to see the listing, who is
able to bid at the time, the time of day (for buyers, best time is
mid-morning and mid- afternoon when many potential rival bidders are
at work; for sellers, these would be the worst ending times for
listings), and there are loads of entities, both personal &
professional, who either do not use eBay or are not allowed to. I sell
items to a vast range of global companies for good amounts, none of
which are permitted to use eBay.
ebay is not and never will be an _objective_ measure of an item's
value; to suggest otherwise it just bizarre, and very misleading to
someone who is asking how much something is worth. An item is only
ever worth what someone is willing to pay. All you're doing is telling
the OP how much a 580 might be worth on _eBay_ (which biases the buyer
pool way down the scale), but that's NOT what the guy asked, so stop
giving him bad advice and be a bit more aware that there are much
wider markets out there for computer parts than just boring ebay. As I
just said, I sold two standard 580s recently for about $170 each,
because I know they are very highly valued as low-cost CUDA cards for
After Effects, and I'm about to sell a 3GB 580 for about $250. If the
OP wants to maximise his return, that's the market to target, not low-
brow eBay. There are dozens of sites dedicated to
imaging/effects/video, such as creativecow.net, and most of them have
marketplaces. To the OP, take some time to explore these sites, see
what's out there. Otherwise, you're just throwing away at least $200.
I mean ye gods, if I only used ebay to sell the SGI stuff I mainly
deal with, I couldn't get 10% of the amounts I can sell things for. 😀
Ian.
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The 6GB 780 is a bit pointless IMO. Reviews show no useful performance gain vs. 3GB 780s,
and for those situations where one can really strain the VRAM (very high-res/detail @ 4K),
the raw power of a 780 just isn't enough anyway; indeed, even two might be a stretch -
check 4K reviews of 780 Ti SLI, the gain of 780 Ti SLI over 780 SLI at 4K is often enough
to make all the difference between smooth and a bit choppy, though in some cases the
gap can be surprisingly narrow (very much depends on the game).
Thus, if you're playing at 2560x1440 or less, you really don't need more than 3 or 4GB,
in which case you're better off with a good 780 Ti, which is quite a bit quicker than a
780 (and as so often happens, oc'd 780 Tis are now cheaper than reference cards),
though at standard 1920x1080 even a single 780 should give good frame rates for
most games. Personally I'd get a 780 Ti if I could, fit a 2nd one later if I wanted some
extra speed (the release of Maxwell should force 780 Ti prices down, suddenly
making SLI setups more affordable for those who only have a single card).
As to whether you have enough for a 780 Ti, I don't know - USD/UKP rates are
going a bit whacko atm, so it's harder to judge these things than it was a few
months ago, but have a look around, might be some deals to be had.
To be fair btw, AMD's 290X *is* fast, and cards with proper cooling are good, but I
still don't like AMD's drivers (benchmarked my first 7970 last week, some peculiar
oddities when running tests, eg. DX error after failing to lock a fullscreen mode,
that sort of thing). They do have a natural VRAM advantage (4GB instead of
3GB), but again this only shows up in very high-res/detail scenarios.
Atm the only thing sillier than buying a 6GB 780 is buying an 8GB 290X or whatever...
So what resolution is your monitor? Any plans to change it in the near future?
If you're gaming at 2560x1440 or less, get a single 3GB 780 or 780 Ti (the latter if
affordable), add a 2nd later after Maxwell is released for more speed if needed,
assuming your mbd supports SLI of course.
Ian.
PS. Watchout for reviews which don't use systems that have enough CPU power to drive
such powerful cards, these reviews end up introducing CPU bottlenecks that shows card
configs closer together than they would otherwise be if used in a better system.
and for those situations where one can really strain the VRAM (very high-res/detail @ 4K),
the raw power of a 780 just isn't enough anyway; indeed, even two might be a stretch -
check 4K reviews of 780 Ti SLI, the gain of 780 Ti SLI over 780 SLI at 4K is often enough
to make all the difference between smooth and a bit choppy, though in some cases the
gap can be surprisingly narrow (very much depends on the game).
Thus, if you're playing at 2560x1440 or less, you really don't need more than 3 or 4GB,
in which case you're better off with a good 780 Ti, which is quite a bit quicker than a
780 (and as so often happens, oc'd 780 Tis are now cheaper than reference cards),
though at standard 1920x1080 even a single 780 should give good frame rates for
most games. Personally I'd get a 780 Ti if I could, fit a 2nd one later if I wanted some
extra speed (the release of Maxwell should force 780 Ti prices down, suddenly
making SLI setups more affordable for those who only have a single card).
As to whether you have enough for a 780 Ti, I don't know - USD/UKP rates are
going a bit whacko atm, so it's harder to judge these things than it was a few
months ago, but have a look around, might be some deals to be had.
To be fair btw, AMD's 290X *is* fast, and cards with proper cooling are good, but I
still don't like AMD's drivers (benchmarked my first 7970 last week, some peculiar
oddities when running tests, eg. DX error after failing to lock a fullscreen mode,
that sort of thing). They do have a natural VRAM advantage (4GB instead of
3GB), but again this only shows up in very high-res/detail scenarios.
Atm the only thing sillier than buying a 6GB 780 is buying an 8GB 290X or whatever...
So what resolution is your monitor? Any plans to change it in the near future?
If you're gaming at 2560x1440 or less, get a single 3GB 780 or 780 Ti (the latter if
affordable), add a 2nd later after Maxwell is released for more speed if needed,
assuming your mbd supports SLI of course.
Ian.
PS. Watchout for reviews which don't use systems that have enough CPU power to drive
such powerful cards, these reviews end up introducing CPU bottlenecks that shows card
configs closer together than they would otherwise be if used in a better system.
I play at 1920x1080 120 Hz. Sometimes with 3D Vision enabled. The main reason I want 6GB is because Hard Forum's review on Watch Dogs found smoother gameplay. On Ultra 1080P, the game uses 3.4 GB of VRAM. Future games are also going to be requiring more VRAM. Maybe even GTA V.
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Ah ha! There you ga ya see, very much game-dependent as I say. 😀 Well in that case go for it. 8)
Reminds me of heavily modded Skyrim, that can use more than 3GB. One guy on the overclock.net
submit-your-best-pics thread has a system with four Titans...
Good luck! Do post back with some rough performance numbers if you can once you upgrade,
and it'd be interesting to know what you observe re RAM usage in Afterburner, see if the 6GB
choice was worthwhile (I hope so).
Ian.
Reminds me of heavily modded Skyrim, that can use more than 3GB. One guy on the overclock.net
submit-your-best-pics thread has a system with four Titans...
Good luck! Do post back with some rough performance numbers if you can once you upgrade,
and it'd be interesting to know what you observe re RAM usage in Afterburner, see if the 6GB
choice was worthwhile (I hope so).
Ian.
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I had a look at a typical seller site here in the UK; the EVGA and ASUS models are in stock,
but the MSI model is listed as Pre-order. So there are some available, but I guess not all.
And it looks like the core clocks vary quite a bit; the unavailable MSI is 954MHz, while the
EVGA is 967MHz and the ASUS is 889MHz.
Ian.
but the MSI model is listed as Pre-order. So there are some available, but I guess not all.
And it looks like the core clocks vary quite a bit; the unavailable MSI is 954MHz, while the
EVGA is 967MHz and the ASUS is 889MHz.
Ian.
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jewie27 writes:
> What UK sites do you shop on for graphics cards? ...
I tend to use scan.co.uk for initial general checking, and then Google around for
best pricing, typically buying from Scan, Aria, CCL, Ballicom, Novatech, ebuyer,
Kikatek, Amazon and a few others, but TBH it's rare that I buy a new card. Last
time I did that it was for a GTX 460 V2.
> ... Will they ship to America?
Varies by company I expect, but really I'd have thought you ought to be able
to get better pricing locally within the US, especially given the stretched exchange
rate atm, shipping, possible import charges, etc. I'm not overly familiar with the
range of typical US sellers most people use, but of course names like newegg
appear all the time in forums.
Ian.
> What UK sites do you shop on for graphics cards? ...
I tend to use scan.co.uk for initial general checking, and then Google around for
best pricing, typically buying from Scan, Aria, CCL, Ballicom, Novatech, ebuyer,
Kikatek, Amazon and a few others, but TBH it's rare that I buy a new card. Last
time I did that it was for a GTX 460 V2.
> ... Will they ship to America?
Varies by company I expect, but really I'd have thought you ought to be able
to get better pricing locally within the US, especially given the stretched exchange
rate atm, shipping, possible import charges, etc. I'm not overly familiar with the
range of typical US sellers most people use, but of course names like newegg
appear all the time in forums.
Ian.
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Quick followup...
I sold my two gaming rig's reference Palit GTX 580 3GB cards to a movie company for 175 UKP each,
ie. 350 UKP total (approx. $570), replaced them with an EVGA GTX 980 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0
(1266MHz core, 1367MHz boost). 50% faster than two 580s SLI, and the more complex the load,
the bigger the margin (80% quicker for the Firestrike Ultra Combined test). Almost no noise now,
much less power used, less heat, and a free slot for future SLI. Best part, I originally bought the
580s for 270, so I made a profit of 80 on them, and the upgrade only cost 110. 😎
Here are some 3DMark comparisons between 580 SLI and my single 980, and note these 580s
(MSI LX, 832MHz core) are better than the cards my gaming system had before (797MHz):
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/8928317/3dm11/8955302
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/8233170/3dm11/8955326
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/2018739/fs/3206800
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/3166523/fs/3206810
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/3166535/fs/3206831
Ian.
I sold my two gaming rig's reference Palit GTX 580 3GB cards to a movie company for 175 UKP each,
ie. 350 UKP total (approx. $570), replaced them with an EVGA GTX 980 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0
(1266MHz core, 1367MHz boost). 50% faster than two 580s SLI, and the more complex the load,
the bigger the margin (80% quicker for the Firestrike Ultra Combined test). Almost no noise now,
much less power used, less heat, and a free slot for future SLI. Best part, I originally bought the
580s for 270, so I made a profit of 80 on them, and the upgrade only cost 110. 😎
Here are some 3DMark comparisons between 580 SLI and my single 980, and note these 580s
(MSI LX, 832MHz core) are better than the cards my gaming system had before (797MHz):
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/8928317/3dm11/8955302
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/8233170/3dm11/8955326
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/2018739/fs/3206800
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/3166523/fs/3206810
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/3166535/fs/3206831
Ian.
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